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Old 02-16-2002, 08:45 PM   #41
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As for Bono's voice, although I think that he's got a much better singing voice now, I agree that he needs to take a break (maybe locked in a cupboard with the sticky tape around his mouth).

In other words, whenever we say that we want U2 to do whatever they want to do, what we -really- mean is that we want U2 to do whatever they want to do as long as they're doing what -we- think is good for them,
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Old 02-16-2002, 09:07 PM   #42
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I agree Ava-there can be too much of a good thing.
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Old 02-17-2002, 12:56 AM   #43
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I think Bono croaks half the time...he is a professional singer and he should take care of his voice.

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As for Bono's voice, although I think that he's got a much better singing voice now, I agree that he needs to take a break (maybe locked in a cupboard with the sticky tape around his mouth).

In other words, whenever we say that we want U2 to do whatever they want to do, what we -really- mean is that we want U2 to do whatever they want to do as long as they're doing what -we- think is good for them,
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Old 02-17-2002, 01:48 AM   #44
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I said that IMO he's got a much better singing voice, not that he's got a much better stamina, which is something you lose after raping your voice over and over in your youth.
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Old 02-17-2002, 02:14 AM   #45
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Forgive me if I have started a new thread when this is quite honestly an offshoot of someone else's; however, it got me thinking about something... and thought it should have it's own forum for discussion-
Why are we so afraid to criticize U2?

Now think about it. Don't just write down the first thing that comes to mind, because it is so much more than simply being a fan. U2 fans really get into heated discussions about this or that, and we are so quick to jump on the defensive. I am guilty of it myself, and nearly stormed out of a class last week when everyone began to turn our lecture into a 'U2 sold out' argument regarding their performance at the Super Bowl. I was furious. How dare they, I thought.
But... the thing is... and maybe I am thinking too much because I of what I am studying... but, when is too much too much? U2 have been in the public eye for a year and a half now with at least another year rumoured to be ahead. The minute someone criticizes them and says, it's time 'disappear' for awhile, we get all pissed off and can't deal. 'U2 should do what they want, they shouldn't care what other people think' etc... That's where, IMO, we are wrong. This has nothing to do with Jubilee 2000, or anything 'political' or charitable. I will not put a stamp on good work that helps people... I am simply talking about 'exposure' as a band, plain and simple.
U2 are a band. A band is a business. Businesses are to be run in a successful fashion. You need to know when to promote, what message to send out and when to step back. Up until this point (and I am not saying this has stopped) U2 have run their 'business' IMO successfully. They have a good following, they have sold millions and made a ton of money. But they are not perfect and everything they choose and do is not always perfect. So why can't we admitt that? See that? Criticize? It's not a betrayal. It's not not being a good fan. I dunno, maybe I have no point. I guess I just can't see why everytime a person seems to have a different opinion than the 'norm' we are so quick to jump down their throats.

Feel free to do so at me if you feel the need. IMO, I think U2 should cool off. Do their summer tour, then take some time off. Over exposure can be the kiss of death. They have successfully become the 'Best Band In The World', take your crown, bow and go away graciously. Come back when you are ready to challenge the norm again. With new music, a new image and a new idea... tour... goal. ATYCLB and 'Elevation' has been stretched to its limits.
Yeah, U2 should do what they want and yeah, not everyone's opinion matters... but to say they should not care about what people think at all, is naivite. Yeah there are us, who will follow them to the end, but you know, we are a minority, and when U2 stops listening, stops caring what people think, well, then they might stop and I don't want that to happen.

This is a business people. Never forget that.

Well... That took balls, lol. I am so going to get flamed for this, but perhaps you all won't read it this far down, 'cause its so bloody long. haha.

And just to reiterate--> My point with this is not to compete with gherman and his thread and what we think U2 should do or not do... it's about the subject--> and why we fail to see both sides.
I couldn't agree more. U2 aren't God-like creatures and their ideas aren't holy scriptures. They are humans like you and me, and I can't see why it's wrong to critize some of their dispositions (whether its theirs or maybe Paul McG - we don't really know.). I have no problem with that. I think U2 have over exposed themselves during the last year and not in the best manner. (But hey - I still love the band). That's it. The world didn't collaps, did it?!

