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Old 08-23-2002, 08:07 PM   #41
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I see your points Wolverine, but I am not in the boat that thinks "whatever makes U2 happy makes me happy".

Some of you need to understand that it is okay for people to not like a U2 song, record or era. We are still fans of the band.

When I say ATYCLB sucks, I am saying it sucks in comparison to their other work -- and as a figure of speech. I am not putting their talent down because I sing horribly worse than Larry, play guitar far worse than Bono and can only drum with one hand. I've never even picked up a bass.

It's just my personal opinion that U2 took a bit of a nosedive on this record.

Perhaps my viewpoint is augmented by all the trash talking (which I typically love) Bono did before and during the release of the record about how they were going to blow the Boy Bands and pop records off the charts with a true Rock and Roll album.

Maybe I was expecting a rock and roll album and didn't get it?
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I am not putting their talent down because I sing horribly worse than Larry, play guitar far worse than Bono and can only drum with one hand. I've never even picked up a bass.
Aw, c'mon, Larry doesn't sing THAT bad...


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Maybe I was expecting a rock and roll album and didn't get it?
Ahhhh...I see your point. Still, though, I wouldn't go as far as to say that ATYCLB "sucks." I dunno...I just don't like that word associated with U2 at all.

But don't misunderstand me. I'm not chastizing you for your opinion.
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Old 08-23-2002, 10:12 PM   #43
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unlike the author, I love "Beautiful Day" and think it's one of their best songs, and "Kite" and "New York" are flawed but they work out ok for me; I don't care for "Grace" though (the song that is) or "Peace on Earth," but I agree with most everything else you said
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ATYCLB is my favorite U2 album though...I treasure it. It's the album that saved my life.
It's not my favorite U2 album (that goes to Achtung Baby), but it definitely saved me as well, as I was going through some bad changes in my life when it was released.

I don't think I'm alone when I say it also helped many deal in some small way with the events last September.
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I agree, ATYCLB is below U2 standards.
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It's not my favorite U2 album (that goes to Achtung Baby), but it definitely saved me as well, as I was going through some bad changes in my life when it was released.

I don't think I'm alone when I say it also helped many deal in some small way with the events last September.
Ditto everything you said.
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Beautiful Day i think is one of U2's best. Those opening bars are I think some of U2's most beautiful and entrancing yet. Its magical and personally for me is a song which brought me a lot of happiness and means a lot.
I also have a very personal love of Kite and emotionally I think the album has a lot to offer.
I don't rank it even im my top 5 but I do think there are many good songs on it.
Wild Honey and Grace I find dull and even iritating. I skip them always.
I think the way to judge any album against others it to compare it to how often you play it.
ATYCLB disappointed me because Im from the old school of fast rocknroll, guitars and big noise, not the melodic slow tunes that ATYCLB is themed around.
GASP...I don't rate Walk On as one of the best either.
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what makes things even worse is that adam said their are a bunch of real poppy songs left over from the sessions that he knows will be released one day.

stuff it in a sack and send it to the wolves at pleba.

we want rock. you say your the best rock and roll band THEN DELIVER.

bono stop acting like an ass.

thank you.
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Old 08-24-2002, 12:12 AM   #49
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I was hoping that he meant songs from the Pop era when he said there are more "pop" songs left over, I listen to the Pop-era "big girls are best" more than 75.2% of ATYCLB

Bono will never write a controversial or cynical political song again, at least not while he's kissing the ass of world leaders for cash
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Old 08-24-2002, 12:39 AM   #50
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well, while i dont think it sucks the big one, actually i think Id have to say I like it least of all the U2 albums right now. but I do love Walk On, Kite, When I Look at the World, Peace on Earth, New York, and Grace. the rest of the songs i like but they are not too special for me. I am sure in time i will come back to this album because I did love it at first. and I really appreciate the message they tried to bring on ATYCLB (sorry deathbear), i thought it was kinda brave to try to pull that off.

i do wish that they would do something more like Zooropa and Unforgettable Fire now that they have that out of their systems though. those two albums are timeless classics, they stand out and I can never get enough of either of them.
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Haha...

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Originally posted by Hallelujah Here She Comes
As much as I don't want to perpetuate any Pop argument, I have to come out in support of Sicy here. I think it needed to be said and I'm glad she did.

