Popmart V Elevation

lazyboy · 06-23-2002, 09:15 PM

I know this place is seriously split on this issue. Well, almost nobody has serious problems with Elevation, it generally went safe and just plainly kicked ass. But Popmart definitely gets wayyy too much of a hard time from some people round here. Fair enough, all entitled to your own opinions.

Now listen here, this ain't even a thread to proclaim either better, I'm really just trying to grasp a bit of respect for Pop. The only way you can truly compare both is to compare the key songs that featured in BOTH tours. So here is my opinion. If anyone wants to drop theirs, just say which tour's version you preferred. And feel free to add any songs I forgot.

Until The End of The World : Popmart
I Will Follow: Popmart
Mysterious Ways: Popmart
New Years Day: Popmart
Where The Streets Have No Name: Popmart
Bullet The Blue Sky: Popmart
With or Without You: Elevation

I didn't include any Pop songs because Popmart was built around some of them so obviously it was better in those cases, like Discotheque.

So, IMO, from those 7 commonplace songs, umm, 6-1 to Popmart.
I did this as I was listening to bootlegs from both tours, and well, all the above MUSICALLY appear better to me on Popmart. Bullet stands out, way way funkier. The funky edge to the songs gets me anyway. As I said, feel free to add others like ISHFWILF and EBTTRT but I hadn't heard/seen enough versions of these from both tours. Be honest now! With at least those 7, which do you prefer?!

wertsie · 06-23-2002, 09:49 PM

Hey, you'll never hear me disrespecting POP or Popmart!

1997 was the best time of my life up to this point. It was beyond amazing!

**KhanadaRhodes** · 06-23-2002, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lazyboy
all the above MUSICALLY appear better to me on Popmart.

U2Kitten · 06-23-2002, 09:51 PM

Not only was Elevation superior musically, Bono's voice was much better. Elevation all the way!

SkeeK · 06-23-2002, 10:38 PM

I gotta say I definately prefer Elevation I Will Follow over Popmart's
And I put Bullet to Elevation, too.

Otherwise I think I agree. though some of them are almost too close to call.

The Wanderer · 06-23-2002, 11:40 PM

all the PopMart versions, Bullet might be a toss up though but only with the Elevation Tour versions that featured the Mark Chapman rant at the end, but again, that was only used for the final part of the first leg of the US tour, so overall PopMart Bullet gets the Edge

also, Please was better on PopMart, Staring at the Sun was a carbon copy

Dustybot · 06-23-2002, 11:47 PM

Until The End of The World : Elevation
I Will Follow: Elevation
Mysterious Ways: Popmart
New Years Day: Elevation
Where The Streets Have No Name: Elevation
Bullet The Blue Sky: Elevation
With or Without You: Elevation

I like PopMart, but Bono's voice was just not there like it was on the Elevation tour. And for the most part I like the presentation of the songs better on Elevation. And I'll add that All I Want Is You, One, and Gone all sounded better to me during Elevation.

adamswildhoney · 06-23-2002, 11:51 PM

I loved Popmart because that was the first time that I saw U2 in concert, but I really enjoyed Elevation because I got to see them 3 times during the tour.

jphelmet · 06-23-2002, 11:54 PM

Until The End of The World : same/ same theatrics, i dont really hear a difference musically)
I Will Follow: elevation (like the longer version, and the pure horror of how badly it was played on the first 10 or so dates of popmart makes elevation have the edge)
Mysterious Ways: Elevation- never thought it belonged in the encore.
New Years Day: Popmart
Where The Streets Have No Name: Elevation- way better i prefer the bad to 40 to streets intro, and i never liked the ending of the popmart tour)
Bullet The Blue Sky: Elevation (Edge's solo- way better elevation)
With or Without You: Popmart- love the mexico city version
Gone- say the same, although i love the boston dvd ending
Discotheque-I'll say elevation, liked edge's guitar, sounded harsher on the elevation tour to me.
Please- Popmart, although really liked accousitc version on elevation.
Sunday Bloody Sunday- Elevation, edge's version was excellent for just himself, but the full band version always better.
One- Elevation- the last leg of elevation was the best versions i've ever heard them do.

