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Old 08-29-2006, 10:46 PM   #41
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All I can say is WOW! Michael is back!

I used to enjoy reading your analysis on ATYCLB and the runup to HTDAAB. I was wondering one time where you had gone.




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Old 08-29-2006, 10:54 PM   #42
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Haha, thanks BonoManiac....now I'm really beginning to feel the love in here!

I should add one more thing about Pop. When I say "reckless abandon", I don't want to be taken literally! I realize U2 know what they're doing, and I applaud them for their ambition in taking a step into the world of electronica infused rock. I almost think they took that album too seriously, however, (yes, even 'Miami'). Perhaps, then, it would have arrived with all the promise of the idea. But this is all my opinion... though it appears the band sort of feels the same way.
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:02 AM   #43
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No matter what the band does they will please 25% of their fans , 50% will be lukewarm and 25% will hate it.

Why? Because depending on what era touched each fan...all new material will be compared to that era

In short, every long time fan, subconciously or not, IS STUCK IN A MOMENT THAT THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF
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Old 08-30-2006, 11:32 AM   #44
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The 'somewhere much farther' that you speak of, for me, is if the songs on the Pop record sounded like they did on the Popmart tour. That's it. If 'Please' from Popmart was 'Please' on the record, if 'Mofo' from Popmart was 'Mofo on the record, if 'Last Night On Earth' from Popmart was 'Last Night On Earth' on the record, etc etc, the record would have been the single best record they have ever put out, imo. I've always felt that Pop was improved live much more so than any other record in U2's catalog(though Bomb gives it a run for its money in that regard...but whereas with Pop it's because the live performances were so amazing,
I agree. Although I think Pop got his mission accomplished (despite the band doesn't think so), Pop could've been even better than it is. The live versions and the single versions proved that it was just a question of time... Of months.
Only MoFo I love it how is is the album (I'm refering to namkcuR's examples) but a single version identical to the show opening wouldn't have been a bad idea...
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I agree. Although I think Pop got his mission accomplished (despite the band doesn't think so), Pop could've been even better than it is. The live versions and the single versions proved that it was just a question of time... Of months.
Only MoFo I love it how is is the album (I'm refering to namkcuR's examples) but a single version identical to the show opening wouldn't have been a bad idea...
This simply confirms why I don't think more time would have taken the album to its full potential (improved it, possibly...), as I actually much prefer the album versions of 'Gone', 'Please' and 'Staring at the Sun' than the single versions. The only single version that I (think) I like better is possibly 'If God Will Send His Angels', though it's really too close to say.

Sometimes I find - in the case of U2 songs anyway - that a live arrangement brought into the studio comes off as a little too grandeur. The single version of 'Gone' comes to mind.
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as I actually much prefer the album versions of 'Gone', 'Please' and 'Staring at the Sun' than the single versions.
Even Please???

Cos I think Please is the one song that is greatly improved on the single & esp. live versions!
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I used to like the single version more, back when I had hoped Pop sounded "more U2"...but now I feel they nailed it on the album. It has a sort of sparse soul to it, like an electronica hangover - a lost poet dissolusioned in the 21st century vibe...that I feel is lacking in the updated, cleaned up, "U2 sounding live" single.
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This simply confirms why I don't think more time would have taken the album to its full potential (improved it, possibly...), as I actually much prefer the album versions of 'Gone', 'Please' and 'Staring at the Sun' than the single versions. The only single version that I (think) I like better is possibly 'If God Will Send His Angels', though it's really too close to say.

Sometimes I find - in the case of U2 songs anyway - that a live arrangement brought into the studio comes off as a little too grandeur. The single version of 'Gone' comes to mind.
Well, more or less...
IFWSHA, Please and LNOE improved a lot in the single versions and in the live performances.
MoFo is great in both versions.
Gone too: the new mix improved and is good, but it's not the same than the album version...
But Discotheque and SATS went wrong with the remakes... The first one lost its techno influence the power of the orignal version and SATS with overproduction you can't almost listen the guitar riff and the electronic bits... it went just wrong and the album version was great...
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Aygo, yeah, it was a bit of mixed bag with the remixes and re-recordings. Kind of like the originals in that regard! Pop was supposed to be the kind of album that you couldn't pin down and sort out, as it turns out.

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Exactly. In the end, Pop IS Pop. Reaching for something, something grand, and stumbling at the finish line. Pretty much every song is about reaching out for something and not quite getting it. The whole album did that in the end. Perfect.

I also like the album version of Please. I'd take the guitar from the single/live, but leave the strings behind.
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