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Old 01-09-2017, 04:48 PM   #21
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I know Sicy created a new subforum for this tour, but I can't find it on the app. Where/how can I find it?

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Fingers crossed. It would be interesting to see that happen (live debut of a future lead single). I wonder if they might 'road test' a couple of potential singles, see which ones have the best reception from the audience.
Lol if they did that then they'd play those songs once or twice and them bench them forever.

Seriously a nostalgia concert is not a place to delude yourself into thinking you can road rest new songs based on audience reaction. By definition most of the people at those shows couldn't care less about new material.

Can't have it both ways. The idea that these JT shows are some sort of promotional tool for SOE is deluded.
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Lol if they did that then they'd play those songs once or twice and them bench them forever.

Seriously a nostalgia concert is not a place to delude yourself into thinking you can road rest new songs based on audience reaction. By definition most of the people at those shows couldn't care less about new material.

Can't have it both ways. The idea that these JT shows are some sort of promotional tool for SOE is deluded.
Ordinarily I'd agree with you. I think the focus will be on the anniversary. And i think the chances of any new material are slim because, in terms of promotion, the band wouldn't want SoE to distract from the tour, or vice versa.

But I don't think tying SoE into TJT for promotion is deluded. The former is apparently lyrically based on the latter, so thematically it would make sense. And as mentioned earlier, after the negative to reception to SoI because of the Apple fiasco, reminding the public of their best work, and promoting their new material as an extension of that work could be good promotion.

Hell, I'm not even saying this means it's more likely that we'll see some Songs of Experience on the JT tour. Just that in terms of tactical promotion/marketing, it could work effectively.
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Whether you love or hate or are somewhere in between on this tour, any suggestion that this is anything other than to appease Live Nation is really naive. LYV didn't sign U2 for them to put out albums, LYV signed them to sell tickets and merchandise - they were 'disappointed' by U2 in 2016 and put heavy pressure on the band to be on the road in 2017.

LYV doesn't grow towards its targeted $1B AOI without its major stars actually touring.
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What a soap, this SOE thing. Relevancy can' t be reached by pushing albums back. I thought they'd learnt their lesson last time with the SOA/SOI thing. Waiting to release and pushing back albums doesn't mean necessary a succesful album
.... original plans (after SOI) were a 12-18 months gap between SOI/SOE. A quick follow-up would justify a connection between both albums and the Innocence and Experience tour would have made sense.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a JT-TOUR... But if it gets back their relevance...I doubt !

To the u2-fans outside Europe and US it's a sad day. No album announcement or liveshow.

SOE will be out in the (far) future, but I'm out of patience. They used 2016 to bring the album back from 18 to 12 tracks... Come on...

Wait... Finally a great idea which will get them back in the (positive) spotlight: Give the FANS (not the whole world this time) Songs of Ascent on cd (and not a stream), we are collectors. The album will commercially never see the Light. And... it makes SOI relevant again in the time between now and SOE... The publicity does it's work and it will maybe get some new u2.comsubscribers! Everybody happy, maybe the band not, but we've been unhappy a lot about those statements that "the album is almost done'......

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I agree. While I'm happy to be going to a show this summer (Cleveland), I do feel guilty. North America has gotten 3 tours since the last Australian tour (2011, 2015, 2017). I realize it's a big expense to lug all that stuff down under for not that many shows (aka DOLLARS), but it's still not right. Looks like you guys might not get any shows until 2018. If they do resume the I&E Tour again, they had better hit you guys up first before they even think about returning to Europe or North America. Who the hell knows what they'll do anymore.

Wondering if reluctance to go to Australia is compounded by the weakness of AUD relative to USD. Hasn't that been blamed for similar issues before?


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I think that was the reason for not taking Elevation there. The 3rd leg of Elevation originally ended after the 11/19/01 Los Angeles show, and then the plan was to do a quick tour of Japan and Australia. Mainly just 3-4 nights in Tokyo, Sydney and Melbourne. Might've been a 2 nighter in Brisbane as well. That was abandoned, and then they added 8 more shows starting in Sacramento through to the last show in Miami.

Australia was also supposed to be played in early 1988 for the Joshua Tree Tour, but the band were exhausted. Then they got busy with Rattle and Hum. Then the Australian leg was to take place in early 1989, but for some reason got postponed again until the end of the year.
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My first and final predictions about SoE:

1. It will release in March 2018.
2. It will not be called Songs of Experience anymore.
3. One song from the album will be played on the TJT-tour. It will have some lyrical and thematical connection to TJT but written from a contemporary perspective.
4. The I+E-tour will not be resumed. Instead they will use much of the setup for this tour, adjust and revamp some elements, and tour the new album in 2018.
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TJT 30th Anniversary Tour...then SOE!!!

All strategy my friends!


