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Old 08-29-2007, 11:01 PM   #21
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Smoking kills, people have a right to kill themselves; make an argument for freedom, not against reality.
I have no problem with killing yourself. We all eat unhealthy food, or have unhealthy habits...

But if your habit is killing others then I do have a problem, and if it's something we can limit like second hand smoke then I see no problem with it...
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:02 PM   #22
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I don't get how people pick up smoking because it's such a difficult vice to pick up.
How is it difficult to pick up?
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:23 PM   #23
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How is it difficult to pick up?
I don't get it either in the sense that it's extemely expensive. I know in the US you don't have very high taxes on cigarettes, but here our taxes per pack exceed 70% so we're talking in the neighbourhood of $10/pack.

Given that smoking has really become a pasttime of lower and lower middle classes (those are the socio-economic groups experiencing the lowest reduction rates), how many people do you know who can afford $140-$280/week on cigarettes alone? That's insanity.
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:45 PM   #24
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Your right, they should be slashing those sin taxes, I mean smokers shuffle off their mortal coil quicker and earlier without collecting much return for a lifetime of taxes yet they get punished for it.
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Your right, they should be slashing those sin taxes, I mean smokers shuffle off their mortal coil quicker and earlier without collecting much return for a lifetime of taxes yet they get punished for it.
Yeah, right. And what do they cost the healthcare system before they "shuffle off"? I think you'd be surprised by the numbers.
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:59 PM   #26
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Hmmm, good point, probably should start putting more harmful materials in there.
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:01 AM   #27
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For every 100 year old who celebrates by lighting up, how many never make it to half that age because of smoking (or second hand smoke)? When the answer is zero then you might have a case.
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Old 08-30-2007, 11:38 PM   #28
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She doesn't inhale. That's the key part.
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Old 08-31-2007, 01:45 AM   #29
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What a sad thing to do on any birthday let alone on a 100th birthday.
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Old 08-31-2007, 06:28 PM   #30
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i've never known a smoker who didn't want to quit.


Can you count me as a friend?

A tobacco smoking friend?

*only in moderaration, of course



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>More butter....
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:49 PM   #31
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>More butter....
Maybe if we post enough exceptions it will become fact.

I know a man that survived a bullet to the head, so I really don't think bullets kill.
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Can you count me as a friend?

A tobacco smoking friend?

*only in moderaration, of course



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>More butter....


since i'm not near you, i can't smell the nicotine on your fingers and breath, but i can smell the insecurity in these posts.

you should quit. you'll feel better and live longer and not be so stinky.
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Old 09-02-2007, 10:22 AM   #33
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'This ain't a city, it's a gosh damned arms race.."

Ahem. I smoke. I personally get really tired of the non smokers lecturing the heck out of me every time I light one. I'm often tempted to say, "I smoke because you bother me."

I personally have no desire to live longer. For what purpose? Chances are good, that even if I didn't smoke, I'd die at about 68 at the latest, considering my family history of lovely colorectal and other lovely digestive tract issues.

But hey, if I quit smoking and live longer, I'll get to enjoy those things. :thumbsup: Brilliant!
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Old 09-06-2007, 08:14 AM   #34
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People who smoke are more likely to develop Alzheimer’s disease or dementia than nonsmokers or former smokers, according to a study in the current issue of “Neurology” magazine.

The study, conducted in the Netherlands, followed 7,000 people age 55 and older for an average of seven years.

During that time, 706 of the participants developed dementia. Smokers were 50 percent more likely to develop dementia than people who never smoked or quit before the study started.

A 2006 analysis of 19 similar studies reached the same conclusion, according to the March issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.

Those studies measured a combined 26,374 participants who were followed from two to 30 years.

Dr. Monique Breteler, the author of the recent study, said smoking increases the risk of disease in the brain’s blood vessels, increases oxidative stress which damages cells and can lead to hardened arteries.

Breteler said similar damage is seen in Alzheimer’s patients. She said oxidative stress can be eliminated by antioxidants, but “smokers have fewer antioxidants.”
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for her!

I say.....she's 100 years old.....she's a hellova lot older than alot of people and seen alot more than we'll probably see in our lives. Let her smoke!
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