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Old 10-16-2002, 09:59 PM   #61
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Well, so far we've heard "SATS" and "Discotheque" and they both seemed to be robbed of their soul. Now, they're just shallow attempts at remixing classics. The band shouldn't have remixed these to begin with (or put the new mixes on the second disc) since the original versions were the hit singles that were bustin' out of everyone's radios and television sets in the Summer of '97.
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gypsy, I am sympathetic to your plight, they all want to torment you, but I "get" the pure comic genius of your posts that everyone seems to be missing, you don't fool me, if we know what I mean
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judging by the support im getting, im sensing im only saying what everyone is feeling.

but for you sicy...
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Frankly its not bad, as some the post I have read, trying to make it sound like it is terrible. I personally find hard to see a problem with the original, but this like many U2 single mixes, is a derivation of the live version in studio settings. I dont know why we have to respond so profusely when we all know these things are very slow to make impact.

I have heard original one maybe 100+ times, but I havent heard the new one even ten times, so its very obvious which one has much deeper impression in my head. All I am asking for is more radical approach, like, unlike, hate, detest a U2 song but not without loosing perspective.
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I'm still having trouble to understand this all
in all the POP debates (and we have had a few) almost no one has expressed much interest in Discotheque
in all the POP debates (and we have had a few) people say that "live" you could hear how good those songs really were

now U2 has the POP songs remixed so that they sound more like the live versions and now at least 50% of the posters over here seem to think that U2 has murdered the work of art known as Discotheque

I haven't even listened to this remix yet
but I'm pretty sure that it can't be as bad as this thread would have me believe
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in all the POP debates (and we have had a few) almost no one has expressed much interest in Discotheque
in all the POP debates (and we have had a few) people say that "live" you could hear how good those songs really were
- discotheque is in my top five!

- i love the live version as well...

...but i think while this is similar to the live version, it lacks something that the live version has. it's not the crowd cheering or anything. it's the energy. imo, this version just sounds kinda flat to me. but i'm not complaining. new U2 (while just a reworking of an old song) is better than no U2!
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Alright, here's my opinion...

I believe that 'Discotheque' has, and always will be, about the production of the song, itself. In essense, the production is the song, and therefore is what makes the song. If you strip 'Dischtheque' right down to its bare bones, you really have nothing but one good guitar riff. There really isn't much of a melody - (Have you ever tried humming the song? It's frighteningly difficult.) - and there isn't really much of a hook. To be perfectly blunt, it's one of the worst written songs U2 have ever put out, simply because so little actual song-writing went into it. (How can something be well written if there really isn't any writing, right?) But before you all flame me, that's not necessarily a bad thing. As I've already said, what makes the song is the production. Unfortunately, U2 have decided to strip that production away, and expose the song for all of us to see. Unfortunately, there really never was much there (underneath the layers), and now U2 have removed the curtain. I think I know why they did it, though. Right now, Edge and the band are into "primitive guitar riffs" and minimilistic aproaches, so they wanted to turn it into a simple rock tune, and retain some of the swagger that it was originally about. Unfortunately, Edge forgot the song didn't have a solid foundation. Oh well. I hope the next album does. Judging by 'Electrical Storm' I think it will. I just hope they don't go too simplistic.

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The layers are what made the song in the first place, not the song-writing, and that's why I much prefer the original.

On a side note, a song like 'Stuck', for example, didn't need to be heavily produced, as the song-writing is very good. Just listen to the acoustic version for proof.
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sounds like an incomplete b-side remix of the song , no more , no less , it lost any sense , and sounds like elevation album version .
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Alright, here's my opinion...

I believe that 'Discotheque' has, and always will be, about the production of the song, itself. In essense, the production is the song, and therefore is what makes the song. If you strip 'Dischtheque' right down to its bare bones, you really have nothing but one good guitar riff. There really isn't much of a melody - (Have you ever tried humming the song? It's frighteningly difficult.) - and there isn't really much of a hook. To be perfectly blunt, it's one of the worst written songs U2 have ever put out, simply because so little actual song-writing went into it. (How can something be well written if there really isn't any writing, right?) But before you all flame me, that's not necessarily a bad thing. As I've already said, what makes the song is the production. Unfortunately, U2 have decided to strip that production away, and expose the song for all of us to see. Unfortunately, there really never was much there (underneath the layers), and now U2 have removed the curtain. I think I know why they did it, though. Right now, Edge and the band are into "primitive guitar riffs" and minimilistic aproaches, so they wanted to turn it into a simple rock tune, and retain some of the swagger that it was originally about. Unfortunately, Edge forgot the song didn't have a solid foundation. Oh well. I hope the next album does. Judging by 'Electrical Storm' I think it will. I just hope they don't go too simplistic.

The short answer:

The layers are what made the song in the first place, not the song-writing, and that's why I much prefer the original.

On a side note, a song like 'Stuck', for example, didn't need to be heavily produced, as the song-writing is very good. Just listen to the acoustic version for proof.

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I'm still having trouble to understand this all
in all the POP debates (and we have had a few) almost no one has expressed much interest in Discotheque
in all the POP debates (and we have had a few) people say that "live" you could hear how good those songs really were

now U2 has the POP songs remixed so that they sound more like the live versions and now at least 50% of the posters over here seem to think that U2 has murdered the work of art known as Discotheque

I haven't even listened to this remix yet
but I'm pretty sure that it can't be as bad as this thread would have me believe
I never said I like the live versions better; in fact, I think disco live sucks.
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I agree with Michael Griffiths, and also those who said the riff gets annoying. When it's right up front and not buried under myriad beautiful studio noise it is just too obvious and grates on you. It's actually pretty annoying.. and at the end, without the boom-chas it sounds a bit silly.

I still the mix taken by itself is a good song, just nowhere near the original.

We'll see if time changes my mind.
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wow, someone saying that a song on POP isn't well written and not getting slammed for it
that must have been a very well written post Michael
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I highly doubt that Edge doesn't realize what sort of song the band had written, it's obvious they re-worked it because it was a flop in the US as a single and though they like the song, they needed a version that would be embraced by the people who made ATYCLB a success, and furthermore it would have been incredibly embarrassing for them to just leave "discotheque" off the Best Of the way they did with "lemon" (guess they felt they couldn't salvage it, or had enough respect for its brilliance not to massacre it?), so they did what they could to make the boom-cha more accessible to the mainstream fans who will be buying the Best Of, it sounds more like a song you would have heard on some "other" U2 album "see, you didnt like it the the first time, so we changed it up, trust us, you'll like it now"
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so they did what they could to make the boom-cha more accessible to the mainstream fans who will be buying the Best Of, it sounds more like a song you would have heard on some "other" U2 album "see, you didnt like it the the first time, so we changed it up, trust us, you'll like it now"
i agree. hard to believe eh?

but as skeek also said, that main riff needs to be hidden, or something i dunno, it just doesnt support itself alone.
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they should have put B-side live version of Discotheque ( live from mexico city ) , it's fresh , rocking and it's close to original .
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they should all go to a hypnotherapist to have the concept of "remixing" permanently expelled from their collective consceinces.
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Okay, I've heard all of the comments on the new version of the song, now...DOES ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE A COPY OF IT?!? I missed it on u2.com and want to hear it for myself (also can't find it on newmedia).

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