I loved both tours. Elevation was better overall musically especailly if you take the first month of shows of popmart- which even the band admits was pretty bad musically for U2 standards. Plus Bono's voice was better for Elevation. I would says its a pretty close if you stack the best shows of both tours against each other. For me the setlist (Bad, Like ATYCLB better than Pop songs+ Walk On ending better than One) and the overall feel of the indoor shows makes Elevation better.

Zoocifer · 06-24-2002, 01:03 AM

Well -

My heart will always belong to Pop and Popmart. I loved Elevation, but Popmart was just a better era in my opinion. I love the technology that went in to it and how U2 could still blow people's minds. It was just so large and so powerful. As for the preferred versions:

One: Popmart. I don't know why, but Bono's voice, to me, sounds a whole lot better.

Where the Streets Have No Name: It's a tie. I love the long version from Popmart but I love the intensity from Elevation. The song from Popmart seemed a whole lot glossier, but Elevation was back to emotion and inspiration.

With or Without You: Popmart. Longer and Bono's voice was much stronger (in my opinion, at least).

I will Follow: Elevation. I still think that this song could be a hit single if it were released tomorrow.

Mysterious Ways: Popmart. Even though I love the intro-riff from Elevation - Popmart's ending was a whole lot better. I love the Popmart Mexico version.

Discotheque: Elevation. Though I loved the lemon, the sound from Elevation was stronger and more raw. A great mix between dance and rock. Perhaps someday people will see how great of a song it is.

Bullet the Blue Sky: Tie. I loved Bono's speech at the end of Elevation but Popmart had a little bit more balls in it. Also the amazing visuals from the Popmart screen helped.

Until the end of the World: Elevation. I love Bono swinging that guitar around during Popmart, but Elevation had the excellent ending (the screeching of the guitar).

Gone: Popmart. Bono's falcetto at the end - just grand.

Sunday Bloody Sunday: Elevation. No contest. "Johnny was a good man..."

New Year's Day: Elevation. Bono yelling again was great.

Please: Popmart. No contest.

Staring at the Sun: Elevation. When I say Elevation I mean when they tagged it to the end of "Discotheque". The solo acoustic version is just a tad too bland for me.

Wake Up Deadman: Popmart. No real difference but hearing it in the Popmart Mexico video was great.

All I want is You: Popmart. The Sarajevo version is amazing with the edition of "many rivers to cross" (I think that's the tune). And I love how Bono would add many different lyrics at the end.

Desire: Elevation. When the full band joined in it was fun and very entertaining.

I Still Haven't Found What I'm looking for: Popmart. Bono's voice was a little weak, yes - but you can't beat "stand by me" at the end.

Pride (In the Name of Love): Elevation. No contest. It seemed like they played it at Popmart just to play it.

Bad: Elevation. No contest. They played it a few times at Popmart and they sounded so drained when they did.

- The Zoocifer -

Salome · 06-24-2002, 01:50 AM

I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For was better on POPMart

that would be about it

I loved POPMart though
it did have soul

christiana · 06-24-2002, 03:37 AM

Hm... IMO

Until The End of The World : I think both versions are pretty much the same, but I love the Popmart version a bit more.
I Will Follow: Yep. Popmart.
Mysterious Ways: I like the Elevation version of it more. Agree with jphelmet, it doesn't belong in the encore.
New Years Day: Popmart.
Where The Streets Have No Name: The Please intro is always my favourite intro to Street. Popmart.
Bullet The Blue Sky: Popmart. I don't like the Elevation version.
With or Without You: Love the version in Popmart Mexico, but the Elevation version is really good too. A bit hard to choose, but... I'll choose Popmart.
I Still Haven't Found...: Popmart. My favourite version of this song.

