2% ...

[Irvine511]

... of African-Americans approve of Bush.

by far, in the minds of african-americans polled, worst. president. ever.

and look at these other disasterous poll numbers:

Bush popularity keeps dropping
13/10/2005 08:11 - (SA)

Washington - Support for the majority Republican party in the United States is sagging as President George W. Bush's popularity continues to slide, according to a poll released on Wednesday.

A plurality of Americans, 48%, said they would prefer the Democrats to control Congress compared to 39% who want the Republicans in power, said the poll commissioned by United States television channel NBC and the Wall Street Journal.

The gap between the two parties was the largest recorded since the NBC/Journal poll started asking the question 11 years ago.

The Republicans hold a majority in both houses of Congress and face mid-term elections next year amid growing public concern over the war in Iraq and high energy prices.

The poll showed Bush's approval ratings dropping to 39%, the lowest of his presidency in the NBC/Journal surveys. Other polls have shown a similar decline with Bush's ratings falling below the 40% threshold in recent weeks.

Anxious about Bush's plunging poll numbers, Republicans in Congress have begun to break ranks and defied the White House on important issues.

The poll also revealed overwhelming opposition to Bush among African-Americans. Only two percent said they approved of his performance as president, the lowest level ever recorded in that category, NBC television reported.

According to the survey, US voters are anxious about rising gas and energy costs, with a majority saying they expected prices to increase further.

Investigations of prominent Republican lawmakers also appear to pose a threat for Bush's party.

Sixty-five percent said charges against Bush ally and former majority leader of the House of Representatives, Tom DeLay, suggested potential illegal activity.

A majority of 57% said an investigation into possible insider trading by the majority leader in the Senate, Bill Frist, indicated possible wrongdoing.

The poll, based on interviews with 807 adults, was conducted between October 8 and October 10 and had a margin of error of 3.4 percentage points.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1816160,00.html

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

shocking

 

[indra]

I'm surprised it's that high.

 

[U2Girl1978]

That's a really significant drop.

 

[financeguy]

I'm surprised it's that high.

Maybe some of Condi's relations were included in the sample, thus producing a distorted result.

 

[odowdpa]

you guys are hilarious. i see the same couple of people talking about the same subj every day. i truly believe you enter bush's name into google and find the worst story you can find and post it. we get it, you dislike him. does it make you feel better to rag on the president? because thats all you do. channel your rage into something good...go make a difference.

 

[unosdostres14]

channel your rage into something good...go make a difference.

Hmm...make a difference. So if I didn't like Bush, making a difference would mean trying to convince potential swing voters to vote against him/the Republican party in future elections.

Now let's brainstorm ideas for how we can do this:

OOh ooh...i got one! Find a forum that deals with politics and make threads that have information that could shape people's political views.

 

[phanan]

You gotta love polls. I can't stand Bush, either, but obviously polls don't mean much when he gets re-elected. And since he isn't running again, it doesn't really matter what people think anymore. The only thing it does is possibly affect how the Republican party will do in the midterm elections next year, but that's a year from now.

 

[Se7en]

everyone knows that the only poll that matters was the 2004 election. the american people gave president bush a mandate. if the country really felt so anti-bush surely they would have voted another candidate into office.

 

[odowdpa]

thats great, but you forgot to read my opening line, its the same couple of people talking about it. you're not making a difference. go out onto the streets and say what you want instead of telling your three best internet friends.

its ok to say your opinion, but its so one-sided all the time. take a look at the dem side once in a while and write something similar. oh, but you would never do that because you don't want the landslide of swing voters hanging out at a u2 website to read that.

so you don't like Bush, fine, but go make a difference like I said. I'll listen to you speak if you come down here to Times Sq. or better yet Union Sq.

This is when you say, 'but there is so much to rag on.' im just guessing the predictable answer.

 

[MaxFisher]

thats great, but you forgot to read my opening line, its the same couple of people talking about it. you're not making a difference. go out onto the streets and say what you want instead of telling your three best internet friends.

Good point.

Most of the anti-bush rhetoric on this board ammounts to nothing more than preaching to the choir.

 

[Irvine511]

thats great, but you forgot to read my opening line, its the same couple of people talking about it. you're not making a difference. go out onto the streets and say what you want instead of telling your three best internet friends.

its ok to say your opinion, but its so one-sided all the time. take a look at the dem side once in a while and write something similar. oh, but you would never do that because you don't want the landslide of swing voters hanging out at a u2 website to read that.

so you don't like Bush, fine, but go make a difference like I said. I'll listen to you speak if you come down here to Times Sq. or better yet Union Sq.

This is when you say, 'but there is so much to rag on.' im just guessing the predictable answer.

you should pay more attention to what goes on in here.

and if you find it so one-sided, fight back.

and, no, i didn't google the worst story -- this 2% is a *big* deal, historical even, and is in all the major blogs today.

perhaps if you knew more about politics you'd be able to place this into a deeper, more comprehensive context and not dismiss it as simple negativity?

 

[odowdpa]

thats just it, my friend. thats all you write about is negativity. please cast that light back on yourself. you seemingly search for negative Bush stories and post them on this board and talk about it. Who is being negative?

