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Old 11-27-2001, 02:11 PM   #1
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Does Billy Joel say "U2" in We didnt Start the Fire?

AT 2:22 minutes into the song? Right after he goes "Hoola hoops, Castro.... (something).. U2"....

Damn straight if he did, b/c U2 definitely fits in the historical theme of that song
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Yes, he does. But he is referring to U-2 the SPY PLANE...not U2 the SUPERGROUP!!!

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Yes, he does. But he is referring to U-2 the SPY PLANE...not U2 the SUPERGROUP!!!
Are you sure about that? The lyric sheet refers to U2.. not U-2

song also mentions Chubby Checker in the same verse

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It's definitely U2 the spyplane. The hyphen in between is optional.
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Yes, I'm positive. In fact, even though it has been some time since I've seen it, the video of "We Didn't Start The Fire" includes a brief snippet of the infamous U2 spy plane at that very moment during the song if I recall.

Also, I remember Billy Joel himself talking about that song back in the day and it's political overtones etc and I somehow remember him discussing briefly the U2 spy plane incident and it's relevance to the song.
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"Wow, we were lucky he was there to give us all that information... and yet it seemed extraneous at the time.."
-Wayne's World

Haha dude thast cool you got all that info about the song, now i get the structure of that song.

Did you know that the U-2 plane was shot down the day Bono was born? I am not sure if that is why the group is named so but I think it is.
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ah I see... cool

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A little history lesson from William Joel:


Harry Truman-- Well loved 33rd President of the United States (1945-1953). Made the decision to drop the Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima & Nagasaki. 1949 Inauguration was the first to be nationally televised, and was estimated to have been viewed by 10 million Americans.

Doris Day-- Popular singer/actress and later, star of the Doris Day Show (1968-1973).

Red China-- "The Red Troops," Communists take over mainland China. Nationalists establish themselves in Taiwan.

Johnnie Ray-- Singer who cried when he sang. Hits: Cry and The Little Cloud that Cried. He signed a contract with Okeh in 1949.

South Pacific-- Broadway musical first produced on this date

Walter Winchell-- America's first modern gossip columnist known for his aggressive style and tremendous use of slang. America tuned into him on the radio.

Joe DiMaggio-- "Joltin' Joe," "The Yankee Clipper" was an outfielder for the New York Yankees (1936-1951) and has the longest hitting streak in the Major Leagues. In 1949, an inflamed heel kept him sidelined for 65 games. When he returned to the lineup, his home run helped the Yankees beat Boston 5-4, and he went on to bat .500 in their three-game series.


Joe McCarthy-- The Republican senator who led "Witch Hunts" against the communists in America. He also started the dreaded "Black listing."

Richard Nixon-- Member of the US Senate and later President. Investigated domestic communism during this period.

Studebaker-- Clement, Henry, and John Studebaker, The downfall of this eccentric auto company came when their sports car did not catch on as well as the new corvette.

Television-- The "Boob Tube" was introduced and became widely popular throughout the world.

North Korea-- Democratic peoples republic occupied by U.S.S.R. They invaded...

South Korea-- On June 25, 1950 and remained occupied until July 27, 1953. The United States supported South Korea

Marilyn Monroe-- Actress and Pin-up girl. In the movie "Love Happy", United Artists, April 1950 staring: Marx Brothers, Ilona Massey, Eric Blore, Vera-Ellen, Raymond Burr, Marilyn Monroe had a 3 minute walk-on scene with Groucho Marx.


Rosenbergs-- Ethel-Greenglass Rosenberg and Julius Rosenberg were listed as communists and were convicted of giving secrets to the U.S.S.R. Executed.

H-Bomb-- First tested in 1951. This weapon was more powerful than the destrctive Atomic bomb. Researched by Edward Teller as a response to the fear of communism after Russia duplicated the A-bomb.

Sugar Ray-- Five time middle weight champion (1951-1960).

Panmunjom-- City in South Korea where the cease fire negotiations took place. Talks started in 1951 and the truce was signed in 1953 ending the Korean War.