And for the record:

POP rocks and so does ATYCLB. Wait, am I allowed to like both???
Yeah, you can. .

Personally, I like ATYCLB as well. The first four songs off that album that were played on the radio and had videos for them...I liked those right off the bat, and then I downloaded some of the other ones and liked those, too (actually, "In A Little While" I heard on a radio station...I personally adore that song, it's one of my absolute favorites off that album).

I'll admit, the first time I heard "New York" or "Grace", I was thinking, "Eh...".

But the more I listened to them, the more they grew on me, especially "Grace".

And I'll admit, maybe some of the lyrics on this album aren't exactly mind-blowing, but I don't think every song has to have lyrics that make you go, "Whoa...did you hear that line?". Some songs can have just plain lyrics and the song may still be good because those plain lyrics work for that song. There's many songs I've heard in which the lyrics may be simple...hell, I could probably write lyrics like those if I wanted to...but I love the song anyway, just 'cause it's simple and to the point and that's that.

I noticed a few complaints about "Peace On Earth" not being a favorite because it's got the whole thing with a social issue and all that. Once again, I personally love it when Bono gets into political or social topics in songs, but that's just me...*shrugs* (what can I say, I like guys who speak their minds in any way they can ).

Maybe this is one of those albums where people may not care for it at first, or parts of it at first, but then they listen to it again and the album warms up to them.

But for those who truly don't like this album, you're certainly entitled to your opinions. You have your reasons why you don't like this album, I have my reasons for why I do, as do the rest of the people who like this album. And I definitely believe that you can be a fan of a band and not like everything they do and critique some of the things they do.

I don't think we all need to start jumping down each other's throats just because we disagree about an album. We just need to chill out.

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I like political songs like NYD and SBS, or Bullet... Like a Song, Seconds, Fire, Surrender, Pride, but not POE, it's a nice thought and I actually liked it at first, but it doesn't hold up musically and the lyrics really don't make much of a statement
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If ATYCLB was a weak,light, pop-ish, and sucked (as compared to other U2 albums) U2 should retire now.Stop wasting out time U2
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I confess I haven't been bothered reading all four pages of this, and I have said things to this effect before, but I haven't been here in a while, and this is partly why.
One Tree Still and others, I am SO glad that I'm not alone in my opinion of ATYCLB. While I appreciate Roland's commiserations for my loss, and would have liked to love ATYCLB, I have never got into it. With every other U2 album, I have loved it at some point. Maybe not right away, but at some point, I got it. It reached me. Maybe the reason ATYCLB missed me is because I'm 23 years old, know nothing of relationships and don't have kids, and have not lost anyone to tragic circumstances (thankfully), so I have no point of common reference. Zooropa took forever to get to me, but I got it, and now it's one of my favourites. I loved Pop the first time I heard it. I went through a stage when I could not get Boy out of my CD player. October contains a song which I can say is one of the first U2 songs I fell in love with. The other thing that hooked me into U2 was R&H, video and CD. Exit is my favourite song.
The best track on my copy of ATYCLB is TGBHF, and as we all know, it doesn't really belong there (plus Mr Rushdie wrote the words).
The fact is, I haven't been around the forum for a long time because, among other RL things, I never got ATYCLB. It's been 2 years, as you say, and I haven't listened to it for 12 months, perhaps. Maybe a little less. I'd like to turn the radio off every time I hear Stuck.
You might say I'm in danger of losing my faith.
What happnened guys?
Maybe if they had got to Australia with the tour, I would have understood it live. But that didn't happen. I don't get it. I'm afraid of disappointment with the new one now, since ATYCLB was the first album released since I became a fan, and so the first album hype I lived through. To have those kind of hopes dashed sucks, and right now, I don't give a rats arse what the new single/album is like. I'll buy it... I'll buy the single if it's good. A couple of years ago I was D/Ling bits of BD and drooling with anticipation over the singles releases... I got two of everything until Walk on came out and I lost interest.
The lost potential is what really annoys me about that album.

Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now. I'm glad many of you love ATYCLB, I realise it has helped a lot of you through hard times. I just don't get it.