I'm still a big fan of both tour...

SweetOnU2 · 06-24-2002, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by christiana
Hm... IMO

Until The End of The World : I think both versions are pretty much the same, but I love the Popmart version a bit more.
I Will Follow: Yep. Popmart.
Mysterious Ways: I like the Elevation version of it more. Agree with jphelmet, it doesn't belong in the encore.
New Years Day: Popmart.
Where The Streets Have No Name: The Please intro is always my favourite intro to Street. Popmart.
Bullet The Blue Sky: Popmart. I don't like the Elevation version.
With or Without You: Love the version in Popmart Mexico, but the Elevation version is really good too. A bit hard to choose, but... I'll choose Popmart.
I Still Haven't Found...: Popmart. My favourite version of this song.

I'm still a big fan of both tour...

Exactly! I agree with yah! LOL Ditto for me!

lazyboy · 06-24-2002, 02:05 PM

That's cool, alot of positive vibes for Popmart!

Again I say it's not really declaring either as the king, I was just wondering what people who thought Popmart overall kinda sucked made of the songs in question. It was just a feeling I got everytime I watched/heard those songs from Popmart, like more enjoyable than Elevation versions! Clearly to me anyway.

Interesting too the way some thought Bono's voice was better on Popmart, and others Elevation. Just get 2 versions where he is on top form, can't go wrong.

Thanks for the feedback anyway guys, thought I was the only 1 thinking that way!

wertsie · 06-24-2002, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zoocifer
Well -

My heart will always belong to Pop and Popmart. I loved Elevation, but Popmart was just a better era in my opinion. I love the technology that went in to it and how U2 could still blow people's minds. It was just so large and so powerful. - The Zoocifer -

Simply brilliant!

They blew my mind with Elevation too...but when DON'T they?

follower · 06-24-2002, 09:32 PM

Interesting idea lazyboy

Lets see...I have 4 Popmart boots and 6 Elevation, but I tend to listen to the Popmart ones more often. Anyways I�ll try to make my choices:

Until the End of the World - I�d choose Elevation, the opening night being my fave

I Will Follow - Popmart all the way! Funkier than Elevation, simply great (the greatest opening combo ever...Pop Muzik/Mofo/I Will Follow!)

Mysterious Ways - gotta go with Popmart again, again funkier than Elevation (although nothing beats ZOO TV performances...the belly dance and all...)

New Years Day - again Popmart, a song powerful enough to make a whole stadium literally shake

Where The Streets Have no Name - definitely Popmart, especially preceeded for Please, a truly redemption song in Popmart)

Bullet the Blue Sky - I�d choose Elevation, the performances with Bono rant in the end

With Or Without You - again Popmart, perfect preceeded for If You Wear That Velvet Dress.

I would like to add One - another Popmart standout for me, the version from Sarajevo is one of the most moving I have ever heard.

rafmed · 06-24-2002, 09:44 PM

Until The End of The World : Not much diference
I Will Follow: Popmart
Mysterious Ways: Popmart
New Years Day: Popmart
Where The Streets Have No Name: Popmart (please rocks with it)
Bullet The Blue Sky: Elevation
With or Without You: Elevation

lazyboy · 06-25-2002, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by follower
Interesting idea lazyboy

Sarcasm huh?

Hehe, yeah, I know, Pop Pop Pop, but never really looked at it this way did we? And looks like Popmart is winning the vote here in this mini concert comparison! I'd love to see that style with some of the ATYCLB songs, wicked!

And good luck tomorrow Follower, hope yer boys give Turkey a spanking!!

follower · 06-25-2002, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lazyboy

Sarcasm huh? Hehe, yeah, I know, Pop Pop Pop, but never really looked at it this way did we? And looks like Popmart is winning the vote here in this mini concert comparison! I'd love to see that style with some of the ATYCLB songs, wicked!

