Does "selling out" include politics?

[Ft. Worth Frog]

Actually, there were some black groups that formed as unofficial branches of the KKK in the 20s and 30s. They wanted racial separatism and also fought against the same moral decay the Klan claimed they were fighting. Not well publicized as you might imagine.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Actually, there were some black groups that formed as unofficial branches of the KKK in the 20s and 30s. They wanted racial separatism and also fought against the same moral decay the Klan claimed they were fighting. Not well publicized as you might imagine.

That's seriously twisted.

Angela

 

[Lilac]

I'll never be so PC that I won't make fun of Republicans and the "Christian" Right. I have many Republican friends, and I love them. I love busting their balls. And they love giving it right back.

Ah but you are PC enough to do the typiical,atypical, stereotypical, I-follow-a-certain-list-of-rules-of-acceptabilty thing by "tarring them all with the same brush"* and bashing them

*Bono's own terminology. I read it in an interview about him meeting with politicians. He said he used to to that, the labels, the stereotypes, the blanket condemnation, but he found out that each one deserves a chance and most are okay guys once you meet them. Not all think, feel or vote the same. The ones he didn't approve of, well, it was better to try to convince them and talk to them or compromise than to put them down. Remember, all hate is based on ignorance, so ALL groups deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Come on people, stop using such broad generalities wen describing people/parties. Isn't that exactly what you often accuse other people of doing? Reeks of hypocrisy if you ask me. The stereotype of only old white guys in country clubs being Republicans should have died a long time ago.

I HATE it when people who think they are so liberal, open minded and inclusive turn around and bash those who disagree with them. Yes that is hypocrisy, and the worst kind of double standard. It defeats the very purpose and image of what a liberal really means to be.

Also remember, there are actually Rebublican U2 fans, and some might even be gay or black, and some of 'them' might be stopping by here reading. Some of them might actually be among you right now. Do you really believe all Republicans don't like rock music and would never come here? That's pretty damn shallow and offensive.

 

[Lilac]

Gay Republicans? That's like a black man joining the KKK.

Just as gays always say there is so much more to them than their sexual orientation, there is also so much more to their politics. Just because a person is gay or black doesn't mean they follow the agenda of the liberals to a t. They also know that the social things will work themselves out a different way. I watched one of those news magazines one night about a gay male couple who hired a surrogate mother to have their child. One of the men admitted to being a Republican and staunchly anti-abortion because he believed it to be murder. Some gay and black people are Republicans because of the fiscal stands or policies on foreign trade, etc. Like there is more to a person than there color or sexual orientation there is more to their minds and and politics than to vote based only on one thing.

I swear, some of you 'liberals' here on this board are among the most closed minded, prejudiced people I have ever encountered.

 

[martha]

Also remember, there are actually Rebublican U2 fans,

Actually, there are shitloads of Republican U2 fans. I've seen 'em. They have short hair and get pissed at Bono for being so damn liberal with his views.

 

[martha]

and some might even be gay or black,

And why would the fans who are "even" gay or black be offended? We're slamming Republicans here. You have to go to FYM to get the gay-bashing. Usually that's done by the conservative U2 fans, though. We liberals like to keep our bashing to Republicans. They get so feisty!

 

[wolfeden]

I never could wrap my brain around 'conservative' U2 fans. Something about the music always having been about crossing the divides and knocking down the "walls", not building them up with hate and ignorance.....

 

[GhostranchHills]

I know Republicans who have long hair and smoke pot.

 

[martha]

I know Republicans who ... smoke pot.

This would explain a lot.

 

[GhostranchHills]

I was only trying to dispell the stereotype of boring old white man who doesn't like rock. They vote republican because they believe the dems are for big gov't and neo-socialism at the expense of the working poor and lower middle class(they may say they're for the poor but no one really is) They do not like their tax money being spent on programs they do not approve of. They also don't want it spent on the war in Iraq. But they are more concerned with the issues that affect everyday life here in the US.

 

[GhostranchHills]

As for myself I choose a protest vote of staying home. If they have less than a 40% voter turnout this year maybe they will see we are frustrated with the 2 party system and disgusted by the candidates offered.

 

[thrillme]

I'm a republican, I mean the pedantic definition of a republican, more closely fits me than a democrat, not the stereotypical definition.

