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Old 01-09-2002, 02:49 PM   #1
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Is Bono conceited?

There's this man I work with, who I always thought was pretty smart when it came to music and stuff, and he told me he watched the DVD. Then he said that he thinks Bono was conceited on the dvd. I was a bit taken back- then asked him where (I can't have just a one sentance conversation w/ someone about U2). He told me that he just got the sense he was conceited, like when he asked the audience "how we doin' tonight".. I explained that's probably because he hurt his voice in Albany, hadn't done so well the night before, etc.. he didn't seem too convinced.

I totally don't get this impression. Even not being biased, I don't. lol - serious! I mean, maybe AB he could say that, b/c of the personas Bono donned but that'd just be b/c he didn't know anything deep about the band.

Do other non-u2 fanatics think this too? or maybe even some of us- i can't quite understand this one.



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I can see that a teeny bit, but no more than usual for a rock star of his caliber, or whatever. Now, if you were to go back say, 15 years, I'd have a different opinion.

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HelloAngel: I don't agree with your statement of saying that most rock stars and actors are conceited. In fact most actors I know, myself included, are highly insecure about some things and that is why they have to "act" or do what they do. They may over-do this fake conceited personna in order to make up for their insecurities.

I think Bono may be in the same boat. But I, of course, do not know Bono.

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Bono's got a big ego, but what makes him so endearing is that he's usually the first one willing to deflate it. You also have to have a hell of a lot of confidence to do what he does as a performer and sometimes people mistake confidence for vanity. In any case, I saw humility on the Elevation Tour that was very refreshing.
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HelloAngel: I don't agree with your statement of saying that most rock stars and actors are conceited. In fact most actors I know, myself included, are highly insecure about some things and that is why they have to "act" or do what they do. They may over-do this fake conceited personna in order to make up for their insecurities.

I think Bono may be in the same boat. But I, of course, do not know Bono.


The only reason I would make a statement such as the one you highlighted is because my experience(s) with famous actors and famous musicians is that most are conceited. I don't know if you're famous, or a non-famous working actor (hell, I'm an actor, too)- but I was just stating my belief based on my experiences with some of the "biggest" in both businesses. Take from that what you will.
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Originally posted by HelloAngel:

The only reason I would make a statement such as the one you highlighted is because my experience(s) with famous actors and famous musicians is that most are conceited. I don't know if you're famous, or a non-famous working actor (hell, I'm an actor, too)- but I was just stating my belief based on my experiences with some of the "biggest" in both businesses. Take from that what you will.
I totally agree with you, HelloAngel. I've come into close contact with many famous people through my work and 95% of them are egotistical horrors--worse than I would've even imagined. By comparison, Bono is like the guy next door. Like I said above, he's more confident than vain, in my opinion. He pokes fun at himself, which most conceited people cannot do, plus his bandmates and Dubliners help to keep his ego in check.
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"I'm amazed that music, something you're born with,
has given me such a life. What saves you finally from arrogance is knowing
the thing in life that's given you the most was itself a gift." -- Bono

Doesn't that say it all?

Besides, I don't understand how people can criticise Bono's involvement in Jubilee 2000/Drop the Debt.

Maybe I'm incredibly naive, but I just can't believe that anyone could be so dedicated to a campaign if their only reason for involvement was their own personal gain.

I've been involved with various campaigns, only on a very small scale, obviously, but to me, what motivates you to become involved is the belief that you can make a difference. What makes you keep getting out there and fighting for something even when you're completely fucking exhausted and want to hide away in a room and lock the entire world out, isn't selfishness or desire for some sort of personal gain. It's the belief that you can have a positive impact on people's lives and maybe in some small way you can contribute to making the world a better place.

Then again, sometimes when you get a good outcome from something you've been working on, you just want to grab people on the street and hug them and say "look what we achieved! Isn't it fantastic!"

It's not the same as saying "look how fantastic I am" though - it's just that you're so happy and so proud to have been involved in something that you can't help yourself from sharing that joy.

