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Old 12-21-2006, 10:15 AM   #21
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^The law has nothing to do with George W. Bush, or his administration. If anything, people should be criticizing why on earth these stupid laws still exist!

That is sad though... much like the Rockefeller Drug Laws.
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Seems like it would be pretty easy to modify these laws to require an age difference of a few years.
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All the more ironic, considering he says he's from Bavaria, which is probably the most conservative state in Germany.
Please leave out the Germany, it's a shame.
Bavaria is so conservative, it even conserves better than formaldehyde.

I want to dissociate myself from Jacobus, sincerely.
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All the more ironic, considering he says he's from Bavaria, which is probably the most conservative state in Germany.
But the bier is sooooo good.
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hahahaha thats good. but seriously whats wrong with your nation?! many people worldwide still asking this question... imo your US society is a society based on hypocrisy. too many of religious zealots have too much power... and re-electing that stupid texas cowboy bush and his criminals for a 2nd period is on the same low level like our forefathers have done in germany electing the nazi party, bringin' on the bastard hitler and making the holocaust possible. your president george w. bush is the no.1 hypocrite of all. and you know it. he is a damned liar and he is a big disgrace, not only for the US but for the whole world.

ps: i don't like coca-cola or pepsi, i don't wear nike and who the f*** is fergie?

um, i strongly dislike George Bush. if you've ever read my posts, you'd know that. i think he's a fool, a liar, and a disgrace, but i also know that reality is far, far more complicated than you'd like it to be.

you also know very, very little about US society as your comments indicate. you've got a series of shallow statements that you've' blown up to be inconvertable truths and what that does is just make you look ignorant.

i'd never compare George Bush with Nazi Germany, nor would i ever hold you accountable for Nazi Germany. i find that offensive. i've spent plenty of time in Germany since 1990 and i know that German politcs and the German people are complex and sophistocated and i'd never presume to walk in and lecture people on their system of government, their leaders, the will of the German people, etc.

please remember that George Bush has won two elections by some of the smallest margins in history, especially for a 2nd term president. his approval ratings have been around 36% since 2004 and his party was booted from power in the 2006 elections.

the US is a very, very complicated place. 300m people live here. please don't stereotype us and try to look more closely at the reasons why the US does certain things as opposed to taking a single action and then adapting it to fit whatever stereotype you've decided to utilize.
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Sodomy has been illegal in a lot of states. Georgia was just one of them. Use your imagination, but it's not just oral sex. Basically it's anything other than "normal" sexual intercourse that is regarded as taboo. The is the US btw, so it's not really surprising. Some folks still wish it were 1955.
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hahahaha thats good. but seriously whats wrong with your nation?! many people worldwide still asking this question... imo your US society is a society based on hypocrisy. too many of religious zealots have too much power... and re-electing that stupid texas cowboy bush and his criminals for a 2nd period is on the same low level like our forefathers have done in germany electing the nazi party, bringin' on the bastard hitler and making the holocaust possible. your president george w. bush is the no.1 hypocrite of all. and you know it. he is a damned liar and he is a big disgrace, not only for the US but for the whole world.
Um.....GWB didn't write the Georgia rape statues, nor does he have any power in enforcing them. WTF are you even talking about? Obviously you have zero knowledge of criminal law and the court system in the US. If you want to compare GWB to the Nazi party, start your own thread. By all means, leave and start your own thread...
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I remember last year when a Judge in VT (I think) let a multiple offense Sex Offender off with just parole when he molested a young child repeatedly, admittedly he did this and got off.

And this young man gets 10 years for consensual sex? - you got to admit the US Judicial System works GREAT!!!
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What can be done in these cases according to american law? Can he appeal to a Federal Court?

I can´t imagine on what grounds though... ? Surely, SOMETHING could be done...??
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Sodomy has been illegal in a lot of states. Georgia was just one of them. Use your imagination, but it's not just oral sex. Basically it's anything other than "normal" sexual intercourse that is regarded as taboo. The is the US btw, so it's not really surprising. Some folks still wish it were 1955.


this is very true, though since Lawrence v Texas in 2003 all sodomy laws are now considered unconstitutional.

and if we are to go by biblical definitions of sodomy, it really does mean sex that has a purpose other than procreation.

so if you've had oral sex ... SODOMITE!
so if you've used birth control ... SODOMITE!
so if you've had lesbian sex ... SODOMITE!

pretty much all of us are sodomites!
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Okay so the judge and the jury "had to convict." Did the prosecution "have" to press charges? I can't help thinking that SOMEbody wanted this to happen.

I'm still waiting for some concrete confirmation as to whether the race of those involved, but one thing is for certain. If indeed the girl was white, you can be damn sure that race had everything to do with how this whole thing came down.

And this is in Georgia? Come on, now. . .
if they were really out to get him then they would have found him guilty for raping the intoxicated/nearly passed out 17 year old. but he was aquitted of that. unfortunately, the oral sex with the 15 year old was on the same tape and the law says it was a mandatory 10 years.

btw they have already changed the law, but it was too late to help him
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I remember last year when a Judge in VT (I think) let a multiple offense Sex Offender off with just parole when he molested a young child repeatedly, admittedly he did this and got off.

And this young man gets 10 years for consensual sex? - you got to admit the US Judicial System works GREAT!!!
Well, I don't agree with the statutes in this particular case, but lessening one statute because someone made a crazy judgment with another isn't a great approach...
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:58 AM   #33
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This is awful - most of my 15 year old friends have boyfriends around 17/18. And I'm pretty sure most of my friends have participated in more than oral sex with their 17 year old boyfriends, yet I don't see it as perverse.

With all the anti American stuff people are saying - I'm European, and this sort of crap happens in Europe too. Especially England - we have thousands of really backward laws that everyone knows are backward but no one does anything about. It isn't just the US.
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With all the anti American stuff people are saying - I'm European, and this sort of crap happens in Europe too. Especially England - we have thousands of really backward laws that everyone knows are backward but no one does anything about. It isn't just the US.

Thanks. This is just ONE incident that of course gets a lot of attention b/c of how ridiculous it is. It's not like we're sending teens off to prison on a daily basis for fooling around. It's the type of thing that you never realized existed until it comes up like this.
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With all the anti American stuff people are saying - I'm European, and this sort of crap happens in Europe too. Especially England - we have thousands of really backward laws that everyone knows are backward but no one does anything about. It isn't just the US.
It's a criminal offence to leave a fishing hole (in the ice) unguarded in Canada. How fitting, no?

It's also a criminal offence to "frighten the Queen."
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This is an age of consent case, and the girl was below that age. So the "consensual" in the article is legally incorrect. Perhaps they charged him as an adult on this.
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Perhaps the teen could work off his time as a soldier in Iraq. It'd be cheaper and we'd have one less "sodomite" on the continent.

(by the above defitinitions of sodomite, I guess I'm a member of the club)
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Gosh, that's extreme.
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This is simply OUTRAGEOUS and must be fought!!!
What do you mean the Judge and Jury thought the sentence was wrong but couldn't do anything about it???
WHY THE FUCK NOT???
What the hell does a judge do???
This whole thing just sucks. They've doomed this poor guy before he's even 18...and for what???
Sorry folks but you're country just SUCKS!!!
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