Funny, I don't ever see you writing or posting anything positive? Has Bush ever done anything positive in your opinion? I am willing to bet you think he has.

I challenge you to find a positive story about Bush and let's have that conversation.

 

[Judah]

I'm going to search for "positive" Bush stories, right now...will come back if I find one.

 

[odowdpa]

haha, the predictable response.

you have no idea how happy i am to have read that response. just cements things.

 

[Dismantled]

thats just it, my friend. thats all you write about is negativity. please cast that light back on yourself. you seemingly search for negative Bush stories and post them on this board and talk about it. Who is being negative?

Funny, I don't ever see you writing or posting anything positive? Has Bush ever done anything positive in your opinion? I am willing to bet you think he has.

I challenge you to find a positive story about Bush and let's have that conversation.

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

He's good to his Mother his feet don't smell?

I honestly don't think Irvine has devised some conspiracy to constantly post negative stories about President Bush. No one is stopping anyone from posting positive stories/articles/whatever about him.

 

[verte76]

Some people in the press are saying that Bush could turn into a lame duck if these numbers stay the same for any length of time.

 

[Irvine511]

thats just it, my friend. thats all you write about is negativity. please cast that light back on yourself. you seemingly search for negative Bush stories and post them on this board and talk about it. Who is being negative?

Funny, I don't ever see you writing or posting anything positive? Has Bush ever done anything positive in your opinion? I am willing to bet you think he has.

I challenge you to find a positive story about Bush and let's have that conversation.

yes, you're right, that's all i do. i just look for bad things to say about Bush.

it's not that i come across things that are interesting and relevant and about Bush and the fact that his administration is currenlty in crisis -- and that's not an opinion, btw, if you were paying any attention, you'd know that -- and i write many things about many different subjects, it just so happens that, no, i don't like bush, and, yes, i don't think he's done anything that i can think of off the top of my head that has been positive.

wait, i did like the fact that he refused to talk about his cocaine use in the 2000 election. i don't care about past drug use by politicians. i was glad he didn't engage in that debate.

i also like the fact that he gets the idea that islamofascists are not freedom fighters or malcontents with socialist dreams; they are murderers, and must be defeated.

but he's fucked that up. big time. embarassed all of us and made us less safe.

i also supported the invasion of Afghanistan.

perhaps you could also look at it this way: Bush has no interest in being my president. he doesn't need my vote, and he knows he's not going to get it. so he doesn't even bother doing something, anything, that would appeal to an educated gay East Coast Corridor urbanite who's extensively traveled.

i am also much, much more likely to be killed in a future terrorist attack than ANYONE who lives in a state that voted for him. so it's not really my safety he's concerned with; it's looking like a big dick swinging cowboy to his constituents.

so fuck him.

i really do think he is destroying the country, and i could list how in a million-and-one ways, just starting with his fiscal insatnity, to his blurring of distinction between church and state, to his basic anti-intellectual attitudes, to his facilitation of the corporate take-over of democracy, to his POLICY of torturing detainees and prisoners of war.

as someone who has spent lots of time abroad, defending the US and it's policies and culture, he's done the one thing i thought never possible: because of Bush, i am now embarrased to be an American.

but you seem to have already made up your mind, and instead of defending bush, or even talking about the article and poll numbers, you attack the messengers.

 

[nbcrusader]

you guys are hilarious. i see the same couple of people talking about the same subj every day. i truly believe you enter bush's name into google and find the worst story you can find and post it. we get it, you dislike him. does it make you feel better to rag on the president? because thats all you do. channel your rage into something good...go make a difference.

That is why I posted the Pat Robertson article yesterday. Just to see the reaction.

 

[Dismantled]

I'm not embarressed.

 

[odowdpa]

neither am I.

 

[Dismantled]

 

[Irvine511]

i mean this as a serious question: do you get out of the country much?

 

[odowdpa]

I am a dual-citizen with Ireland and happen to live in a diverse city.

Yourself?

 

[Dismantled]

i mean this as a serious question: do you get out of the country much?

What is that suppose to mean? And for your info the answer is yes. Am I suppose to be embarressed that I am an American!? Well, I am not...I love my country, thanks for asking.

 

[financeguy]

I am a dual-citizen with Ireland and happen to live in a diverse city.

Yourself?

That's funny cos I was actually going to ask you if you have any Irish roots (cos in your profile it says you saw U2 in Cork)

Where are your Irish roots from do you mind me asking?

 

[odowdpa]

County Kerry

 

[financeguy]

Am I suppose to be embarressed that I am an American!? Well, I am not...I love my country, thanks for asking.

are the two mutually exclusively?

Howard Dean is from your state, isn't he? There is nothing Irvine has said in this thread that Dean hasn't said.

 

[joyfulgirl]

I thought this was going to be a discussion of 2% vs. whole milk in lattes because someone asked me about it this morning.

Anyway, to say that these polls are meaningless because people voted for him a year ago simply does not take into account all that he's fucked up since then. There are definitely many people who voted for him and now regret it.

And yes, I am embarrassed whenever I meet non-Americans (which is frequent in my work) who ask what the hell were the American people thinking when they re-elected him.