Maybe you can feel that way about music too. Sometimes I've been so overwhelmed by a piece of music that I've wanted to grab the nearest person and put my headphones over their ears and show them how beautiful it is. Sometimes the only thing that stops me is a desire to live my life outside of a mental institution

So what I'm saying is that I don't think it's conceit or arrogance, I think it's just that sometimes you're so happy about something that it's impossible not to share it with someone.

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Doesn't that say it all?
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Some ppl misinterpret me this way also..
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projection...though I do think you have to have an ego to go up in front of 20,000 people.

What your friend heard I've heard the same from lots of rock stars. I think it's kind of a challenge to the audience to get with the program.
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Well, there's lots of (misguided) reasons folks have found over the years to call Bono conceited, but in this specific instance I really think it's merely overlooking the context: "I'm singin' all right tonight, aren't I?" i.e. as opposed to in Albany! As in, "My voice is all right tonight..." Unfortunately, he just made the observation before explaining why he made it...

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HAHAHAHA!!! BONO CONCEITED - THAT A LAUGH!

A HAM most defintely, but not conceited. Didn't he see where Hamish tells Bono to "ham it up like a rockstar".

If any have been accused of conceit - it would be Adam; but then again when you've got 140 Millions plus - you can be whatever you want. (even a conceited rockstar.)



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hmmm...well, I will agree that Bono has a bit of a 'pious' air about him...but heck, he's been in a hugely famous/popular rock group for 20 years, he's extremely intelligent, he writes--and even speaks--in way that most 'mere music mortals' don't seem to understand (I read somewhere about how Bono's whole vocabulary is peppered with phrases and sayings, just made for quoting in articles and magazines...it's just normal speech for him).

I think Bono, and U2 in general, are people that one almost has to 'study' to a degree to understand them better. Their music is complex, their lyrics deep and ethereal, their faith is confusing, their humanitarianism seems grandiose and self-aggrandizing, and they are outspoken and are not afraid to voice their opinions. Many people are afraid of that. I guess they just don't understand our Bono, do they? *shrugs*

I LOVE the guy, and I'll take him no matter how he comes across to anyone else. I know the world is definitely a better place because of him being in it.

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I can see why some people would find Bono conceited. Even some fans I talk to finds him that. Somewhere I read that noone laughs at Bono like he does himself.
Like some here already has mentioned, you have to go behind that, dig deeper in to their background and read and listen more to them to understand what's up.

I'm reading 'Walk on - the spirituel journey of U2' right now, I guess more of you are since many got it for christmas. In the first chapter the author says:

"Many have been so obsessed with the cigar hanging out of Bono's mouth that they are missing the radical biblical agenda that has fired his life and work"

This pretty much sums it up, most non fans looks at him more then listens to him.
I also think he has this double persona or what to call it, one for fans to understand, a deep and humble one and one that gives the press, media what they want.
I bet he also likes to make fun of the media. Every time I've seen an interview with him and the reporter has asked a stupid question, he gets an even more stupid answer, that the reporter of course takes very serious.
I think you have to get the whole story to understand why he says certain stuff and if you take a sentence out of the air it might sound arrogant or pointless but when you look back you see the point.

Like the whole "i'm singing alright tonight" thing. Most people (non fan) don't know that his voice went up and down and was terrible in Albany a few nights earlier and of course this sentence sounds very ego to them, but for us who knows, we see the honestly happy smile on his face and knows that he's really happy to be able to sing as good as he did and wants to share that happiness out loud.

Oki, after all this rambling the conclusion is, at least for me, Bono is a tricky person that you have to look at from different angles to understand, and that's what makes him interesting. He always gives you something to think about.

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Strangely enough, I had a similiar reaction from a friend the other day. We went to high school together and haven't seen each other for eons, but we got in touch via IM and were chatting. When I mentioned that I was a U2 fan, he said something like, "I'd like U2 if it weren't for Bono." Of course, I was shocked and asked him what the hell he meant. He said he hated Bono's "attitude".

Just last night I sat and watched about 3 hours of U2 stuff (borrowed from a friend), much of it Bono-related (Charlie Rose special, etc.). I can't help but think that if people did their homework and listened to what the man is saying, they'd find that he makes FUN of himself at just about every possible juncture and seems to find the whole idea of rock star ego to be terribly embarrassing. So rather than protest and protest and claim innocence and try to show how "genuine" he is, he takes on the role people ignorantly categorize him in and plays it up to the hilt, like a parody.

