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Old 03-06-2005, 12:35 PM   #1
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October did not fail because of the music, it failed because....

we got a pretty intense pop thread on here. but that made me relize something.


my qustion is, has anyone ever stood up for october the way people stand up for pop? lol (im guity of not giving attention to oct myself). i mean the band can slag pop all they want, at least pop will make it and has to future setlists. they don;t even acknowledge october. they put one song from october as HIDDEN TRACK on the best of. how about a instead of pop vs ATYCLB, we have pop vs october. if pop is the red headed stepchild, then whats october? lol. why didn't they put new mixes of october on a best of? they didn't wanna even bother with it. instead of starting a new thread, how you guys feel about pop vs october. cause pop is getting treated like its the lowpoint of thier career, but what about october? should they put new mixes of october out? i think thiers some strong stuff on october like fire that u2 should bring back. so take this discussion on pop and apply toward october. two of u2's lowest sellers ( right? anyone got the actuly numbers?) pop is cristicized, october is just out right ignorned. it;s not even worth slaging apprently.
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October has some of my all time fav songs on it. Tomorrow, Gloria, I threw a brick, Scarlet.
A great album IMO.
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Despite being a sensational album featuring wonderful songs like Gloria, Fire, Tomorrow, October, and Scarlet, October is seen as the bastard child everyone would rather forget. I don't understand why. It's such a wonderful album.
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They don't play any songs from October because, I believe, Bono doesn't like the lyrics on it...if you remember he lost the notebook they were in and had improvise the whole thing from memory. He probably remembers what it could have been and that makes him dislike what it is.

But I do think it's brilliant. At the moment I like it the most out of the first three records.
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October is great! It's a record with passion, energy and faith of course. Why does it not get dissed as much Pop? Cos it's so far back in time, that's why! I'm sure at least some of the people arguing about Pop don't even know about October.
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well mabey its time they did,lol via this thread.
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I like October. Always have. In fact I think sometimes U2 could benefit by tossing all their planned material aside and just "making up the songs as they go" (for an album). They'd probably get crucified for it, but I'd love to see what they'd come up with if they went to the studio for just one month without any songs pre-planned or re-worked, previously unreleased older material.
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I like October. Always have. In fact I think sometimes U2 could benefit by tossing all their planned material aside and just "making up the songs as they go" (for an album). They'd probably get crucified for it, but I'd love to see what they'd come up with if they went to the studio for just one month without any songs pre-planned or re-worked, previously unreleased older material.
That's pretty much what they did in the late 80s and bulk of the 90s. When ATYCLB was released, I remember reading quotes from Bono about how that was the first time ever that U2 had written all the songs before going into the studio.
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so what singles did they release from october? and was it the correct order?
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so what singles did they release from october? and was it the correct order?
Only two. Gloria and Fire.
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You know, one of the albums HAS to be the weakest. That's just the way it is. While U2 may not have any BAD albums, one is just going to be behind the rest of the pack

The reason why it's easy to point to October is because it's very similar to Boy, but is missing some of the energy of the debut album. It's not a rare thing. A lot of bands have been waiting their whole lives to release their first album, and it's usually a call to arms. Boy is no different. Compared to something like Guns 'n' Roses' Appetite for Destruction or R.E.M.'s Murmur it isn't a superlative debut record, but it's still very good.

October isn't different enough from its predecessor to make a stronger impression, and on a song by song basis it's slightly weaker by comparison. They try a couple new things but there's not a marked artistic growth there.

While you could say similar things about War, Sunday Bloody Sunday and New Year's Day are clearly giant steps up in terms of songwriting and musicianship. While the album has a couple clunkers on it, the sheer power of the band sounds much increased. So it doesn't surprise me that many people like this the best of the first three.

October has a lot of champions who talk about its greatness, but frankly those people are a minority. I don't remember which album was voted off first in the last albums poll, but I'm pretty sure this was gone right after Passengers and Under a Blood Red Sky (which shouldn't have been on the list anyway).

I'd say Bravo to U2 for having their weakest album that far back in their catalog. Many other bands have big missteps later in their careers.


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Bono even said that he was disappointed with October because he lost the briefcase of lyrics before it came out and he had to come up with new stuff in a hurry.
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I think October is far better than Pop, despite the fact that October was probably more unfinished than Pop was (what with Bono losing his lyrics, and all). There's just something so...I don't know, desolate about the album that I just love. It's very moving and emotional. I prepared myself for the worst when I originally bought it, because fans in countless U2 forums slag it off repeatedly. I was so pleasantly surprised when I listened to it for the first time. For me, it's far easier to connect with October than it is to connect with Pop. If I were to compare the songs from both albums, based upon preference, this is how it would go:

Gloria
Do You Feel Loved?
I Threw A Brick Through A Window
Rejoice
Staring At The Sun
Tomorrow
Gone
With A Shout
Stranger In A Strange Land
Scarlet
Please

(I'll exclude Wake Up Dead Man)

October is a brilliant album, in my opinion, so I find it rather difficult to see why so many people ignore it completely.
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the problem with october was the hair. seriously. bad hair. and not enough singles and marketing. not enough giant lemon shaped spaceships. AND no BOOM-CHAs. no enormous video screens either. also, the lyrics just arent as sexy as anything on pop.

'with my nails under your hide'
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so how about some new mixes for october? or even new lyrics? tommoro has long been blasted for getting aggresive halfway throguh the song for no reason. making rookie mistakes.
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Re: October did not fail because of the music, it failed because....

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we got a pretty intense pop thread on here. but that made me relize something.


my qustion is, has anyone ever stood up for october the way people stand up for pop? lol (im guity of not giving attention to oct myself). i mean the band can slag pop all they want, at least pop will make it and has to future setlists. they don;t even acknowledge october. they put one song from october as HIDDEN TRACK on the best of. how about a instead of pop vs ATYCLB, we have pop vs october. if pop is the red headed stepchild, then whats october? lol. why didn't they put new mixes of october on a best of? they didn't wanna even bother with it. instead of starting a new thread, how you guys feel about pop vs october. cause pop is getting treated like its the lowpoint of thier career, but what about october? should they put new mixes of october out? i think thiers some strong stuff on october like fire that u2 should bring back. so take this discussion on pop and apply toward october. two of u2's lowest sellers ( right? anyone got the actuly numbers?) pop is cristicized, october is just out right ignorned. it;s not even worth slaging apprently.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure October failed because of the music.

Although it's a tad hard to fail when you haven't even had success yet. Outside of Ireland and parts of England, U2 were being played on college radio stations. They didn't have very big exposure. But also:

October sucks.







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October sucks.

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I can see an impending stampede... an army of October fanatics coming your way.
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I can see an impending stampede... an army of October fanatics coming your way.
Bring 'em on! I was born in October, so I speak with authority.

Bring it on, ya' bastards!

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October is my fav album, It has really good songs on it such as Gloria, I fall down, I threw a brick through a window, Fire,Tomorrow and october. This is u2's best album.
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is that all? was track not realy needed. i like fire and gloria alot. and they havn;t played anything from it since the 80's. as far as i know. i thoguht the only chance you have is october track itself being played, into new years day. as far as being played in 2005.
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