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Old 01-25-2006, 05:19 PM   #1
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I am relatively new to this forum, and can't believe the hostility surrounding this album. I personally don't like it, and I think it's their worst offering yet, but when I read fans intellectually explaining the album's shortcomings, I seldom ever find a useful argument from the other side. Most of the comebacks are limited to "you just hate U2" or "you just don't understand it." Hehe, I don't know personally what I'm supposed to understand about the new album. One excersize that I find helps to see the truth is taking each track and comparing it with all the other tracks from the other albums that share that song number position. For instance...compare "Sometimes You Can't Make it" to "Elevation" to "Mofo" to "Numb" to "One" to "Desire" to "With Or Without You" to "Wire" to "New Year's Day" to "Threw A Brick Through A Window" to "An Cat Dubh." IMO, SYCMIOYO doesn't hold a candle to any of these tracks. And I know, music is subjective, and I could see people disliking "Numb" and "Mofo"...but as for the others...come on. Do it for each song. How about this..just for the people who think this is their best album. Let's compare it to the well known trilogy (Joshua Tree, Achtung Baby, and All That You Can't...). So you prefer Vertigo over "Where the streets, Zoo Station, Beautiful Day"? You prefer "Miracle Drug" over "Still Havent' Found", "Even Better Than The Real Thing" and "Stuck In A Moment"? And so on and so on...How anyone could like "City of Blinding Lights" over "Running To Stand Still" is beyond me.

Another thing: People who I've talked to about this album tend to accuse me disliking it's commercial appeal. And I say well...wasn't The Joshua Tree commercial? 2 #1 hits?!?! Achtung Baby? I heard that album sold well. You couldn't go anywhere at that time without hearing about U2. Did I cry sell-out? Hellz no, because I was digging the music. The new album is a turkey and many like it under the guises of their choice. The most popular of those guises being "It's an album seen through the eyes of men who are older and more mature" so let me get this straight... Hello, Hello, Hola, catorce etc. That's maturity? No, that's probably the most juvenile moment of U2's career. And talk about the scent of babies heads...that's the kind of lyric that makes me want to assassinate Bono. Science and the human heart there is no limit...with maturity you should realize it doesn't work that way. "Lay down your guns"we're in the middle of a war you idiot. Don't get all flower power on me. Snoogins.
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I agree with what Bono said of this album (I think in Rolling Stone?); i like most of the songs individually, but the sum of the parts doesn't really convey a greatness that previous albums (UF, JT, AB, etc.) achieved.
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There have been many excellent "defenses" of the album. It's just that we're all tired of writing them over and over after a year of people knocking it.
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I don't think HTDAAB is as good as Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby but I do think it's their 3rd best album...certainly shits all over ATYCLB IMO.
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ozeeko, you don't seem to be aware that the people who hate HTDAAB here, hates ATYCLB even more.
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I can't wait till something new to rag on is released...
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But at least your post made me go

Cos you're probably the first person ever that has clubbed ATYCLB with everything before it, instead of attacking both HTDAAB and ATYCLB!
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I guess I'm in the minority on one issue: While ATYCLB is no masterpiece when considering U2's complete discography, it is one in comparison to "How To.." God dammit! For the love of Yahweh! When will U2 release a one word Album again! I'm sick of these long clever names. Go minimalist boyz!
Yeah, I actually liked their 2000 album. Nothing groundbreaking, but the songs were good. The newest one is like taking ATYCLB, putting it in a microwave, cooking it on High for 10 minutes, taking it out, feeding it to your dog, waiting for him to crap it out, taking the crapped out album, and reheating again. Basically, reheated shit.
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love ATYCLB, love HTDAAB

i think im in the minority
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Re: The Bomb

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And talk about the scent of babies heads...that's the kind of lyric that makes me want to assassinate Bono. Science and the human heart there is no limit...with maturity you should realize it doesn't work that way. "Lay down your guns"we're in the middle of a war you idiot. Don't get all flower power on me. Snoogins.
o...kay...

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OMGWTFLOLBBQ
who noo peepul had differint opinyuns and muzik taysts. hur hur hur!!!1!

Seriously, get over yourself. Let people like what they want.
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love ATYCLB, love HTDAAB

i think im in the minority
i love them both as well... AND pop.
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Bomb is a good album, nowhere near their best though. I actually like it as well as ATYCLB. Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby are still their best albums to me.