And good luck tomorrow Follower, hope yer boys give Turkey a spanking!!

Yup lazyirishboy

I do think you had an interesting idea, because we�re comparing classic songs, from previous albuns, that have been fairly played in both tours. Too bad they didn�t play The Fly during Popmart...I can only imagine how it would be.

Last but not least, a big thank you for your best wishes on our match tomorrow. We�re ready

GypsyHeartgirl · 06-25-2002, 11:47 PM

Please consider before you declare victory that most who prefer Elevation are just plain not going post. Once again, because only the Pop crowd will post, it looks like it wins. We will never really know.

06-23-2002, 09:15 PM	#1
lazyboy War Child Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Clare, Ireland Posts: 647 Local Time: 08:08 PM	Popmart V Elevation I know this place is seriously split on this issue. Well, almost nobody has serious problems with Elevation, it generally went safe and just plainly kicked ass. But Popmart definitely gets wayyy too much of a hard time from some people round here. Fair enough, all entitled to your own opinions. Now listen here, this ain't even a thread to proclaim either better, I'm really just trying to grasp a bit of respect for Pop. The only way you can truly compare both is to compare the key songs that featured in BOTH tours. So here is my opinion. If anyone wants to drop theirs, just say which tour's version you preferred. And feel free to add any songs I forgot. Until The End of The World : Popmart I Will Follow: Popmart Mysterious Ways: Popmart New Years Day: Popmart Where The Streets Have No Name: Popmart Bullet The Blue Sky: Popmart With or Without You: Elevation I didn't include any Pop songs because Popmart was built around some of them so obviously it was better in those cases, like Discotheque. So, IMO, from those 7 commonplace songs, umm, 6-1 to Popmart. I did this as I was listening to bootlegs from both tours, and well, all the above MUSICALLY appear better to me on Popmart. Bullet stands out, way way funkier. The funky edge to the songs gets me anyway. As I said, feel free to add others like ISHFWILF and EBTTRT but I hadn't heard/seen enough versions of these from both tours. Be honest now! With at least those 7, which do you prefer?! __________________

06-23-2002, 09:49 PM	#2
wertsie Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: on a country road... Posts: 4,752 Local Time: 03:08 PM	Hey, you'll never hear me disrespecting POP or Popmart! 1997 was the best time of my life up to this point. It was beyond amazing! __________________

06-24-2002, 01:50 AM	#11
Salome you are what you is Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Netherlands Posts: 22,077 Local Time: 09:08 PM	I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For was better on POPMart that would be about it I loved POPMart though it did have soul __________________ “Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.” ~Frank Zappa

06-24-2002, 03:37 AM	#12
christiana New Yorker Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 2,703 Local Time: 04:08 AM	Re: Popmart V Elevation Hm... IMO Until The End of The World : I think both versions are pretty much the same, but I love the Popmart version a bit more. I Will Follow: Yep. Popmart. Mysterious Ways: I like the Elevation version of it more. Agree with jphelmet, it doesn't belong in the encore. New Years Day: Popmart. Where The Streets Have No Name: The Please intro is always my favourite intro to Street. Popmart. Bullet The Blue Sky: Popmart. I don't like the Elevation version. With or Without You: Love the version in Popmart Mexico, but the Elevation version is really good too. A bit hard to choose, but... I'll choose Popmart. I Still Haven't Found...: Popmart. My favourite version of this song. I'm still a big fan of both tour...

06-25-2002, 11:47 PM	#20
GypsyHeartgirl POP for GIRLS Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Stuck in the 80's! Posts: 1,277 Local Time: 03:08 PM	Please consider before you declare victory that most who prefer Elevation are just plain not going post. Once again, because only the Pop crowd will post, it looks like it wins. We will never really know. __________________

06-23-2002, 09:51 PM	#4
U2Kitten Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 17,927 Local Time: 03:08 PM	Not only was Elevation superior musically, Bono's voice was much better. Elevation all the way!

