10 years in prison for oral sex - Page 3

Harry Vest · 12-21-2006, 08:12 PM

LET'S HELP THIS KID OUT...ALL OF US!!!
It only takes a few seconds.
www.wilsonappeal.com

corianderstem · 12-21-2006, 08:43 PM

Points well noted, Harry Vest, but the judges and jury couldn't do anything about it because they don't create the laws, nor can they change them in the courtroom to suit their needs.

Varitek · 12-21-2006, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
What can be done in these cases according to american law? Can he appeal to a Federal Court?

I can´t imagine on what grounds though... ? Surely, SOMETHING could be done...??

I'm not a lawyer but I believe he could appeal all the way to the Supreme Court claiming the law is unconstitutional. Though the composition of the court has changed, they did throw out the Texas sodomy law a couple years ago.

And yeah, every country that is old (not old, like you had Romans settle your cities, but since the founding of your current Republic...so Germany for example is only just over 60) has this problem, the older the body of law the worse it gets. Voters and press reward legislators for passing laws, not repealing them, with the rare high profile exception. You'd think they could come up with a systematic fix - automatically review laws when they are x many years old or something.

Vincent Vega · 12-22-2006, 05:44 AM

Despite being just 60 years old, we have stupid laws as well

Hoepfully he can appeal before a higher court, but it sounds like he is one of those cases where you can't do much because the time he was sentenced the old law still was in power

yertle-the-turtle · 12-22-2006, 08:04 AM

In Singapore, there was a case a few years ago about this very same issue.

Apparently thanks to the legacy of British colonial law oral sex was still technically illegal in Singapore, and this bloke got charged for it.

The charges were dropped (or were clarified, I think) but he still got jail time though, for sex with a minor. Still, considering he was near 30 at the time I suppose he got what was coming to him.

Anyway there was a law review this year and a lot of the old colonial legacy kind of laws were scrapped so now it's OK to have oral sex (jeez, felt weird typing that). Unless you do it in public, of course.

Edit: Hang on! This is interesting reading about the case.
http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2004/yax-348.htm

Ormus · 12-22-2006, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chizip
btw they have already changed the law, but it was too late to help him

Except he could get pardoned by the governor or even the President.

But considering that both probably still live in the Stone Age and don't want to offend "Concerned Christofascists for America" or something of the sort, he'll probably stay in prison.

CTU2fan · 12-22-2006, 09:24 AM

Not sure if all the sodomy stuff is relevant, unless I'm missing something...I assume he'd get the same punishment if it was regular old sex. The issue is age of consent, right? If so I'm pretty sure all states have laws against sex with underage girls. If he's getting a stiffer penalty because it was oral sex then that seems unfair. Also, if the issue was oral sex, rather than age, shouldn't the girl be punished too?

Harry Vest · 12-24-2006, 05:37 PM

Let's keep going on this one. Everyone (especially AMERICAN CITIZENS) should go online to www.wilsonappeal.com and sign the petition. It's the least we can do for this poor guy. Geez.

U2FanPeter · 12-24-2006, 06:16 PM

5 questions:

1. Did they have intercourse?
2. Are here parents heavily involved with the prosecution?
3. Didn't R. Kelly do a very similar act - and is still alowed on MTV and tour the US arenas?
4. Was the video the only reason he got charged?
5. Where is the creating underage pornography charge?

I would have no problem if he got 10 years for #5.

DaveC · 12-24-2006, 07:49 PM

Season's Greetings to all my fellow Sodomites

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 12-24-2006, 09:44 PM

who taped this? was it video survalence? or was there someone standing there with a video camera?

U2Girl1978 · 12-24-2006, 10:12 PM

10 years is a bit extreme!

Gotta love the laws in this country.

jimmmm · 12-25-2006, 01:39 AM

That is unbelievable, I really can't find the words to do justice to how bad that makes me feel, he's only a kid himself, what kind of fucking drugs do judges take before they pass sentence!

Harry Vest · 12-26-2006, 07:50 PM

These "Judges" will suffer the same treatment (or worse) in the future - weather it is here or in another world altogether. Shame on these so called "keepers of the law"!!! True justice will prevail one day.

Liesje · 12-26-2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Harry Vest
These "Judges" will suffer the same treatment (or worse) in the future - weather it is here or in another world altogether. Shame on these so called "keepers of the law"!!! True justice will prevail one day.

Hey I'm in total agreement that the punishment is not befitting of the "crime" and the law needs to be changed (apparently has?), but you would honestly support a legal system where sentencing is completely open-ended for the judge to decide? Quite a dangerous precedent you're arguing for here, don't you think? And how is this ALL the judge's fault that s/he should be damned to hell? Didn't s/he admit that the mandatory sentence is outrageous?

A_Wanderer · 12-27-2006, 04:52 AM

Mandatory sentences like the ones that people demand whenever a paedophile gets off with a lenient sentence. Regardless a young mans life has been ruined.

