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Old 09-21-2002, 06:55 PM   #21
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Yup...Pop just can't be mentioned without the classic "didn't get it" statement being dragged in. It's like a law of nature, such as gravity. It would break all the rules to not mention that people who didn't like Pop didn't like it, not because they may have had legitimate reasons for doing so, but because they "didn't get it."
Oh, of course!

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after 10 years U2 finally released an album that had about the same amount of commercial success as Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby

in the eyes of some media that would be a comeback I guess
Yes.

There is an excellent piece on U2 'coming back' with ATYCLB in LIFE'S 50 Years of Rock and Roll Book. If anyone has it please post it.

One more thing- some of you have contridicted yourselves and your main points here. You always claim that the 'media' hurt Pop and PopMart, now you're saying the media bashing didn't start until after it was over??!! Gee, that must mean it was the FANS who rejected it of their own free will, just as I've been saying all along!
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Originally posted by scatteroflight I don't think you can blame people who don't like Pop for getting a bit sick of the tired old saw "you didn't get it." It is very, very insulting and either people don't realize that or they do but insist on denigrating people who don't worship and drool over Pop.
ok...i am a pop lover...just so you all know. but see, i also think it's a bit rude to say people didn't "get it" because they don't like it. imo, many "didn't get it" and many just didn't like it...so there shouldn't be statements insinuating unintellegence in the subject.

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I don't think there's any substitute for that, but I don't even know why I'm wasting my time typing this because I know no one cares in the slightest and good solid songwriting is not a priority for many people on this forum.
here's another thing: what i'm sick of, as a pop lover, is statements like this one and "worship and drool over pop". if you don't want us to say inconsiderate things...perhaps you should also be a bit more careful. i mean, i would never insult another u2 fan just because they don't like a song i do or an album i do...but it does tend to go both ways. we aren't neanderthals either, ok?

to me, this whole "war" over pop is absolutely ridiculous. we're all fans and all friends here. it's just an album. i wish everyone would just stop making mountains out of mole hills.

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*EDIT* scatteroflight...i am in no way singling you out purposfully...i'm talking in general...
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One more thing- some of you have contridicted yourselves and your main points here. You always claim that the 'media' hurt Pop and PopMart, now you're saying the media bashing didn't start until after it was over??!! Gee, that must mean it was the FANS who rejected it of their own free will, just as I've been saying all along!
I don't think the media hurt PopMART. As I remember it, the Rolling Stones was the only tour that was more successful than Popmart in the summer of 1997. I never heard anything negative about the tour until a couple of years ago. All of a sudden it was labeled the "lemon" of the band's career.

On the other hand, shortly after Discotheque was released, I noticed that I was seeing U2 played much less on MTV...In fact, I hadn't even seen the music videos for SATS, LNOE, Please, or IGWSHA until about a year ago.

And I wouldn't call selling out in stadiums all over the world "rejection."
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ok...i am a pop lover...just so you all know. but see, i also think it's a bit rude to say people didn't "get it" because they don't like it. imo, many "didn't get it" and many just didn't like it...so there shouldn't be statements insinuating unintellegence in the subject.



here's another thing: what i'm sick of, as a pop lover, is statements like this one and "worship and drool over pop". if you don't want us to say inconsiderate things...perhaps you should also be a bit more careful. i mean, i would never insult another u2 fan just because they don't like a song i do or an album i do...but it does tend to go both ways. we aren't neanderthals either, ok?

to me, this whole "war" over pop is absolutely ridiculous. we're all fans and all friends here. it's just an album. i wish everyone would just stop making mountains out of mole hills.

here's my treaty flag:
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Hey, if you didn't like POP, that's ok. I'm betting that you still probably "got it", though. You just weren't thrilled with what you "got". Fair enough.
i agree.

looking on both sides...it was a bit uhhh, i dunno what the word is really, unneccessary i guess, to say those who didn't like pop didn't "get it." but on the same side, i'm getting sick of those who don't like pop to take one sentence that probably came out wrong in the first place to blow things out of proportion. it was a simple comment, and i think everyone (about anything, not just about pop) tends to take things a little personally.
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it was a simple comment, and i think everyone (about anything, not just about pop) tends to take things a little personally.
This is true. I know that I can be guilty of this at times.
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I'm not sure I would call the fans who like POP a minority...it seems to me that there are quite a few that did like the album, and there's obviously plenty of support for it on this forum. Although I happen to love the album, there are those who dislike it for other reasons...it's just a matter of personal taste.
Exactly. ON THIS FORUM. There are dozens of people on this forum who will rush to its defense, and fewer and fewer who disagree because of the lashing we get. That does not mean that Pop lovers are the majority. The sales numbers prove that. No don't throw the old Britney Spears/commercial sales don't mean good or bad argument in my face. Let's compare U2 to U2. The sales of JT, AB and ATYCLB compared to the sales of POP proved that millions more fans liked JT, AB and ATYCLB than liked POP. So while a few dozen very vocal Pop advocates exist on this forum and on wire, overall they are the minority among U2 fans, and I think even the band knows that. That's what J has been trying to say for years. It's true.
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here's another thing: what i'm sick of, as a pop lover, is statements like this one and "worship and drool over pop". if you don't want us to say inconsiderate things...perhaps you should also be a bit more careful. i mean, i would never insult another u2 fan just because they don't like a song i do or an album i do...but it does tend to go both ways. we aren't neanderthals either, ok?

Yes it does go both ways, but what pisses me off is no one can ever say how much they like it without throwing insulting comments about the ones who don't like it! Stuff like, 'didn't get it,' 'not a true fan' 'brainwashed by the media' or make like we just can't understand it because we don't have the intelligence. I do not say anything until I see crap like that being stated, and I don't think anyone else has either. Perhaps EVERYONE should be a bit more careful!!