06-23-2002, 10:38 PM	#5
SkeeK The Original Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hamilton, ON Posts: 4,163 Local Time: 03:08 PM	I gotta say I definately prefer Elevation I Will Follow over Popmart's And I put Bullet to Elevation, too. Otherwise I think I agree. though some of them are almost too close to call.

06-23-2002, 11:40 PM	#6
The Wanderer Kid A Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Holy Roman Empire Posts: 5,271 Local Time: 03:08 PM	all the PopMart versions, Bullet might be a toss up though but only with the Elevation Tour versions that featured the Mark Chapman rant at the end, but again, that was only used for the final part of the first leg of the US tour, so overall PopMart Bullet gets the Edge also, Please was better on PopMart, Staring at the Sun was a carbon copy

06-23-2002, 11:47 PM	#7
Dustybot The Fly Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 227 Local Time: 08:08 PM	Until The End of The World : Elevation I Will Follow: Elevation Mysterious Ways: Popmart New Years Day: Elevation Where The Streets Have No Name: Elevation Bullet The Blue Sky: Elevation With or Without You: Elevation I like PopMart, but Bono's voice was just not there like it was on the Elevation tour. And for the most part I like the presentation of the songs better on Elevation. And I'll add that All I Want Is You, One, and Gone all sounded better to me during Elevation.

06-23-2002, 11:51 PM	#8
adamswildhoney ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere in NorCal Posts: 10,333 Local Time: 12:08 PM	I loved Popmart because that was the first time that I saw U2 in concert, but I really enjoyed Elevation because I got to see them 3 times during the tour.

06-23-2002, 11:54 PM	#9
jphelmet Refugee Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: cumming, ga usa Posts: 1,462 Local Time: 04:08 PM	Until The End of The World : same/ same theatrics, i dont really hear a difference musically) I Will Follow: elevation (like the longer version, and the pure horror of how badly it was played on the first 10 or so dates of popmart makes elevation have the edge) Mysterious Ways: Elevation- never thought it belonged in the encore. New Years Day: Popmart Where The Streets Have No Name: Elevation- way better i prefer the bad to 40 to streets intro, and i never liked the ending of the popmart tour) Bullet The Blue Sky: Elevation (Edge's solo- way better elevation) With or Without You: Popmart- love the mexico city version Gone- say the same, although i love the boston dvd ending Discotheque-I'll say elevation, liked edge's guitar, sounded harsher on the elevation tour to me. Please- Popmart, although really liked accousitc version on elevation. Sunday Bloody Sunday- Elevation, edge's version was excellent for just himself, but the full band version always better. One- Elevation- the last leg of elevation was the best versions i've ever heard them do. I loved both tours. Elevation was better overall musically especailly if you take the first month of shows of popmart- which even the band admits was pretty bad musically for U2 standards. Plus Bono's voice was better for Elevation. I would says its a pretty close if you stack the best shows of both tours against each other. For me the setlist (Bad, Like ATYCLB better than Pop songs+ Walk On ending better than One) and the overall feel of the indoor shows makes Elevation better.