Oh, and about JT being commercial. It was a commercial success. At the time though it sounded unlike 90% of the stuff out. So while it seems mainstream now, it really didnt sound all that mainstream in 1987. I think that was a reason it was so popular. Great music that was different from most of the rest of the mainstream. You can apply the same to Achtung Baby as well.
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i love them both as well... AND pop.
ME TOO!!

in fact, i love every U2 album. is that bad? maybe I'm a "blind follower."
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I am relatively new to this forum, and can't believe the hostility surrounding this album. I personally don't like it, and I think it's their worst offering yet, but when I read fans intellectually explaining the album's shortcomings, I seldom ever find a useful argument from the other side. Most of the comebacks are limited to "you just hate U2" or "you just don't understand it." Hehe, I don't know personally what I'm supposed to understand about the new album. One excersize that I find helps to see the truth is taking each track and comparing it with all the other tracks from the other albums that share that song number position. For instance...compare "Sometimes You Can't Make it" to "Elevation" to "Mofo" to "Numb" to "One" to "Desire" to "With Or Without You" to "Wire" to "New Year's Day" to "Threw A Brick Through A Window" to "An Cat Dubh." IMO, SYCMIOYO doesn't hold a candle to any of these tracks. And I know, music is subjective, and I could see people disliking "Numb" and "Mofo"...but as for the others...come on. Do it for each song. How about this..just for the people who think this is their best album. Let's compare it to the well known trilogy (Joshua Tree, Achtung Baby, and All That You Can't...). So you prefer Vertigo over "Where the streets, Zoo Station, Beautiful Day"? You prefer "Miracle Drug" over "Still Havent' Found", "Even Better Than The Real Thing" and "Stuck In A Moment"? And so on and so on...How anyone could like "City of Blinding Lights" over "Running To Stand Still" is beyond me.

Another thing: People who I've talked to about this album tend to accuse me disliking it's commercial appeal. And I say well...wasn't The Joshua Tree commercial? 2 #1 hits?!?! Achtung Baby? I heard that album sold well. You couldn't go anywhere at that time without hearing about U2. Did I cry sell-out? Hellz no, because I was digging the music. The new album is a turkey and many like it under the guises of their choice. The most popular of those guises being "It's an album seen through the eyes of men who are older and more mature" so let me get this straight... Hello, Hello, Hola, catorce etc. That's maturity? No, that's probably the most juvenile moment of U2's career. And talk about the scent of babies heads...that's the kind of lyric that makes me want to assassinate Bono. Science and the human heart there is no limit...with maturity you should realize it doesn't work that way. "Lay down your guns"we're in the middle of a war you idiot. Don't get all flower power on me. Snoogins.

So your telling us were wrong for liking the album because it in lots of peoples opinions it was a crappy album?

I like the album. I don't like how you seem to think your opinion is right and everyone elses is wrong. If I like HTDAAB more than Joshua Tree(I don't, but in theory) than thats up to me.

Get over yourself. You just like different albums than some people. Your a fookin' dick.

And by the way, I think dressing like The Village People is pretty juvenile. gives "Hola" a run for its money. (its called being goofy... if U2 kept trying to be serious all the time than they would be laughable)
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can't believe the hostility surrounding this album.

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The newest one is like taking ATYCLB, putting it in a microwave, cooking it on High for 10 minutes, taking it out, feeding it to your dog, waiting for him to crap it out, taking the crapped out album, and reheating again. Basically, reheated shit.


I definitely believe the hostility given posts like that...

I personally love the album, but I am one of those blind following sheep.

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ME TOO!!

in fact, i love every U2 album. is that bad? maybe I'm a "blind follower."
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Hmmmm... lets see

I like Vertigo better than Streets, Beautiful Day, and Zoo Station (all by a hair)

I like Miracle Drug better than I Still Haven't..., Stuck in a moment...and Even Better Than...

I like SYCMIOYO better than Elevation, One, and WOWY

I like City of Blinding Lights WAY more than Running to Standstill, Who's gonna ride..., and Kite

I like All Because of You better than Walk On, So Cruel, and Red Hill Mining Town

I like Crumbs better than Mysterious Ways, Peace on Earth, and Trip Through Your Wires

I probably also like the OOTS single version better than other corresponding song but I'm too lazy to check

I probably also like One Step Closer better than other corresponding song but am once again too lazy to check


And several more points Ozeeko:

1. Any view you have on specific songs is simply your own view. It may be beyond you that anyone can like COBL better than RTSS, but it's just the opposite for me. It's all a matter of perspective.

2. You also don't realize how much hatred there is for All That You Can't Leave Behind. On MacPhisto's recent album contest, HTDAAB was the 5th favorite album on the thread and ATYCLB was the 9th favorite...

3. I personally think that lyrics like "Hello Hello" and "Unos dos tres catorce" are U2 having some fun. They can't always be so uptight, and the lyrics like top a of newborn baby's head to me are brilliant.

4. And what's with the flower power thing? I would generally think that people laying down their guns would be a good thing
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the socalled BOMB is not a good album - its lame and boring
ATYCLB is not a good album but imo its a little bit better than the socalled BOMB
the last good album was POP
i don't like the long album titles at all because it transfers something that suggests some kind of psychoanalizysis/midlife crises. imo the biggest failure of the last 2 albums is the blurry cheesy type of sound. its way too overproduced. e.g. even the more rocking tracks like vertigo, LAPOE are a bit of pseudo raw. bring on another producer next time. we need more rockers!
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I personally think Vertigo is one of their all time greatest songs.

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