Brando-- Marlon Brando Jr. The "Buddy" actor. Won Oscars for: On the Water Front (1954) and The Godfather (1972)

The King and I-- Popular musical and book by Oscar Hammerstein based on the novel Anna and the King of Siam by Margret Landon. About King Mongkut of Thailand and the social life and customs therein.

and The Catcher in the Rye-- Well known book by J.D. Salinger.


Eisenhower-- "Ike" David Dwight Eisenhower. Allied European military leader and 34th U.S. president (1953-1961).

Vaccine-- Jonas Salk, on March 11, 1952, provides the body with lasting defensive powers against 3 types of polio viruses.

England's got a new Queen-- Queen Elizabeth II starts her reign, she is 27 years old.

Marciano-- Rocky Marciano, Boxer and Actor. Became the heavyweight champion of the world when he defeated Jersey Joe Walcott on September 23, 1952.

Liberace-- George J. Liberace. Conductor, violinist and pianist born Wladziu Valentino (1919-1987). Rose to stardom in the fifties and went on to become the highest paid entertainer during the sixties and seventies.

Santayana good-bye-- George Santayana, (1863-1952), American philosopher, poet, and novelist, whose wide-ranging philosophical speculation was expressed in a style of great literary distinction. died September 26, 1952., Memorable quote: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."


Joseph Stalin-- Dictator of Russia (1929-1953), successor of Lenin. Died, March 5, 1953.

Malenkov-- Georgi Malenkov was a close associate of Joseph Stalin. He became Prime Minister of Russia after Stalin's death and remained in his position until 1955.

Nasser-- Gamal Abdel Nasser, Egyptian President (1953-1970). He led the disposal of King Farouk in 1952.

and Prokofiev-- Russian Composer who died in 1953 after putting together Peter and the Wolf.

Rockefeller-- John D. Rockefeller. Most well known of the wealthy Rockefeller family. Founded Chevron Oil company. Nelson Aldridge Rockefeller was Governor of New York from 1958 to 1974.

Campanella-- Roy Campanella was a baseball catcher for Brooklyn from 1948 to 1957. He led the NL in RBI's in 1953 and held the MVP.

Communist Bloc-- The Communist Bloc refers to the countries that comprised the "enemy" during the Cold War.


Roy Cohn-- Lawyer and Chief counsel to Senator McCarthy during his "Witch Hunt" trials.

Juan Peron-- Dictator of Argentina

Toscanini-- Arturo Toscanini, child prodigy. One of the great Orchestra conductors who performed in New York and Italy. He retired in 1954 at the are of 87.

Dacron-- The Tradename for Polyester fiber rope. The beginning of polyester clothing.

Dien Bien Phu Falls-- Vietnam swamp land, location of the Frenc fortress that was defeated in 1954.

Rock Around The Clock-- Number 1 song by Bill Haley and the Comets. Considered the beginning of Rock n' Roll.


Einstein-- Physicist and mathametician who penned the Theory of Relativity and did substantial work on the creation of the Atomic Bomb. He won the Nobel Prize before passing away on April 18, 1955.

James Dean-- Actor and teen heartthrob. Became an icon for American teenage boys after a career in films which was tragically cut short when he was killed in a car accident on Sept. 30, 1955

Brooklyn's got a winning team-- The Brooklyn Dodgers wins the World Series 4 games to 3 against the New York Yankees.

Davy Crockett-- Frontiersman under President Andrew Jackson who died at the Alamo in 1936. Because of Walt Disney's now weekly show, Davy Crockett becomes the newest fad among kids.

Peter Pan-- The Disney Feature Full Length Animated Movie hits theatres.

Elvis Presley-- Actor/Singer "The King" of Rock n' Roll

Disneyland-- Walt Disney opens his first amusement park in Anaheim, California.


Bardot-- Bridget Bardot, French actress and sex symbol.

Budapest-- Moved towards democracy in Hungary, armored tanks quickly put a stop to it.

Alabama-- Moved towards civil rights with the Civil Rights Movement.

Krushchev-- Nikita Krushchev, the Premier of Russia.

Princess Grace-- Grace Kelley. Actress who married Prince Ranier III of Monaco in '56.