I also agree that these wars are ridiculous, but as long as the comments keep flying, I will step in too. I really do wish it would all stop. But as someone else said, that's what 90% of the threads are about and it always comes up. Will it ever stop!!
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Exactly. ON THIS FORUM. There are dozens of people on this forum who will rush to its defense, and fewer and fewer who disagree because of the lashing we get. That does not mean that Pop lovers are the majority. The sales numbers prove that. No don't throw the old Britney Spears/commercial sales don't mean good or bad argument in my face. Let's compare U2 to U2. The sales of JT, AB and ATYCLB compared to the sales of POP proved that millions more fans liked JT, AB and ATYCLB than liked POP. So while a few dozen very vocal Pop advocates exist on this forum and on wire, overall they are the minority among U2 fans, and I think even the band knows that. That's what J has been trying to say for years. It's true.
Why does it bother you so much if people like POP? I really don't understand! It seems like you go out of your way to prove what a failure Popmart and Pop were. You didn't attend any of the Popmart concerts. You did not see the 1000s of happy, screaming fans in the sold-out stadiums. I'm sorry, but I do not equate masses of people flocking to these shows with failure.

By the way, I am in no way implying that you didn't "get it." You didn't like it, that's all. That's fine, but there ARE people who did...PLENTY of them!
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The Pop argument again??!!!


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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*runs really fast and jumps off a 10,000 foot cliff.*
Now THERE's an interesting image...
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Wertsie, it doesn't bother me that some people like Pop. What bothers me is that no one can like it here without dissing people for not liking it, and yes, they do strike first with those comments before anyone gets mad. I've been doing this for a year and a half now, and I have seen it so much. It does appear that some people start these "Pop appreciation threads' as a way to trash those who didn't like it, (and I appreciate SO much that you are not like that!!) and they always get a chip on their shoulder and are like, oh this is so great, WHY was it so dissed? Which always leads to the bashing of the fans (not true fans of course ) who didn't like it, which leads to all the same old remarks that make people mad so they comment, then people who don't like it get blamed for being negative in a Pop appreciation thread, which would not happen if some people would not make the remarks that they do in the first place!! ARGH!! I still cannot understand the high amount of this type of thread. In some way or another, it HAS to be brought up several times a week, and it always turns out the same way. Couldn't we please have one week where no one says any of this stuff??!!
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Couldn't we please have one week where no one says any of this stuff??!!
I would LOVE that, as I'm sure everybody else would too! There are a few things I think we all have to do to make that work though:

1. Even if you (in the general sense) think someone is posting just to piss you off, turn the other cheek.
2. If someone starts a pro-Pop thread with the intent to piss people off, ignore that. Just treat it like a pro-pop thread...i.e. people who like POP will say why they like it and whatnot.
3. Bottom line: If you enjoy a thread topic, post away...If you don't, move on to the next thread.

I THINK that's all I was gonna say!
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actually, you can go on pretending to be civilized in this little community, but i will happily post how i feel whenever i feel like it in the style i chose.

it comes with being cool.
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1. Even if you (in the general sense) think someone is posting just to piss you off, turn the other cheek.
2. If someone starts a pro-Pop thread with the intent to piss people off, ignore that. Just treat it like a pro-pop thread...i.e. people who like POP will say why they like it and whatnot.
3. Bottom line: If you enjoy a thread topic, post away...If you don't, move on to the next thread.

I THINK that's all I was gonna say!
Yep yep...that sums most of it up...

Everyone needs to just relax and chill...especially over POP...there are plenty of people who like/love the album, just as there are plenty for which the album was not their taste or style...simple as that.

Funny, though...I don't think we would be having this same argument if this were an R&H appreciation thread for some reason....
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Yes.

There is an excellent piece on U2 'coming back' with ATYCLB in LIFE'S 50 Years of Rock and Roll Book. If anyone has it please post it.

One more thing- some of you have contridicted yourselves and your main points here. You always claim that the 'media' hurt Pop and PopMart, now you're saying the media bashing didn't start until after it was over??!! Gee, that must mean it was the FANS who rejected it of their own free will, just as I've been saying all along!
I do agree with your points here. While I personally have shifted to the POP-side of the equation, I shifted on my own free will and my own discovery of the album's inner hidden beauty. However, I know it is a FACT that POP was not a commercial failure because of media. It's the fans free will. They just didn't buy POP. It's that simple isn't it? I mean you don't need to be a genius ...hey even a retard would get it ....little sales=few buyers. So few bought POP its that simple.

So my unlike other POP fans here, I guess my views are a bit different. I just like the album period. I don't blame anyone for it selling poorly, and I know I belong to a really really small minority of people who bought the album (6 million to be exact). But I don't care if I belong to the minority, what matters is I like it.

By the way, I mean minority everywhere else but this forum. In this forum they are a majority.

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here's another thing: what i'm sick of, as a pop lover, is statements like this one and "worship and drool over pop". if you don't want us to say inconsiderate things...perhaps you should also be a bit more careful. i mean, i would never insult another u2 fan just because they don't like a song i do or an album i do...but it does tend to go both ways. we aren't neanderthals either, ok?
Ok, so that was a bit uncalled for. I wasn't meaning to cause any particular offence, I was just a bit annoyed. Truce!

I have to say, I still don't know why Pop causes such intensely polarized feelings. I mean, I understand people liking it, and people disliking it, but the strength of emotion it arouses reminds me of the way that wars of religion begin.
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Um i just wanted to say i don't see why any kind of art (music specifically) is something that people should "get".

Either you like it or not.
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While I personally have shifted to the POP-side of the equation, I shifted on my own free will and my own discovery of the album's inner hidden beauty.
naah, i think it's because your atyclb yahoo address was full, so you had to switch back to your pop one!
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