I might be the only Mexican in the Republican party, but you know we never go anywhere alone, we're loud, party all the time, and can drink anyone under the table, we'll also be the ones cleaning up after the white people, and will speak Spanish thus making them wonder if we're talking about them, or the weather. (was making a point about stereotypes, not all true).

I assume we're talking American Republicans, as the word republican means something much different in Ireland. Ye know, Irish Republican Army.

Ooh, and a publican is a pub owner.

Well at least U2 fans are being fair about it, not letting democrats get off the hook with no problem using rock songs in their campaigns, but shudder and bash republicans for it, like a lot of rock fans.

*wonder if Kerry will try and speak Spanish like Gore*

It's really strange, usually you sound different speaking Spanish and English, but Gore sounded pretty much the same.

Mexicans love U2, did you see Popmart?

 

[david]

I stand corrected. Thank you.

This from the Miami Herald:
Politicians using music to rally support isn't new. Bill Clinton relied on Fleetwood Mac's Don't Stop to pump up crowds in 1992.

But musicians aren't always cooperative. When George W. Bush started playing Tom Petty's I Won't Back Down during his 2000 campaign, Petty's agent slapped the Bush campaign with a cease-and-desist order.

According to a Business Week magazine article, Petty's agent felt the use of the song gave the impression that Petty supported Bush.

I don't think Fleetwood Mac had a problem with Clinton using their song. They actually reunited and performed at his 1993 inauguration.

 

[wolfeden]

I don't think Fleetwood Mac had a problem with Clinton using their song. They actually reunited and performed at his 1993 inauguration.

Yes you're correct... in my precoffee haze I managed to cross the Tom Petty incident with Fleetwood Mac and generally made a bollocks of the point entirely.

 

[wolfeden]

I'm a republican, I mean the pedantic definition of a republican, more closely fits me than a democrat, not the stereotypical definition.
--snip--
I assume we're talking American Republicans, as the word republican means something much different in Ireland. Ye know, Irish Republican Army.

*Nods*
I've been "Registered Unenrolled" for years. I don't like ANY of the organized political party lines on various issues, and feel alienated enough from most of then to be incredibly uncomfortable identifying as any of them.

I am very conservative on some issues, in the "original" Republican sense, that is to say not a "Religious Right republican". I am for getting Big Government out of people's personal lives, from the bedroom to the church to the gun safe to the doctor's office. It floors me that there are people who call themselves conservative Republicans who are calling for the federal government to amend a centuries-old political document in such a way as to do precisely these things; meddle in people's private affairs.

Conversely I don't agree with a great deal of the things the Democratic party pushes, and have been beyond disgusted with their candidate offerings since I was old enough to vote.

Going back to the gist of the original post -- it may well be stomach-churning to hear Beautiful Day being used by Kerry, but I felt the same way hearing it 'spliced' with Super Bowl coverage. I think that's just as bad, trivializing the song into a statement about American football, oh yay a bunch of overweight millionaires beat some other bunch of overweight millionaires, whoopie f'ing shite. And I'm from the Patriots' (and John Kerry's) home state. Talk about cheapening the meaning of the song.

 

[U2Kitten]

I see what you mean wolfy

 

[thrillme]

Republican: One who favors a republic as the best form of government.

republic: a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them.

democrat: an adherent of democracy.

democracy: the doctrine that the numerical majority of an organized group can make decisions binding on the whole group.

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Okay, so the dictionary definitions are pretty similar, but democracy has a "majority rule" as the main difference.

Bono's a smart guy though, he knows not to play "party politics", with something like the Drop the Debt campaign. Some celebs won't even talk to the party they're not affiliated with.

*wonders if it had to be someone not from America to really get things started*

Ye know, someone not tied to one party, who really doesn't follow the different parties' "credos" that much.

 

[martha]

*wonders if it had to be someone not from America to really get things started*

Ye know, someone not tied to one party, who really doesn't follow the different parties' "credos" that much.

I think that's exactly why he was as successful as he was. He didn't approach the situation with as much party baggage as an American would have.

 

[babyman]

oh, what can we do, i find it's sad when they associate u2 and politics

 

[martha]

Um. U2 has associated themselves with politics repeatedly. Bono and his work in Africa, Bono and Ali's trip to Central America in the 80s, the Amnesty tour, the Greenpeace boat trip, the Northern Ireland work.