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Headache in a Suitcase · 03-13-2019, 05:51 PM

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I find it incredibly unlikely that Rubin became one of the most prolific and most sought after producers in music history because "any average producer can do what he does"

That's just a ridiculous statement.

super fly guy · 03-13-2019, 05:55 PM

Apart from GOYOW American Soul and LandLady,SOE is a great album. Love is all we have left and 13 are fantastic openers and closers. Love this album.

Iggy Fizz · 03-13-2019, 06:02 PM

so it's the kind of trouble that you enjoy? OK.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-13-2019, 06:18 PM

I’m beating a dead horse but what the heck is so wrong with GOOYOW?

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-13-2019, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I’m beating a dead horse but what the heck is so wrong with GOOYOW?

Other than that it shouldn't have been a single, I find nothing offensive about the song.

It's fairly derivative of Beautiful Day, and isn't exactly their most inspiring creative work - which I guess is what the issue for most is. But in and of itself it's harmless.

kabigon · 03-13-2019, 06:39 PM

And it's bookended by Best Thing and American Soul, conjuring recollections of NLOTH's ill-fated trilogy.

HansaTonImbiss · 03-13-2019, 07:34 PM

So on the Rubin argument- everyone is entitled to their opinion but calling him talentless or overrated is a bit crazy. The guy basically reinvented rap production for a pop audience and also modernized the recording style for hard rock from "echo chamber tap chords with effects and pedals" to a more range - oriented structure focused on vocals and simplicity. His work with the Peppers in the 90s and System of a Down later speaks to this, as does his work with Cash. License to Ill was revolutionary for its era and people who overlook that probably forget what other contemporary artists sounded like in that genre.

What is also true is that rumors of how direct (or indirect) a hand Rubin plays with his artists in the studio, particularly in more recent years, have only increased. He has had a series of trusted engineers he works with and the rep is that they routinely do 75% of the work while he occasionally Skypes in to add thoughts before taking lead in mastering and sequencing. He also lets the artists bang the songs and shapes out before he adds his touch at the later period. For a band like Green Day or the Peppers, who have a well developed style of songwriting/instrumentation and bring song ideas to the studio, that makes sense. For a band like U2, who prefer to improvise and change course often during their early sketches for an album, it sounds like a completely incompatible match. Rubin is about as far away as you can get from Eno and Lanois, who at many phases of U2's recording life were the 5th and 6th members of the band, at least in the studio.

I have gripes with all U2 producers (mostly Lillywhite) but it's clear that at least personality-wise, Eno and Lanois were their best match. The body of work shows that, and same would be true of Rubin and many of his artists. Scott Litt was a perfect fit for REM. Hugh Padgham could tolerate 3 colossal egos with the Police and made classics. Managing personalities is perhaps more of a mark of many effective producers than some realize. My hope is they find someone, like Barlow, who can channel their creativity again as well.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-13-2019, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Other than that it shouldn't have been a single, I find nothing offensive about the song.

It's fairly derivative of Beautiful Day, and isn't exactly their most inspiring creative work - which I guess is what the issue for most is. But in and of itself it's harmless.

Sure, fine, fair to all of that. The Miracle wasn’t exactly a great single either but it’s not a turdable song. Arguably one of the more forgettable ones from SOI. But it’s not necessarily bad or Boots.

But yeah, GOOYOW is benign and otherwise should’ve been more of a segue into something more interesting. Its music video had bigger balls than it, sure. I’ll say that. But none of these criticisms make it a bad song. They just highlight how U2 makes bad track-listing and release decisions.

Like, wasn’t the track listing order on TJT decided by a vote or something?

DaveC · 03-13-2019, 08:05 PM

can we please all just agree to call the song get out instead of that ridiculous acronym

LemonMelon · 03-13-2019, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveC

can we please all just agree to call the song get out instead of that ridiculous acronym

I've been calling it GOO Your Own Way for a while now.

HansaTonImbiss · 03-13-2019, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

I've been calling it GOO Your Own Way for a while now.

Gross.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-13-2019, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveC

can we please all just agree to call the song get out instead of that ridiculous acronym

Gooey yow

Get Out is a great movie.

GOO Your Own Way is a bad text rendition of a Fleetwood Mac song.

GOOEYWOYAYAY

DaveC · 03-13-2019, 09:12 PM

how is it possible that you're more stoned than i am?

LuckyNumber7 · 03-13-2019, 09:36 PM

It’s not possible.

DaveC · 03-13-2019, 10:24 PM

didn't think so

lazarus · 03-14-2019, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveC

can we please all just agree to call the song get out instead of that ridiculous acronym

I mean, I would definitely hate the song either way, but that acronym brings it to a fiery intensity.

As for what's wrong with it, I'd say what's good about it? It's totally watered down and generic 2000s pseudo-inspo U2 with awful lyrics crammed into too few bars per measure, or whatever the correct musical term is.

The worst single they've ever released.

AndrewCowley · 03-14-2019, 03:06 AM

I like GOOYOW.

There.

Prefer this to silliness like RBW and Volcano. The vocals on both are incredibly cringeworthy. Classic Bono such as that on GOOYOW works better for me.

LemonMelon · 03-14-2019, 03:50 AM

I'd take Raised By Wolves (and California, Sleep Like a Baby and The Troubles) over nearly anything on SOE.

