Would You Like The New Album To Be Experimental? Let's Take A Vote... - Page 2

NShaik · 05-21-2002, 06:35 PM

I don't personally think that U2 have ever been an experimental band. You listen to stuff they've done in the 90s, it may be unique and unusual, but I wouldn't call it experimental. I don't really think you can really call it commercial, because you mess around in a studio coming up with as many weird fucked up sounds that sound like they come from another place until the cows come home, but if your still using diatonics chords systems with barely any chromaticism, then I wouldn't call taht experimental. I'm sure a lto of people would disagree, but that's jsut how I feel.

Passengers was bordering on being experimental.

I think it would be interesting if U2 started exploring more diverse styles and musical devices. For example, if U2 started using quartertones in their music - hard to do on a guitar, but Edge could get one specially made. Or they could try some minimalism (getting close to that with Numb), some atonalism, or even Serialism. However, I don't think that that is what U2 fans would like to see U2 do. I think if they tried to stuff like that, it could be lost on their firmly established fan base.

Don't know people insist on calling Kid-A + Amnesiac experimental. Listening to Pablo Honey, there is so weird stuff on that. Kid-A and Amnesiac - there are some fairly experimental songs, like the National Anthem, Life in a Glass House, Packt Like Sardines in a Crushd Tin Box, Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors, In Limbo, but to quote Thom Yorke "Its not rocket science." These songs - they aren't doing anything that hasn't been done. Their just doing something that hasn't been done on a record that gets to Nunber one in the charts. And loads of the songs on their - they're no more experimental than half the stuff on OK computer. Morning Bell, for example, I might be Wrong, You and Whose Army, Pyramid Song, How to Disappear completely, Motion Picture Soundtrack.

I like U2 for what they have done - If I wanted them to go all atonal + minimalist, I would just listen to Minimalist music instead. That's not to say they shouldn't learn from what other people have done.

I think ATYCLB has been their most gut-less diluted record ever. That's not to say its their worst - there are some great tunes on their, and some really heavy, personal stuff on their (Kite, Peace on Earth), then there is some very trivial poppy stuff on it too (Elevation, Wild Honey). Don't get me wrong they're good tunes, and I like listening to them, and they work really well on the stage, but as an album it is definitely lacking character.

I think that if U2 did make that record to branch out into un un-tapped area of fans, and possibly win back some of the fans they lost in the 90s, they're in the position now where they've got the popularity, they've got the safety net, and they can afford to take risks. I think if they don't do something daring, they will become in danger of growing Stagnant. Re-invention has always been what U2 is about.

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lazyboy · 05-21-2002, 07:31 PM

Experimental rock please

I wouldn't say no to another Mofo anyway, mmmmmmmmoooooooofo.....

zooshadow · 05-21-2002, 07:34 PM

Yet another thoughtful well writen post by Michael Griffiths, Keep up the good work cowboy!

And i also agree with u experiment! That will prob mean more work for The edge but i think he can handle it...

elevatedmole · 05-21-2002, 07:34 PM

Definitely experimental.

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STING2 · 05-21-2002, 08:02 PM

What is experimental though? I disagree with many of the stereotypes that are thrown in about what album is and is not experimental. In my view the band experiments with every release. The band has always done what they want to do, and have the impulse to do more of what they want now since they are massivly rich. The temptation to do something for sales or to fit the times was much greater in the early 80s when the band had yet to make a dime off their efforts. They didn't then and they certainly do not now. As the Edge has has said recently, every U2 album is different. ATYCLB happens to be Edge's second favorite U2 album.

I hope the band will continue to create and record music in the way they have done for the past 10 albums. U2 has such a large fanbase now that no matter what album they put out next, it will be savaged by a certain portion of the fanbase. I feel that on ATYCLB the band did a lot of things they had never really done musically before. I hope the band will continue to experiment, just like on every album they have put out to date.

HeartlandGirl · 05-21-2002, 08:13 PM

Experiment.

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camiloj · 05-21-2002, 08:14 PM

I'd rather it not be experimental, if experimental means Pop and Zooropa. Those are both great U2 albums, but I'd rather it be not experimental and just damned good songs & music!