There's no doubt in my mind this was to satisfy the live nation contract, but if you are U2, you're going to make this work for musical reasons too and I think that that's where this works out. It's a great plan especially if the narrative of SOE as it was didn't jive with the band's feelings. Remember, they're artists. If the statement they want to make with an album is compromised, then it's a shit album to them. Which is why they're personally happy with NLOTH & SOI. They didn't cave in to release those albums under pressure of the fans or the record label. Then this strategy really works especially if SOE was always meant to connect w/ U2's post 80's sounds & sentiment. To piggyback SOE release after a successful Joshua tree 30 tour really makes sense and gets the bad taste out of the typical person's mouth of the SOI/ apple hiccup. I won't be one bit surprised if we hear at least one or more songs from SOE before this tour ends.
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reluctance to go to Australia
I'd like to see a show as much as anyone, but I get that we're a tiny population in the middle of nowhere and there's no obligation to come here. It's just made worse by the fact that Lovetown had so many shows here and many of us weren't even born back then
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My first and final predictions about SoE:

1. It will release in March 2018.
2. It will not be called Songs of Experience anymore.
3. One song from the album will be played on the TJT-tour. It will have some lyrical and thematical connection to TJT but written from a contemporary perspective.
4. The I+E-tour will not be resumed. Instead they will use much of the setup for this tour, adjust and revamp some elements, and tour the new album in 2018.
Yes I'd buy that.
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they simply were not ready... and the 30yr TJT story came in handy..., the now told narrative putting SOE on ice because Trump won the election makes a good story.... but I don't buy it.
I know most people here seem to think they're making up an excuse for not having SOE ready, but what we've all heard from several sources over the past few weeks is that it WAS ready. These weren't the usual Bono quotes we're all used to hearing.

I believe the results of the US election had a huge part in what they're doing now. We all know where they stand on political & social issues, and the president-elect steers completely opposite of their core beliefs. It doesn't surprise me that they want to re-work the album a bit, or maybe add a couple tracks to express their concerns about the future of the political landscape.

I'm sure the JT tour is just a way to satisfy Live Nation & the fans, but there's nothing wrong with that in my book. I read someone's post last night, pointing out they don't even want to hear the first 4 tracks since they've heard them enough already. Seriously? If this were the SOE tour, we would likely hear those 4 songs anyway. Now we get to finally hear the rest of the JT album live, including some songs for the first time ever. That is totally worth it for me. SOE will be out in its own time.

I'm sorry if I come across as too quick to accept the album delay news, but the forums were getting a little too negative on a day when we just had a tour announcement.
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There's no doubt in my mind this was to satisfy the live nation contract, but if you are U2, you're going to make this work for musical reasons too and I think that that's where this works out. It's a great plan especially if the narrative of SOE as it was didn't jive with the band's feelings. Remember, they're artists. If the statement they want to make with an album is compromised, then it's a shit album to them. Which is why they're personally happy with NLOTH & SOI. They didn't cave in to release those albums under pressure of the fans or the record label. Then this strategy really works especially if SOE was always meant to connect w/ U2's post 80's sounds & sentiment. To piggyback SOE release after a successful Joshua tree 30 tour really makes sense and gets the bad taste out of the typical person's mouth of the SOI/ apple hiccup. I won't be one bit surprised if we hear at least one or more songs from SOE before this tour ends.


Totally agree with this.
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I have to say. I love this band. I love the Joshua Tree. I was exposed to Boy/October/War when i was a wee one, and then got more interested during UF, and got full fledged fandom during Joshua Tree.

But, I have seen them 16 times, I'm not as into going to see live shows as I once was. So while I will probably hit this tour, I would rather have a new album by far.

They have every right to celebrate this classic album. But it's the first time I've genuinely felt that tinge of disappointment that they have entered the final phase of their career, and instead of going out with a beautiful, poignant, album for the ages, they are doing commemorative tours of old material.

I know, they aren't "done" I hope. But this is a detour that doesn't really excite me. Although i do think it may be a good move to get older fans back into the fold and excited for SOE (or whatever it may be called). Fingers crossed.
So, plug 20 in for "16 times" and "19 years" for "wee one" and this sums it up for me as well.

They owe me nothing, I'm glad they are hitting the road again and I hope they can re-engage some past fans and find a few new ones too.

I'm just not feeling this and will wait for the Christmas DVD or some good bootlegs and SOE / SOA / SO Whatever it Becomes.

I really hope the whole anti-Trump thing goes well too... I sense a few cringe worthy moments coming on, and that's OK if it keeps some dialog moving on important issues.
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Whether you love or hate or are somewhere in between on this tour, any suggestion that this is anything other than to appease Live Nation is really naive. LYV didn't sign U2 for them to put out albums, LYV signed them to sell tickets and merchandise - they were 'disappointed' by U2 in 2016 and put heavy pressure on the band to be on the road in 2017.

LYV doesn't grow towards its targeted $1B AOI without its major stars actually touring.
Yea? And? Would your boss be upset if you didn't show up for work?

And Live Nation are U2's management, so I'm pretty sure they want albums as well.

But yes, thy want to make money. No shit .
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Just about every other band manages to come to Australia these days so it can't be that big of a problem. Coldplay just did a very successful stadium tour here so I'm sure U2 could if the demand is still there for them.
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Apparently they just ran a JT30 commercial on ESPN before the championship game.
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When do we start calling the still-unreleased new album "SOB"?
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I can somewhat buy the political excuse.

The Best Thing sounded like a very confident band, and it sounded fleet of foot and buoyant of spirit, and poppy as all fuck. I can still sing it. To release such a single in a world that grew considerably darker this past fall -- not just in the US but in Europe as well -- might have been correctly assessed as out of step and out of touch.

I'm sure a lot of it had to do with their inability to play what I'm guessing is their most electronic album since Pop (but in a dancey, trancey, EDM kind of way), but they may have assessed everything and thought "... eh, we're late already, why not just wait a little longer at this point."
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Apparently they just ran a JT30 commercial on ESPN before the championship game.
They've done a great job getting the message out.
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