06-24-2002, 01:03 AM	#10
Zoocifer Acrobat Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: On the sheer face of love Posts: 387 Local Time: 02:08 PM	Well - My heart will always belong to Pop and Popmart. I loved Elevation, but Popmart was just a better era in my opinion. I love the technology that went in to it and how U2 could still blow people's minds. It was just so large and so powerful. As for the preferred versions: One: Popmart. I don't know why, but Bono's voice, to me, sounds a whole lot better. Where the Streets Have No Name: It's a tie. I love the long version from Popmart but I love the intensity from Elevation. The song from Popmart seemed a whole lot glossier, but Elevation was back to emotion and inspiration. With or Without You: Popmart. Longer and Bono's voice was much stronger (in my opinion, at least). I will Follow: Elevation. I still think that this song could be a hit single if it were released tomorrow. Mysterious Ways: Popmart. Even though I love the intro-riff from Elevation - Popmart's ending was a whole lot better. I love the Popmart Mexico version. Discotheque: Elevation. Though I loved the lemon, the sound from Elevation was stronger and more raw. A great mix between dance and rock. Perhaps someday people will see how great of a song it is. Bullet the Blue Sky: Tie. I loved Bono's speech at the end of Elevation but Popmart had a little bit more balls in it. Also the amazing visuals from the Popmart screen helped. Until the end of the World: Elevation. I love Bono swinging that guitar around during Popmart, but Elevation had the excellent ending (the screeching of the guitar). Gone: Popmart. Bono's falcetto at the end - just grand. Sunday Bloody Sunday: Elevation. No contest. "Johnny was a good man..." New Year's Day: Elevation. Bono yelling again was great. Please: Popmart. No contest. Staring at the Sun: Elevation. When I say Elevation I mean when they tagged it to the end of "Discotheque". The solo acoustic version is just a tad too bland for me. Wake Up Deadman: Popmart. No real difference but hearing it in the Popmart Mexico video was great. All I want is You: Popmart. The Sarajevo version is amazing with the edition of "many rivers to cross" (I think that's the tune). And I love how Bono would add many different lyrics at the end. Desire: Elevation. When the full band joined in it was fun and very entertaining. I Still Haven't Found What I'm looking for: Popmart. Bono's voice was a little weak, yes - but you can't beat "stand by me" at the end. Pride (In the Name of Love): Elevation. No contest. It seemed like they played it at Popmart just to play it. Bad: Elevation. No contest. They played it a few times at Popmart and they sounded so drained when they did. - The Zoocifer -

06-24-2002, 02:05 PM	#14
lazyboy War Child Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Clare, Ireland Posts: 647 Local Time: 08:08 PM	That's cool, alot of positive vibes for Popmart! Again I say it's not really declaring either as the king, I was just wondering what people who thought Popmart overall kinda sucked made of the songs in question. It was just a feeling I got everytime I watched/heard those songs from Popmart, like more enjoyable than Elevation versions! Clearly to me anyway. Interesting too the way some thought Bono's voice was better on Popmart, and others Elevation. Just get 2 versions where he is on top form, can't go wrong. Thanks for the feedback anyway guys, thought I was the only 1 thinking that way!

06-24-2002, 09:32 PM	#16
follower Refugee Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Porto Alegre/Brasil Posts: 2,302 Local Time: 05:08 PM	Interesting idea lazyboy Lets see...I have 4 Popmart boots and 6 Elevation, but I tend to listen to the Popmart ones more often. Anyways I�ll try to make my choices: Until the End of the World - I�d choose Elevation, the opening night being my fave I Will Follow - Popmart all the way! Funkier than Elevation, simply great (the greatest opening combo ever...Pop Muzik/Mofo/I Will Follow!) Mysterious Ways - gotta go with Popmart again, again funkier than Elevation (although nothing beats ZOO TV performances...the belly dance and all...) New Years Day - again Popmart, a song powerful enough to make a whole stadium literally shake Where The Streets Have no Name - definitely Popmart, especially preceeded for Please, a truly redemption song in Popmart) Bullet the Blue Sky - I�d choose Elevation, the performances with Bono rant in the end With Or Without You - again Popmart, perfect preceeded for If You Wear That Velvet Dress. I would like to add One - another Popmart standout for me, the version from Sarajevo is one of the most moving I have ever heard.

06-24-2002, 09:44 PM	#17
rafmed Refugee Join Date: May 2001 Location: On the moon's belly button Posts: 1,255 Local Time: 02:08 PM	Until The End of The World : Not much diference I Will Follow: Popmart Mysterious Ways: Popmart New Years Day: Popmart Where The Streets Have No Name: Popmart (please rocks with it) Bullet The Blue Sky: Elevation With or Without You: Elevation

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