Zoocifer · 05-21-2002, 08:22 PM

Since I enjoy U2's more "dark" musique - I'm gonna have to go with experimental.

~z~

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ignoreland · 05-21-2002, 09:17 PM

experimental, baby.

MadelynIris · 05-21-2002, 09:24 PM

Backwards is forward.

Bono said they're going to make a punk rock record right?

HAHAHA!

Hoping for energy... experimental or not.
Hoping for emotion...

Hoping to fill that God Shaped Hole with God.

Mark
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madonna's child · 05-21-2002, 09:41 PM

I guess experimental, but only so far.

I mean, do you consider Achtung Baby experimental? Then yes, I think they should try something new and experiment.

But I don't want another Zooropa. I love that album, but they shouldn't get too abstract.

They need another solid album to reaffirm that ATYCLB wasn't a fluke success.

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lady lemonade · 05-21-2002, 10:29 PM

Experimental.

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**Sicy** · 05-21-2002, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lazyboy:
Experimental rock please I wouldn't say no to another Mofo anyway, mmmmmmmmoooooooofo.....

Yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Clark W. Griswold, Jr · 05-22-2002, 12:02 AM

I would think they had their fill of "expiramental" with the Zooropa/Passengers/Pop era. No more loops and other hi-tech shit. They killed Pop with over production. Just Guitars and Drums, please.

Salome · 05-22-2002, 12:50 AM

I don't prefer an experimental album

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Zoomerang96 · 05-22-2002, 01:20 AM

atyclb is boring already. i mean sure theyre NICE songs, but come on. guys i know your 40 and all, but you can do way better than that.

i listen to pop all the time, mofo is the most incredible thing. i mean i really think that song hauls more ass than say the national anthem by radiohead.

when i hear how awesome u2 is when they flex their muscles its overwhelming. when they sit around and play light adult contemporary music which seems to only serve as a way to rejuvanate stagnant sales (from pop era) im disappointed.

next album must be more edgier in a sense where a new sounds are made. do you ever ask an artist to paint the same picture twice?

i mean really atyclb donest rock at all. look at elevation, that song is terrible compared to the way they play it live or the tomb raider remix.

i know what theyre capable of, and thats why anythign less is just untolerable.

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ishkash · 05-22-2002, 04:05 AM

I am still not sure what really a U2 experiment is? Most of the times when they leave the songs in the middle it becomes experimental.eg Last Night On Earth,Please are not what they are when played live.Please sounded hell lot better when they released it as a single(It could have fitted on ATYCLB).Same with LNOE..I mean its much much stronger and makes more impact when played live.To be honest all the U2 song sound the same when played live.eg Gone, its more like a something U2 never tried, on the POP album, but it becomes a rock anthem when they put infront of thousand people.

Lets come back to ATYCLB.I think most people who'd like U2 to experiment would consider Always an experimental song, if they had never heard of it before.But in reality its just that its one of those tunes that U2 left it in the middle of somewhere.The point is that,if putting "blip-blop" sound in between the verses is experimenting, then well they've been doing that eversince.

Now if the other aspect of experimentation is artistic expansion, then its fine.I am obviously pointing to Passengers....I think thats the most flashy U2 record.It shows they have imagination and with the help of right people like Eno they can paint with music.This is fine.

As for the new record,I think if they will keep a "raw" nature to it, it would work well.eg Summer Rain is raw compared to polished Wild Honey, similarly Always is raw compared to Beautiful Day.

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ishkash · 05-22-2002, 04:07 AM

Personally I prefer melody over anything else.

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shaun vox · 05-22-2002, 05:07 AM

message to U2
DO NOT MAKE ANY MORE POP TUNES.

mad1 · 05-22-2002, 06:32 AM

Hey Michael, I can see the point your making, but I never really thought U2 did it for the fans.....I really figured its the turns that they choose to take, not what fans want, cause how do they know exactly what the fans want? Sure, reading what fans want is good but not done, a lot if you know what I mean........so really I say its their choice..............if they listen to 'what the fans want' then there would be much confusion.......no? And I dont/didnt think the 'sales' figures mattered so much, as U2 always do pretty well, even if its weak.........theres still a strong wall behind them they can lean onto and be safe.......

so as far as Im concerned, I say no to experimentation........cause not only did they go there and give birth to 'PoP' (which I absolutely adore, and it may have split the fans U2 taste..but never stopped them), but for them to experiment now dont seem right as they've moved on into an 'older' era of their music life..........

to experiment might be like 'dragging the past into the future and praying it would fucking work'............so I say no....