AndrewCowley · 03-14-2019, 04:02 AM

No complaints with the last 4 songs on SOI.

What’s funny is that most of us can make a great album out of SOI and SOE combined. Different results for different people though. There is definitely a great album in there. Travesty that Invisible never got a place.

Axver · 03-14-2019, 04:12 AM

Calling GOOYOW "Get Out" makes it sound far more edgy than it deserves.

Also, GOOYOW requires fewer keystrokes than "Get Out", but hey if you want to be one of those people in the same club as those who call Pride "PITNOL", don't let me stop you.

03-13-2019, 05:51 PM	#1041
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 72,024 Local Time: 03:10 PM	Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I find it incredibly unlikely that Rubin became one of the most prolific and most sought after producers in music history because "any average producer can do what he does" That's just a ridiculous statement. __________________

03-13-2019, 05:55 PM	#1042
super fly guy Refugee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dundee,scotland Posts: 2,444 Local Time: 07:10 PM	Apart from GOYOW American Soul and LandLady,SOE is a great album. Love is all we have left and 13 are fantastic openers and closers. Love this album. __________________

03-14-2019, 04:12 AM	#1060
Axver Vocal parasite Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: 1853 Posts: 152,977 Local Time: 05:10 AM	Calling GOOYOW "Get Out" makes it sound far more edgy than it deserves. Also, GOOYOW requires fewer keystrokes than "Get Out", but hey if you want to be one of those people in the same club as those who call Pride "PITNOL", don't let me stop you. __________________ __________________ "Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard Ian McCulloch the U2 fan: "Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat." "And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth." U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database! Gig pictures \| Blog

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03-13-2019, 06:02 PM	#1043
Iggy Fizz War Child Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: A planet far, far away Posts: 718 Local Time: 11:10 AM	so it's the kind of trouble that you enjoy? OK.

03-13-2019, 06:18 PM	#1044
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,307 Local Time: 02:10 PM	I’m beating a dead horse but what the heck is so wrong with GOOYOW?

03-13-2019, 06:39 PM	#1046
kabigon Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,228 Local Time: 06:10 AM	And it's bookended by Best Thing and American Soul, conjuring recollections of NLOTH's ill-fated trilogy.

03-13-2019, 07:34 PM	#1047
HansaTonImbiss Acrobat Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 401 Local Time: 07:10 PM	So on the Rubin argument- everyone is entitled to their opinion but calling him talentless or overrated is a bit crazy. The guy basically reinvented rap production for a pop audience and also modernized the recording style for hard rock from "echo chamber tap chords with effects and pedals" to a more range - oriented structure focused on vocals and simplicity. His work with the Peppers in the 90s and System of a Down later speaks to this, as does his work with Cash. License to Ill was revolutionary for its era and people who overlook that probably forget what other contemporary artists sounded like in that genre. What is also true is that rumors of how direct (or indirect) a hand Rubin plays with his artists in the studio, particularly in more recent years, have only increased. He has had a series of trusted engineers he works with and the rep is that they routinely do 75% of the work while he occasionally Skypes in to add thoughts before taking lead in mastering and sequencing. He also lets the artists bang the songs and shapes out before he adds his touch at the later period. For a band like Green Day or the Peppers, who have a well developed style of songwriting/instrumentation and bring song ideas to the studio, that makes sense. For a band like U2, who prefer to improvise and change course often during their early sketches for an album, it sounds like a completely incompatible match. Rubin is about as far away as you can get from Eno and Lanois, who at many phases of U2's recording life were the 5th and 6th members of the band, at least in the studio. I have gripes with all U2 producers (mostly Lillywhite) but it's clear that at least personality-wise, Eno and Lanois were their best match. The body of work shows that, and same would be true of Rubin and many of his artists. Scott Litt was a perfect fit for REM. Hugh Padgham could tolerate 3 colossal egos with the Police and made classics. Managing personalities is perhaps more of a mark of many effective producers than some realize. My hope is they find someone, like Barlow, who can channel their creativity again as well.

03-13-2019, 08:05 PM	#1049
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the teeth of the hydra Posts: 22,713 Local Time: 03:10 PM	can we please all just agree to call the song get out instead of that ridiculous acronym

03-13-2019, 09:12 PM	#1053
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the teeth of the hydra Posts: 22,713 Local Time: 03:10 PM	how is it possible that you're more stoned than i am?

03-13-2019, 09:36 PM	#1054
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,307 Local Time: 02:10 PM	It’s not possible.

03-13-2019, 10:24 PM	#1055
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the teeth of the hydra Posts: 22,713 Local Time: 03:10 PM	didn't think so

03-14-2019, 03:06 AM	#1057
AndrewCowley Refugee Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,288 Local Time: 06:10 AM	I like GOOYOW. There. Prefer this to silliness like RBW and Volcano. The vocals on both are incredibly cringeworthy. Classic Bono such as that on GOOYOW works better for me.

03-14-2019, 03:50 AM	#1058
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,765 Local Time: 12:10 PM	I'd take Raised By Wolves (and California, Sleep Like a Baby and The Troubles) over nearly anything on SOE.

03-14-2019, 04:02 AM	#1059
AndrewCowley Refugee Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,288 Local Time: 06:10 AM	No complaints with the last 4 songs on SOI. What’s funny is that most of us can make a great album out of SOI and SOE combined. Different results for different people though. There is definitely a great album in there. Travesty that Invisible never got a place.