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Old 02-17-2002, 02:44 AM   #46
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Why are we so afraid to criticize U2?
because i say so.
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Old 02-17-2002, 11:40 AM   #47
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Here is what I think:
some people here are often too rude and not very good in having a discussion about U2. They take every criticism personal, and than they flame people who put those comments with rude remarks and with no arguments at all.
I like a discussion where I can give you my argumentes and you give me yours. I will read yours, I have all the respect for yours, but I will probably still believe in mine (b/c I'm allways right)

a lot of people here think that only they have the right to have opinion about U2, and if you don't share their opinion they will flame you and they will call themselves a bigger fan - and that is the biggest stupidity that I know of on this forum
Personaly I like to think about myself as not a fan but a pearson who LOVE's U2's music, and a lot of their actions. But being a fan can never fill me with a sence of pride or anything like that. They are people like you and me, they are only in position to do a lot of things and be noticed for them. I'm glad that my favorite band has positive stands and actions, and sometimes they are my rolemodels, and sometimes...

I started to rumble, so I better stop now

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There's always going to be people who don't like your favorite band. Whatever, it's DEFINATELY their loss on this one. But if they go on and on about how U2 sucks well, then they're idiots. You can't sit and argue about if music is good or not. It's all opinion and it's all subjective. Even within U2 hardcore fans (of which there are NONE here ) there is fighting over whether POP is good (a masterpiece) or whether 80s U2 is better than 90s U2 and vice versa. Well, it's all up to you.

And hey, criticize U2 all you want. They're still my favorite band. And yes, I have been known to criticize them myself, so hey, it's just a party, let's all do it.

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There's always going to be people who don't like your favorite band. Whatever, it's DEFINATELY their loss on this one. But if they go on and on about how U2 sucks well, then they're idiots. You can't sit and argue about if music is good or not. It's all opinion and it's all subjective. Even within U2 hardcore fans (of which there are NONE here ) there is fighting over whether POP is good (a masterpiece) or whether 80s U2 is better than 90s U2 and vice versa. Well, it's all up to you.

And hey, criticize U2 all you want. They're still my favorite band. And yes, I have been known to criticize them myself, so hey, it's just a party, let's all do it.


Well that's one more thing that I forgot to mentione: you say that it not good to go on and on about a band saying that they suck - I don't like those things in this forum also
I don't like N'sync and bands like them at all, but here people are acting like those boy bands are thi biggest evil of this world and they constantly repeat the words "suck, crap..."
I mean, when someone publishes a negative comment about U2 we all get excited and people flame him with e-mails and they call him/her idiot, moron, phatetic b/c he/she etc. obviously didn't do his homework on the band. BUT a lot of people here pass judgements on other bands (Bizkit, N'sync, Kid rock...) and they don't go on flaming music and bands but also the people - they call them idiots, morons, old farts and again words like that... how can someone here pass those judgemets on another band when the homework isnt' done? and yet we expect all others to know everithing about U2 - we have to except that there are a lot of people who still don't know what or who U2 is/are...

that's something that I don't like here. Sometimes we act as nobody else is good and U2 are gods... double standard at least

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A lot of bands/ groups get crapped on from this forum too...



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A lot of bands/ groups get crapped on from this forum too...
Quite true. If a band/artist isn't named U2, isn't legendary, or isn't trendy (in an "artistic" way) they're generally worth less than shit around these parts.
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Quite true. If a band/artist isn't named U2, isn't legendary, or isn't trendy (in an "artistic" way) they're generally worth less than shit around these parts.
It seems that way at times. I think sometimes people are afraid to "admit" the other music that they listen to besides U2.



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Old 02-17-2002, 06:35 PM   #53
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I like what you had to say Babygrace, but just one thing---> chances are you won't get over it. All I know is I haven't, and I have stopped trying to.

Great discussions people. Honest answers and no one has resorted to being a jerk. how shocking for Interference!

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Old 02-18-2002, 02:34 AM   #54
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Honestly, Ava, because of how much I admire U2 for everything they are, everything they believe, and how they aren't afraid to show it. I... and I know it's ridiculous, I'm not totally blind... but I am cut deeply anytime I hear someone calling U2 corny or stupid or uncool, because I am so proud of their openess and honesty. I feel like shaking whoever it is, and saying, "But you don't know what you're talking about!!! You have no idea what they've been through, and where their beliefs come from!!"

I know it's totally silly but Bono in particular is a true hero to me, probably my biggest one, besides my mom that is, and I'd give anything to be half of what he is. I also for some reason see some bit of innocence in the beliefs of the band, there isn't really, but more of a lack of bitterness towards the world, and I feel like I have to protect that and make people see what I see.

ok, fine Im VERY silly. I know I'll get over it and will not always be fanatic, but I also know I will always have a very special place in my heart for U2.

One thing that does not get me however is people critcicising the marketing/financial side of things, I dont honestly care how U2 run their business or where they are on the pop charts as long as they keep singing to my soul.

well thats my take on it anyway
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lol Ava, well I'll just keep on hoping anyway

maybe you should start more discussions, this one was enjoyable
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