U2 can make whatever music they want to with whatever next album to me...

cause in the end........ifs its not what we happy with we have all the 'right, enjoyable' stuff of theirs that makes us happy to turn to....

and I rated ATYCLB a 8 out of 10.........only a little handful of songs annoyed me a little at first, but they've grown on me.......

U2 may not turn musically into what I want them too.......but Im still behind them in what they do.........even with any 'disappointment' I still say its up to them, let them make their own for whatever way they want...........they aint being selfish doin that....

My two cents....

05-21-2002, 06:35 PM	#21
NShaik The Fly Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: England Posts: 144 Local Time: 12:43 AM	I don't personally think that U2 have ever been an experimental band. You listen to stuff they've done in the 90s, it may be unique and unusual, but I wouldn't call it experimental. I don't really think you can really call it commercial, because you mess around in a studio coming up with as many weird fucked up sounds that sound like they come from another place until the cows come home, but if your still using diatonics chords systems with barely any chromaticism, then I wouldn't call taht experimental. I'm sure a lto of people would disagree, but that's jsut how I feel. Passengers was bordering on being experimental. I think it would be interesting if U2 started exploring more diverse styles and musical devices. For example, if U2 started using quartertones in their music - hard to do on a guitar, but Edge could get one specially made. Or they could try some minimalism (getting close to that with Numb), some atonalism, or even Serialism. However, I don't think that that is what U2 fans would like to see U2 do. I think if they tried to stuff like that, it could be lost on their firmly established fan base. Don't know people insist on calling Kid-A + Amnesiac experimental. Listening to Pablo Honey, there is so weird stuff on that. Kid-A and Amnesiac - there are some fairly experimental songs, like the National Anthem, Life in a Glass House, Packt Like Sardines in a Crushd Tin Box, Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors, In Limbo, but to quote Thom Yorke "Its not rocket science." These songs - they aren't doing anything that hasn't been done. Their just doing something that hasn't been done on a record that gets to Nunber one in the charts. And loads of the songs on their - they're no more experimental than half the stuff on OK computer. Morning Bell, for example, I might be Wrong, You and Whose Army, Pyramid Song, How to Disappear completely, Motion Picture Soundtrack. I like U2 for what they have done - If I wanted them to go all atonal + minimalist, I would just listen to Minimalist music instead. That's not to say they shouldn't learn from what other people have done. I think ATYCLB has been their most gut-less diluted record ever. That's not to say its their worst - there are some great tunes on their, and some really heavy, personal stuff on their (Kite, Peace on Earth), then there is some very trivial poppy stuff on it too (Elevation, Wild Honey). Don't get me wrong they're good tunes, and I like listening to them, and they work really well on the stage, but as an album it is definitely lacking character. I think that if U2 did make that record to branch out into un un-tapped area of fans, and possibly win back some of the fans they lost in the 90s, they're in the position now where they've got the popularity, they've got the safety net, and they can afford to take risks. I think if they don't do something daring, they will become in danger of growing Stagnant. Re-invention has always been what U2 is about. ------------------ Watch More TV, ITs your world you can change it, taste is the enemy of art, Every thing you know if wrong, mock the devil, and he will flee from thee www.geocities.com/nshaikspike/evil.html __________________

05-21-2002, 07:31 PM	#22
lazyboy War Child Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Clare, Ireland Posts: 647 Local Time: 12:43 AM	Experimental rock please I wouldn't say no to another Mofo anyway, mmmmmmmmoooooooofo..... __________________

