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Old 12-27-2004, 03:40 AM   #1
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U2's Last Frontier

I got up this morning at 5 am and couldnt get back to sleep. So I put on some U2 with headphones and played the million dollar hotel sdtk. Specifically, "The ground beneath her feet" and "Stateless". I hadn't heard these songs in a while but it brought me back to the late winter of 2000 when these songs were released. It brought back the joy yet dark peace that these songs brought to me. I used to repeat these two songs again and again because that was the only New u2 we've had since POP. We were all waiting for the new album and although we had heard that ATYCLB was coming out later that year, who knew if that rumor was just that, another vicious rumor. I remember threads in this forum saying that they hoped the new album would have the same ambiance and sounds that these two songs had, but it wasnt to be.

And now, looking back to those weird days before ATYCLB and between POP and ATYCLB ( I am not counting the Best of ), I can say and opine that those were the last adventurous sounds and landscapes created by U2. It's like they started their carreer in one side of the continent (Nova Scotia) and were on the edge of the other side of continent with MDH SDTK (Nome, Alaska). Their last gasps of genius until the summer of 2000 warmed up their cold hearts and gave us "Beautiful Day" and "ATYCLB". They went back to the warm comfortable middle which has also spawned the wonders of "HTDAAB".

But in the late winter of 2000, U2 was in the edge of their musical and artistic frontier and now...................................
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U2's last frontier was the Joshua Tree. It's been downhill ever since, but in such a shallow descent trajectory that they are still not that far from their apex.

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U2's last frontier was the Joshua Tree. It's been downhill ever since, but in such a shallow descent trajectory that they are still not that far from their apex.

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Good old Jick.. Cheers
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If New York had been on Pop or Achtung Baby, it would have been lumped in with U2's 'experimental' stuff. Since it was on ATYCLB instead, it is called 'safe pop by the numbers'. That is 1 awesome song no matter how you categorize it. It's the same old story. U2 goes wherever they want to, and the fans can go along for the ride or sit on the side of the road and complain. I'll RIDE.
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I think they kicked the door a little more open with ATYCLB. Call it safe, pop, adult contemporary I don't care. It is a great album of songs. Why people continue to bash this is beyond me. U2 made it very clear what their direction was with both of these last two albums. Experimental or not they are both GREAT albums.
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U2's last frontier was the Joshua Tree. It's been downhill ever since, but in such a shallow descent trajectory that they are still not that far from their apex.

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Achtung baby anyone?
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Achtung baby anyone?
Some people think The Joshua Tree is Better than Achtung Baby, in which case he might have a point. Personally, it's too hard to call between the two.
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Is one of U2's weaker albums. Not all of us think it's a masterpiece to be worshipped.
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U2's last frontier was the Joshua Tree. It's been downhill ever since, but in such a shallow descent trajectory that they are still not that far from their apex.

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Jick's right. The have gone down hill since, although personally, i'm more inclined to say it was after Achtung Baby that things went downhill. What they produce now is by no means bad, but I think general opinion is that Zooropa, Pop, ATYCLB and HTDAAB don't even come close to touching the ground that AB and JT did.

saying that, as a Pop fan, i'd beg to differ.
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Is one of U2's weaker albums. Not all of us think it's a masterpiece to be worshipped.
Joshua Tree is sonically boring compared to Achtung baby. Granted the songs are fantastic but I only listen to AB out of those two albums. Anyway this is just RECORDS, LIVE U2 have only been going uphill since they started.
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They´ve been downhill ( artistic speaking ) since 1999
but it´s apparent many fans don´t notice that because of album sales. I mean, while Pop sold about 9 million copies worldwide, ATYCLB sold near 11 million ones, so it was better JUST IN TERMS OF SALES, but was ( and still is, IMO ) the worst U2 album they´ve ever made, in terms of ART expression.

Overall I agree with you snutes 1, this U2 2000 has nothing left to show us with their music, because we´ve already listened to the same since 1999.

As I said here before...

THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME
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oy these threads just end up going in circles.
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And the endless debate rages on.
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How's that for summarizing the theme?
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They´ve been downhill ( artistic speaking ) since 1999
but it´s apparent many fans don´t notice that because of album sales. I mean, while Pop sold about 9 million copies worldwide, ATYCLB sold near 11 million ones, so it was better JUST IN TERMS OF SALES, but was ( and still is, IMO ) the worst U2 album they´ve ever made, in terms of ART expression.

Overall I agree with you snutes 1, this U2 2000 has nothing left to show us with their music, because we´ve already listened to the same since 1999.

As I said here before...

THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME

Please cease your redundant posts...
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LIVE U2 have only been going uphill since they started.
Again, I disagree. I feel that U2 hit their greatest peak during Lovetown and have ever so slightly declined since then, though it seems they are again on the rise from Elevation.

I also feel that AB is sonically boring compared to JT. JT has the most incredible sweeping landscapes. Compared to most other bands, though, AB is fecking brilliant.
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