Peyton Place-- First night time soap opera

Trouble in the Suez-- Egypt nationalizes the canal and refuses passage to Israel. War erupts and Irael, with the help of France and Great Britain occupy the Sinai Penninsula.


Little Rock-- Arkansas, troops are sent to a central high school to enforce racial integration.

Pasternak-- Boris Pasternak, russian creator of Dr. Zhivago. Forced to refuse the Nobel Prize for literature in '58.

Mickey Mantle-- "The Commerce Comet." NY Yankees outfielder (1951-58). Won the AL Triple Crown in '56 and held the record for 536 home runs

Kerouac-- Jack Kerouac, led the "Beatnik" movement, authored On the Road in 1957.

Sputnik-- The first artificial satellite, launched by the Russians on Oct 4, 1957.

Chou-En-Lai-- (Zhou En-Lai?) The premier of China sought to normalize relations between the PRC and the USA

Bridge on the River Kwai-- Won 7 Academy Awards including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor-Alec Guinness and Best (Adapted) Screenplay.


Lebanon-- President Eisenhower sent troops to Lebanon where 241 marines died.

Charles de Gaulle-- French army general who assumed leadership after WWII, he became the first president of the fifth republic.

California Baseball-- In 1958 (between the 1957 and 1958 seasons, at least) the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants (the baseball team) moved out west to California - Los Angeles and San Francisco respectively.

Starkweather Homicide-- The Starkweather Homicides - In January, Charlie Starkweather and his girlfriend, Caril Fugate, went on a 11 person killing spree over a span of a month and a half. The spree started with Fugate's parents and spread over the Midwest. He was executed in the electric chair.

Children of Thalidomide-- Thalidomide was given to women to help with birthing proceedures and morning sickness. Childern are consequently born with birth defects.


Buddy Holly-- Singer/songwriter of Buddy Holly and the Crickets. Died in a plane crash with 2 other rock n' roll singers, including Ritchie Valens, on Feb 3, 1959.

Ben Hur-- Nominated for 12Academy Awards. Won 11, including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor-Charlton Heston and Best Supporting Actor-Hugh Griffith..

Space Monkey-- The first sentient being was sent into outer space, it was... a monkey.

Mafia-- Don Vito Genovese jailed for narcotics peddling in 1959, he was turned in by Nelson Cantellops.

Hula hoops-- The Hula Hoop was invented and became the latest fad.

Castro-- Fidel Castro led a campaign to overthrow the Batista regime. The Communist leader took over in Cuba and became the Premier.

Edsel is a no-go-- The Edsel, a car too advanced for its time, people were not ready for it and it flopped.


U-2-- A spy plane, then being flown by Gary Powers, was shot down. News of its existence ruined a summit meeting in Vienna between Kruchev and the American President, Eisenhower.

Syngman Rhee-- The President of South Korea (1948-1960) was forced from office for political abuses.

Payola-- One of the first big music scandals where record companies paid DJs to play certain songs as DJs were asking for money to play records. Allan Freed, a big time radio DJ from Ohio credited with coining the term "Rock and Roll," got caught up in it and it destroyed his career.

Kennedy-- John F. Kennedy was elected the 35th President of the United States (served 1961-1963). He was also the first Roman Catholic President.

Chubby Checker-- Rock n' Roll sensation who created the dance craze, "The Twist."

Psycho-- Famous Alfred Hitchcock movie. Nominated for 4 Academy Awards, including Best Director and Best Supporting Actress.

Belgians in the Congo-- In June, the Belgians lost control of the Congo, which became the independent state of Congo-Kinshasa. Today it is known as Zaire.


Hemingway-- Journalist/Author, Nobel Prize winner in 1954. Died July 2, 1961.

Eichmann-- Adolf Eichman, Nazi leader and most feared Nazi. He was in charge of Hitler's Death Camps. He escaped to Argentine in 1946 and was captured by Israelies in 1960. Tried in 1961 and hanged in 1962 for his war crimes.

Stranger in a Strange Land-- Novel by Richard Heinlein published in 1961.

Dylan-- Robert Zimmerman/Bob Dylan -- Singer/Songwriter. Blowin' in the Wind (1962), Times They are a Changin' (1964)

Berlin-- The Wall goes up to devide East Communist Germany from West Democratic Germany.