05-22-2002, 06:32 AM	#40
mad1 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2001 Location: Angie Jolie lover from Belfast Norn Ireland. I LOVE YOU ANGIE! Im a Bono fan! Posts: 13,169 Local Time: 01:43 AM	Hey Michael, I can see the point your making, but I never really thought U2 did it for the fans.....I really figured its the turns that they choose to take, not what fans want, cause how do they know exactly what the fans want? Sure, reading what fans want is good but not done, a lot if you know what I mean........so really I say its their choice..............if they listen to 'what the fans want' then there would be much confusion.......no? And I dont/didnt think the 'sales' figures mattered so much, as U2 always do pretty well, even if its weak.........theres still a strong wall behind them they can lean onto and be safe....... so as far as Im concerned, I say no to experimentation........cause not only did they go there and give birth to 'PoP' (which I absolutely adore, and it may have split the fans U2 taste..but never stopped them), but for them to experiment now dont seem right as they've moved on into an 'older' era of their music life.......... to experiment might be like 'dragging the past into the future and praying it would fucking work'............so I say no.... U2 can make whatever music they want to with whatever next album to me... cause in the end........ifs its not what we happy with we have all the 'right, enjoyable' stuff of theirs that makes us happy to turn to.... and I rated ATYCLB a 8 out of 10.........only a little handful of songs annoyed me a little at first, but they've grown on me....... U2 may not turn musically into what I want them too.......but Im still behind them in what they do.........even with any 'disappointment' I still say its up to them, let them make their own for whatever way they want...........they aint being selfish doin that.... My two cents.... __________________

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05-21-2002, 07:34 PM	#23
zooshadow The Fly Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Sydney, nsw, oz Posts: 196 Local Time: 10:43 AM	Yet another thoughtful well writen post by Michael Griffiths, Keep up the good work cowboy! And i also agree with u experiment! That will prob mean more work for The edge but i think he can handle it...

05-21-2002, 07:34 PM	#24
elevatedmole Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: On a backwards river Posts: 3,546 Local Time: 07:43 PM	Definitely experimental. ------------------ I only smile in the dark Popheart.org

05-21-2002, 08:02 PM	#25
STING2 Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 8,876 Local Time: 12:43 AM	What is experimental though? I disagree with many of the stereotypes that are thrown in about what album is and is not experimental. In my view the band experiments with every release. The band has always done what they want to do, and have the impulse to do more of what they want now since they are massivly rich. The temptation to do something for sales or to fit the times was much greater in the early 80s when the band had yet to make a dime off their efforts. They didn't then and they certainly do not now. As the Edge has has said recently, every U2 album is different. ATYCLB happens to be Edge's second favorite U2 album. I hope the band will continue to create and record music in the way they have done for the past 10 albums. U2 has such a large fanbase now that no matter what album they put out next, it will be savaged by a certain portion of the fanbase. I feel that on ATYCLB the band did a lot of things they had never really done musically before. I hope the band will continue to experiment, just like on every album they have put out to date.

05-21-2002, 08:13 PM	#26
HeartlandGirl Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix Posts: 7,181 Local Time: 05:43 PM	Experiment. ------------------ U2 @ The Blooming Heart

05-21-2002, 08:14 PM	#27
camiloj War Child Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 698 Local Time: 07:43 PM	I'd rather it not be experimental, if experimental means Pop and Zooropa. Those are both great U2 albums, but I'd rather it be not experimental and just damned good songs & music!

05-21-2002, 08:22 PM	#28
Zoocifer Acrobat Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: On the sheer face of love Posts: 387 Local Time: 06:43 PM	Since I enjoy U2's more "dark" musique - I'm gonna have to go with experimental. ~z~ ------------------ " You love this town - even if that doesn't ring true. You've been all over, and it's been all over you " - Bono " Don't you know there ain't no Devil, that's just God when he's drunk " - Tom Waits

05-21-2002, 09:17 PM	#29
ignoreland Babyface Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 28 Local Time: 12:43 AM	experimental, baby.