Anyways, all that to say...bonk your coworker over the head and make him watch a serious interview with Bono one of these days.

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for me, there are so many people who have had it up to here with U2 and Bono. Around me anyway. They are sick to death hearing about what they call "their holier than thou attitide" and Bono's "god-like" persona.

For me I have to laugh. I've been around a long time and what I see is totally different from what "they" see. "They" see a band so full of themselves that their heads wouldn't fit in the same room together.

I see a band that "plays" up to the hype and "plays" it very well. It's an image that will be forever Bono and forever U2. I see a very down to earth very real bunch of guys who love to make music and who try and make people smile - which is more than I can say for alot of other bands.

..maybe I'm just babbling....but nonetheless when your coworker isn't lookin' get that big stick out and twack him on the head

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That's an interesting assessment of Bono.

Sometimes, I think he says holier than thou things - but then I think some of it it just his silly sense of humour. I think he seems like a very self-deprecating individual who isn't ashamed or sorry for his success, and also acknowledges on many occasions that he isn't good at anything else but being in a rock-n-roll band.

Rock stars and actors are very self-assured people - you have to be to do what they do. Some posture and preen and prance more than others (Mariah Carey is very guilty of this) but I think Bono is just aware of how good his band is - and I think U2's talent is something most rock fans cannot deny.

I know this lady who will take a look at any given actor and say "look how conceited they are!" even if the actor isn't posturing. I think some who think others are conceited might just feel inadequate compared to talented or attractive people such as Bono.
So throwing out the "conceited" or "big head" tag is a defense mechanism.
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I think a lot of people tend to feel that way about Bono. He's outspoken, driven, and is adamant in his views. Combine that with a rock star persona who's in the public eye and people are going to be quick to judge. But also these people who are quick to judge may not have a grasp of what Bono is really about. Maybe they're seeing just the surface, who knows?

I wouldn't elevate (no pun, really) Bono to superhero status but I admire him immensely. But he is human. I've seen statements and interviews where he has come across as conceited (namely from the Achtung era when he was talking to MTV - when asked about what he thought of older fans not digging the new material he said "Fuck em, who needs em.") Heck, even I was a bit miffed about that statement but then again turn about is fair play. If the older fans weren't willing to accept their new sound, U2 does have a right to make a statement about those who criticize.

I've heard people tell me that Bono is self important, a man with alterior motives to boost record sales. I've also heard people say he ended up jaded during the Achtung era when he developed his alter ego and strutted around in non-U2 form donning devil horms and mirrorball suits.

I say let the people make up their own minds and leave it at that. No matter what U2 does on the side or what they say, their music has always spoken much louder than words. It's the music first that brings people to the band. Everything after that (reading books, watching/listening/reading interviews) comes second.

I still think it's a bit cruel to bash someone's favorite band to their face. I try to make an effort not to do that, even if they happen to like music I abhor. Music means a lot to me, and a lot to other people - I try to extend to those people the same amount of respect I'd want if I were to go off talking about how much I liked a band or a singer or whatever.
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What's so conceited about saying "i'm singing allright tonight, aren't i?" with a smile to your fellow band member and being happy about it?

Bono has more than once said the whole stardom concept is silly and ridicoulus when it comes to music stars. And he very often makes fun of himself. (including DVD at the introductions)

He's a really down to earth guy, and VERY modest considering what he is and what he does.

Now his Drop the debt campaign is what i think bothers most people. Personally, i think it's great that a celebrity this magnitude does charity work.

ps: As for his "biggest band in the world" attitude, well, i should think any singer anywhere in the world thinks of his band that they are the best there is.
He's proud about their work - nothing wrong with that IMO.


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I'll never forget a picture he painted in my mind when he was speaking to people at MM after the TO gig in May.

He made a statement that said something to the effect....he is very needy....he needs the adoration...he needs the fans....as he said...why else would I be the lead singer of a rock 'n roll band. I know I don't have the words exactly right but for me...he said it very well...and put the whole rock star image into human terms.
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