Bay of Pigs Invasion-- April 17-19. The unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the Communist government of Cuba by U.S. backed Cuban exiles.


Lawrence of Arabia-- Winner of 7 Academy Awards including Best Picture and Best Director.

British Beatle Mania-- The Boys from Liverpool, England. John, Paul, Ringo and George.

Ole Miss-- The University of Mississippi is the first to allow African Americans to attend a University.

John Glenn-- First American to orbit Earth

Liston beats Patterson-- "Sonny" Liston, Actor/boxer. Heavyweight champion 1962-1964 beats Floyd Patterson, an Olympic gold medalist (boxing 1952) and the youngest to
ever win the heavyweight title.


Pope Paul-- Paul I installed as Pope in 1963. He died on March 6, 1964

Malcom X-- Murdered in 1965.

British Politician Sex-- British minister Stephen Ward was brought down by virtue of a sex scandal in the early 60s.

JFK Blown away-- John F. Kennedy's assassination took place on Nov. 22, 1963 during a political parade in Dallas.


Birth Control-- The start of endless debates and controversies over birth control.

Ho Chi Minh-- Leader of the Vietminh against the Japanese. An ally of the US during WWII. He was president of North Vietnam during the period of the Vietnam War.

Richard Nixon back again-- After Nixon lost to Kennedy in 1960, he ran for governor of California and lost. He called a press conference and angrily declared he was leaving politics and public life for good, telling the press "You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around any more." He didn't keep his promise, though, and hence the "back again" reference. He became the 37th President from 1967-1974, then resigned. He ended the US presence in Vietnam, repaired relations with China, and initiated Detente with USSR.

Moonshot-- July 1969. U.S. wins race to the Moon, Neil Armstrong plants American flag.


Woodstock-- New York's "Love-in." On a 600 acre farm, 400,000 people gathered for 3 days of Rock n' Roll.

Watergate-- Break in of Democratic National Headquarters, by Nixon White House Aides. Causing scandal, including evidence of missing tapes.


Punk Rock-- In the fifties, baby boomers were teens and they rebelled against adults with Rock n' Roll. In the early seventies, their children started punk rock.

Begin-- Menachem Wolfovitch, Prime minister of Israel 1977-1983. Attended a meeting with Anwar el Sadat resulting in the Camp David Accords. He is the Nobel Peace Prize winner of 1978.


Reagan-- 40th President (1981-1989), instituted "Reaganomics" in an attempt to spur the economy. He was also known for his conservative policies and the fact that he has been our oldest President (b. Feb. 6, 1911)

Palestine-- Continuing conflicts over a Palestinian homeland.

Terror on the Airline-- Many Hijackings and explosions took place during the 80's

Ayatollah's in Iran-- Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini began a Holy War with Iran.

Russians in Afghanistan-- Russian and Afgan government troops hold the major cities but rebels control the country side.

Wheel of Fortune-- One of the most popular TV game shows begins in the 80's

Sally Ride-- First woman in Space

Heavy Metal Suicide-- In the eighties, a rumor flourished that heavy metal music caused some kids to commit suicide.

Foreign Debts-- The United States, under Reagan's Reganomics, ran up trillions of dollars in National Debt.

Homeless Vets-- Due to the state of the economy and high unemployment, Vietnam vets are forced to the streets by the thousands.

AIDS-- The AIDS epidemic becomes the headline news.

Crack-- Cocaine has been around for awhile but it becomes popular again in another form.

Bernie Goetz-- Was attacked by 2-4 thugs in a New York subway. He returned the attack with gunfire from his legally registered gun. He left one in a wheelchair of the attackers. The incident later went to trial and due to a lack of evidence to prove that Goetz was acting in self defense, the victim (Goetz) was forced to pay approximately 1 million dollars to the families of the attackers.

Hypodermics on the Shore-- From the Pacific to Lake Michigan, the pollution in our water is recognized when people find hypodermic needles in the seas.

China's under Martial Law-- Democratic movement in China stopped by use of military force.

Rock & Roller Cola Wars-- Michael Jackson and Pepsi, Paula Abdul and Coca-Cola


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