05-21-2002, 09:24 PM	#30
MadelynIris Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Craggy Island Posts: 1,504 Local Time: 07:43 PM	Backwards is forward. Bono said they're going to make a punk rock record right? HAHAHA! Hoping for energy... experimental or not. Hoping for emotion... Hoping to fill that God Shaped Hole with God. Mark http://www.mp3.com/madelyniris

05-21-2002, 09:41 PM	#31
madonna's child Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: May 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 5,567 Local Time: 08:43 PM	I guess experimental, but only so far. I mean, do you consider Achtung Baby experimental? Then yes, I think they should try something new and experiment. But I don't want another Zooropa. I love that album, but they shouldn't get too abstract. They need another solid album to reaffirm that ATYCLB wasn't a fluke success. ------------------ Sunday all the lights of London / Shining, sky is fading red to blue / I'm kicking through the Autumn leaves / And wondering where it is you might be going to Love, Emily <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/springtime5348/index.html" TARGET=_blank> Emily's Wallpapers </A>

05-21-2002, 10:29 PM	#32
lady lemonade Acrobat Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: where the shhhreets have no name... Posts: 492 Local Time: 07:43 PM	Experimental. ------------------ Get your head out of the mud baby... All our songs are about God or women, and we often get the two mixed up.--Bono My strongest trait is curiosity, I'm just lifting stones, you know, opening doors. Looking out windows, around corners, up skirts...--Bono

05-22-2002, 12:02 AM	#34
Clark W. Griswold, Jr War Child Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wallyworld Posts: 571 Local Time: 12:43 AM	I would think they had their fill of "expiramental" with the Zooropa/Passengers/Pop era. No more loops and other hi-tech shit. They killed Pop with over production. Just Guitars and Drums, please.

05-22-2002, 12:50 AM	#35
Salome you are what you is Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Netherlands Posts: 22,070 Local Time: 02:43 AM	I don't prefer an experimental album ------------------ Salome Shake it, shake it, shake it

05-22-2002, 01:20 AM	#36
Zoomerang96 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: canada Posts: 13,465 Local Time: 07:43 PM	atyclb is boring already. i mean sure theyre NICE songs, but come on. guys i know your 40 and all, but you can do way better than that. i listen to pop all the time, mofo is the most incredible thing. i mean i really think that song hauls more ass than say the national anthem by radiohead. when i hear how awesome u2 is when they flex their muscles its overwhelming. when they sit around and play light adult contemporary music which seems to only serve as a way to rejuvanate stagnant sales (from pop era) im disappointed. next album must be more edgier in a sense where a new sounds are made. do you ever ask an artist to paint the same picture twice? i mean really atyclb donest rock at all. look at elevation, that song is terrible compared to the way they play it live or the tomb raider remix. i know what theyre capable of, and thats why anythign less is just untolerable. ------------------ after years of waiting, nothing came. [This message has been edited by Zoomerang96 (edited 05-21-2002).]

05-22-2002, 04:05 AM	#37
ishkash War Child Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: me!bourne Posts: 751 Local Time: 10:43 AM	I am still not sure what really a U2 experiment is? Most of the times when they leave the songs in the middle it becomes experimental.eg Last Night On Earth,Please are not what they are when played live.Please sounded hell lot better when they released it as a single(It could have fitted on ATYCLB).Same with LNOE..I mean its much much stronger and makes more impact when played live.To be honest all the U2 song sound the same when played live.eg Gone, its more like a something U2 never tried, on the POP album, but it becomes a rock anthem when they put infront of thousand people. Lets come back to ATYCLB.I think most people who'd like U2 to experiment would consider Always an experimental song, if they had never heard of it before.But in reality its just that its one of those tunes that U2 left it in the middle of somewhere.The point is that,if putting "blip-blop" sound in between the verses is experimenting, then well they've been doing that eversince. Now if the other aspect of experimentation is artistic expansion, then its fine.I am obviously pointing to Passengers....I think thats the most flashy U2 record.It shows they have imagination and with the help of right people like Eno they can paint with music.This is fine. As for the new record,I think if they will keep a "raw" nature to it, it would work well.eg Summer Rain is raw compared to polished Wild Honey, similarly Always is raw compared to Beautiful Day. ------------------ *Gravity Pulls Me Down,U2 Lifts Me Up*

05-22-2002, 04:07 AM	#38
ishkash War Child Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: me!bourne Posts: 751 Local Time: 10:43 AM	Personally I prefer melody over anything else. ------------------ *Gravity Pulls Me Down,U2 Lifts Me Up*

05-22-2002, 05:07 AM	#39
shaun vox New Yorker Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: LA.cal ROCKnRoll city! Posts: 3,192 Local Time: 12:43 AM	message to U2 DO NOT MAKE ANY MORE POP TUNES.