MissMaCo · 12-27-2006, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chizip

In Georgia, up until 1998 having oral sex with your SPOUSE, was considered a crime that was punishable up to 20 years in prison. There are some crazy laws out there.

sorry but...

this is the funniest law ever passed!

that's just hilarious.

There's something I don't get here

For a crime to be punishable, it has to be found out, right?

Conclusion: better have oral sex in private

Doozer6I · 12-27-2006, 07:48 AM

Dutch Partygirl · 12-27-2006, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Irvine511

you Euros love that shit.

:sheesh:

Nice to see that nobody objected to this part of Irvine's post.... I do though...

the soul waits · 12-27-2006, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dutch Partygirl

Nice to see that nobody objected to this part of Irvine's post.... I do though...

You're not alone...

Funny how us "Euros" are so much more liberal when it comes to that "gay shit"

12-21-2006, 08:12 PM	#41
Harry Vest Refugee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 2,455 Local Time: 08:21 AM	LET'S HELP THIS KID OUT...ALL OF US!!! It only takes a few seconds. www.wilsonappeal.com __________________

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corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 06:21 AM	Points well noted, Harry Vest, but the judges and jury couldn't do anything about it because they don't create the laws, nor can they change them in the courtroom to suit their needs. __________________

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12-22-2006, 05:44 AM	#44
Vincent Vega Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 6,750 Local Time: 03:21 PM	Despite being just 60 years old, we have stupid laws as well Hoepfully he can appeal before a higher court, but it sounds like he is one of those cases where you can't do much because the time he was sentenced the old law still was in power

12-22-2006, 08:04 AM	#45
yertle-the-turtle ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: York, UK and Singapore Posts: 11,750 Local Time: 09:21 PM	In Singapore, there was a case a few years ago about this very same issue. Apparently thanks to the legacy of British colonial law oral sex was still technically illegal in Singapore, and this bloke got charged for it. The charges were dropped (or were clarified, I think) but he still got jail time though, for sex with a minor. Still, considering he was near 30 at the time I suppose he got what was coming to him. Anyway there was a law review this year and a lot of the old colonial legacy kind of laws were scrapped so now it's OK to have oral sex (jeez, felt weird typing that). Unless you do it in public, of course. Edit: Hang on! This is interesting reading about the case. http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2004/yax-348.htm

12-22-2006, 09:24 AM	#47
CTU2fan Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,366 Local Time: 09:21 AM	Not sure if all the sodomy stuff is relevant, unless I'm missing something...I assume he'd get the same punishment if it was regular old sex. The issue is age of consent, right? If so I'm pretty sure all states have laws against sex with underage girls. If he's getting a stiffer penalty because it was oral sex then that seems unfair. Also, if the issue was oral sex, rather than age, shouldn't the girl be punished too?

12-24-2006, 05:37 PM	#48
Harry Vest Refugee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 2,455 Local Time: 08:21 AM	Let's keep going on this one. Everyone (especially AMERICAN CITIZENS) should go online to www.wilsonappeal.com and sign the petition. It's the least we can do for this poor guy. Geez.

12-24-2006, 06:16 PM	#49
U2FanPeter Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 4,591 Local Time: 01:21 PM	5 questions: 1. Did they have intercourse? 2. Are here parents heavily involved with the prosecution? 3. Didn't R. Kelly do a very similar act - and is still alowed on MTV and tour the US arenas? 4. Was the video the only reason he got charged? 5. Where is the creating underage pornography charge? I would have no problem if he got 10 years for #5.

12-24-2006, 07:49 PM	#50
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the killerwhaletank Posts: 23,070 Local Time: 08:21 AM	Season's Greetings to all my fellow Sodomites

12-24-2006, 09:44 PM	#51
Headache in a Suitcase Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 75,118 Local Time: 08:21 AM	who taped this? was it video survalence? or was there someone standing there with a video camera?

12-24-2006, 10:12 PM	#52
U2Girl1978 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At the altar of the dark star Posts: 19,374 Local Time: 09:21 AM	10 years is a bit extreme! Gotta love the laws in this country.

12-25-2006, 01:39 AM	#53
jimmmm Refugee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: lincolnshire Posts: 1,223 Local Time: 01:21 PM	That is unbelievable, I really can't find the words to do justice to how bad that makes me feel, he's only a kid himself, what kind of fucking drugs do judges take before they pass sentence!

12-26-2006, 07:50 PM	#54
Harry Vest Refugee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 2,455 Local Time: 08:21 AM	These "Judges" will suffer the same treatment (or worse) in the future - weather it is here or in another world altogether. Shame on these so called "keepers of the law"!!! True justice will prevail one day.

12-27-2006, 07:48 AM	#58
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12-27-2006, 04:52 AM	#56
A_Wanderer ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The Wild West Posts: 12,518 Local Time: 11:21 PM	Mandatory sentences like the ones that people demand whenever a paedophile gets off with a lenient sentence. Regardless a young mans life has been ruined.