Sorry again.
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BTW, that's a very good point, Wanderer... It's a shame though. Although I suppose Bono figures he's got more chance of making a positive difference if he kisses world leader arse than writing incisive angry political lyrics, but the world's gain is music's loss.
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Old 08-24-2002, 06:47 AM   #56
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I respect other peoples opinions if they don't care for ATYCLB but I love the record.I think the lyrics are honest and has meaning for a lot of people universally speaking!Its not supposed to sound like any other u2 record.Every record u2 has made sounds different from the last and takes the listener someplace different.This is just my opinion but I love it!Some of the strongest lyrics Bono has written!
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I respect other peoples opinions if they don't care for ATYCLB but I love the record.I think the lyrics are honest and has meaning for a lot of people universally speaking!Its not supposed to sound like any other u2 record.Every record u2 has made sounds different from the last and takes the listener someplace different.This is just my opinion but I love it!Some of the strongest lyrics Bono has written!
You're right! This record was awesome, and the meanings it took on along the way, after 9/11 and the deaths of Mr. Hewson, Joey Ramone and others was very heavy. This was not only a good record, it was an important one. I cherish ATYCLB!

Since you can't please all the fans all the time, it is best for them to do what they feel and what's in their hearts. This album had a lot of heart, and if it doesn't touch your heart, maybe yours is a bit too hardened. There will always be fans who don't like this or that album, that's going to happen with album and every band. Enough fans gave this one the thumbs up to prove it was loved. BTW, is there some significance to Wolverine's location?
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Well, I dont agree that ATYCLB "sucks" but it is good to see that for the most part this type of discussion has remained civil.

I was really into ATYCLB all of last year. Havent listened to it much lately. But I have gone through this with every single U2 album. I'am sure I will go back to it at some point and enjoy it.

I dont think it is their best album. But it is a very good album and certainly does not deserve to be categorized as "sucking".

Actually I dont really even listen to studio albums at all right now. All I listen to is Elevation bootlegs. I have to say some of my favorite songs to hear live are Kite, Elevation, Walk On and Beautiful Day. So I think that says something about the album.

Anyway, good debate. I hope we can be this civil when the setlist threads hit again on the next tour!!!
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I had to put in my two cents because, I, too, had a hard time getting into ATYCLB and was disappointed. I felt it was missing the "U2 drive". So many people love it, though, so I usually keep my mouth shut.

I will say, though, that Beautiful Day is in my top five favourite songs. Last August I was married and we did our recessional out the church to Beautiful Day and it was incredible.

I also like "New York". Edge's guitar rifts are hard and driving and it's the only sound that links them to the AB era in my opinion. The rest of the album is kind of light and washed out. It doesn't suck, but I'll throw AB or Pop in my CD player over ATYCLB anyday.

Maybe I'm just stuck in the 90's, because for all the controversy, I loved the nineties album (with Zooropa my least favourite of the three).

ATYCLB was the first album in their third decade of being rock stars, so I can appreciate their attempt at a new flavour. On the whole, it was successful for them, so that's not a bad thing.
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im in agreeance

in many ways your annoyance towards this album rings true with me as well

for me i think this album is mediocre and has left the band open a loose end up for harsh criticism for music purists and especially rock purists

for one it seems that when bono chose to delve into the pop-rock business because they wanted to compete against the likes of britney spears, nsync, limp bizkit, oasis and to grab a slice of the mainstream, the whole concept of u2 went out the window

wasnt it bono who said: 'rock and roll gives us a chance NOT TO grow up'? and unfortunately this record showed that the four boys were showing their wrinkles- big time! ATYCLB was like erk... it resembled an Eagles record, or at times, a celine dion record, because it felt like easy listening to adult contemporary, unadventurous cobbled up shambles bullshit

ok it sold copies and in many ways a few people here think it meant so much to them, but for me (i take my music hardcore!) this became 'just another cd' in my large collection

there was no album structure, just a whole bunch of singles, and some of those tracks were incredibly weak (eg wild honey, in a little while, peace on earth, new york, stuck in a moment) as 'their attempt to go backwards in order to go forwards' sounded ridiculous and hideously dated

for one the album rests in my album collection alongside coldplay parachutes as albums i never pick up anymore simply because there is nothing left to absorb on those songs

i guess theres always time to fix things up
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