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Old 02-15-2002, 04:06 PM   #21
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yes , i know , but ' helping Africa ' is a very difficult topic for a few mins before One , and i disagree with Bono about this question , bono behaves more like a politician then a musician ,
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Old 02-15-2002, 04:09 PM   #22
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Bono's media-savvy. He understands the backlash risk. He's a big boy and can handle it. We don't want him doing a Brian Wilson, trust me--I met Brian. Not pretty.
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And this is different from how U2 has always been HOW? Do some homework. Bono and the band have ALWAYS been on some crusade or another. I fail to see how any fan could be too surprised over it or seriously expect them to become a different band overnight.
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[B Bono should go do a Brian Willson for a while[/B]
Brain Wilson had low self esteem and wasn't helping educate people about important world issues.

Bono would never run and hide.

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I'm not supprized at all. I just remember all the stuff that they have been saying before the album came out. About how they had learned from Rattle and Hum and how they would never make those mistakes again. And how the have learned from POP also. You know what, I think that the new album will be even better than ATYCLB and thats hard for me to say because I thank its the best tha they have ever made. But I just think Bono pushes a little too hard. Again don't stop doing all charity, keep doing all great things, but I just think that there is a time when you have to pull the rieghns and slow down.
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Old 02-15-2002, 04:28 PM   #26
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When we sift through all the unnecessary personal acrimony in this thread, there is an interesting point here. Will there be a major backlash to Bono's high profile?

My Hypothesis: The U.S. mass media's reaction to anyone (including Bono) is dependent upon the degree to which his/her rhetoric and actions favor the interests of the the powers that be, which includes the U.S. government and media owners (U.S. corporations). A backlash occurs when a celebrity figure with access to the public provides the public with access to information these entities didn't want them to know, or when he/she threatens their financial interests. That, simply, is the difference between being "the only band that matters" and "shut up already, you're just a rock star/actor/whatever".

There have been two major U.S. anti-U2 backlashes so far. The first started in late 1987 and extended through 1989. It began (almost to the day, if you compare U2 bootlegs and post-concert media reviews as I have) in late 1987 when Bono began to speak very openly and frankly during concerts about the devastation that the U.S. was inflicting on Nicaragua. Until that time, U.S. citizens simply didn't know what was going on down there. That's when the first "please shut up"s began to be seen in post-concert reviews. The backlash was made easier by the band's rather haughty demeanor (I agree with critics on this one) during the Rattle & Hum movie. More importantly, in the movie the band directly implicated Western corporations ("silver and gold") as a major contributor to the apartheid South African government. Hence the virulent backlash.

The second backlash was in 1997. The band a) proudly refused corporate sponsorship for their multi-million dollar Popmart tour; and b) openly referred to the "corporate monster" during their concerts. The usual group of potential sponsors and music industry denizens were outraged that a) they lost a lot of cash; and b) U2 was setting an example for other bands that might follow suit - that would be a major threat to their moneymaking machine. So the media machine did another job on U2. Even now, the way Pop and Popmart are retrospectively panned as failures by the media is completely at odds with the facts: the Pop album received good reviews initially (not Joshua Tree - like reviews, but good) by most reviewers, being a stadium tour Popmart actually sold more tickets than Elevation, Popmart made millions of dollars, and Popmart was a great show compared to other artists' shows (but perhaps not as great as other U2 shows in the opinion of many, including me).

This is not conspiracy theory. This is the way that the media works. People without good relationships with powerful politicians and business leaders (nowdays, the business leaders own the media so it's even more simple) don't become editors. Reporters self-censor their stories to make them acceptable to editors. And everyone in that industry needs good relationships with Clear Channel in order to be viable.

So my prediction is that as long as U2 continues to be Clear Channel's posterboys, espouses American patriotism, approves of American military action, and aids in the illusion that governmental leaders and corporations are really interested in debt relief, reviewers are going to be very wary about knocking them. Anyone in the music reporting industry knows you don't get promoted easily these days without a good relationship with Clear Channel.

This will change if: a) Bono tries to play hardball to pressure Bush into supporting debt relief, or if he expresses public dissatisfaction with the public relations pennies the West will inevitably throw at the problem; b) Bono criticizes American foreign policy or corporations publicly.

I believe Bono has learned the lessons of the past very well, and that he's fully aware of all this. I think he was politically astute in seizing the opportunity presented by 9-11 to ingratiate himself with the U.S. elite. I think he greatly enjoys the material and publicity gains he receives from this (who wouldn't?). I also think that he genuinely believes that this access to the U.S. elite is his last and best chance to help people in the 3rd world.

I don't totally blame him for trying, but I do think he's completely deluded in this. The politicians he's dealing with are very professional at using celebrities for publicity, throwing lip service and compliments in their direction, TAKING THE POLITICANS GAINS OF ASSOCIATING WITH HIM, and KEEPING THE MONEY.

But as long as he doesn't complain about this too loudly, he'll be applauded for years, and may even be nominated with Sachs for the Nobel Peace Prize some day. If he does complain vociferously or especially if he implicates Western corporations in being a part of the African problem, he'll lose mass media access faster than a speeding bullet and we may even see a backlash.

OK, now you can all start throwing tomatoes at me.
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That is what I am thinking about. I'm just not as good at getting it across as you are. Very impressive response.
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Old 02-15-2002, 04:51 PM   #28
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gherman-I understand what you are saying and I think it is sad that you dont seem to be given your opinion. I think what bono is doing is great. I do think that by "U2" being in the spot light sooooo much it may cause a backlash.....I dont really mind I actually love it when they are on tv. I dont think that Bono doing all those interviews on his own will cause any sort of problems. Its like this with everyone, Boybands have been EVERYWHERE for the past 2-3 years and now it seems that they are falling. As for all the people who attacked gerhman because he expressed an opinion well you all suck, the wole point of a "forum" is to discuss topics. even if we dont like them.
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Old 02-15-2002, 04:57 PM   #29
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I admire Bono because he does whatever the fuck he wants to do. I'm sure he knows it is only a matter of time before the backlash comes, that is nature of being successful.. So why not do all that you can do while you have the chance?

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A lot of people get jealous when the see another person become sucessful. That is the nature of man. So when someone is sucessful at something good, like Bono being the frontman of the world's greatest band and all his charity work, a few people become jealous of him and backlash. But these few people spread their ideas onto other people who do not really know much about U2, and soon a backlash against U2 spreads like a wildfire. It's like a rumor you hear in high school.

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Old 02-15-2002, 05:59 PM   #31
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I don't pay attention to what the critics or media have to say, all that matters at the end is that Bono is doing what he thinks he should, what he believes in.
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Old 02-15-2002, 06:18 PM   #32
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I don't totally blame him for trying, but I do think he's completely deluded in this. The politicians he's dealing with are very professional at using celebrities for publicity, throwing lip service and compliments in their direction, TAKING THE POLITICANS GAINS OF ASSOCIATING WITH HIM, and KEEPING THE MONEY.
I agree with most of what you said, sv. Very impressive post. However, I don't completely agree with this section. I'm not hopelessly naive -- I definitely agree that the politicians Bono associates with are being very clever. They get wonderful PR out of this. But Bono is using them at the same time, and he's intelligent enough -- and he's been around long enoug -- to know what he's doing. He gains more credibility, and he actually does help 3rd world debt. There has been actual progress made since the start of the campaign, so it hasn't been just lip service that people in power positions are throwing around. And the bottom line for me is, that's all that matters. I think that's what matters to Bono, as well ... plus the added bonus of more political clout to use on other issues, if he so desires.

I also think that if Bono donates money to any causes, there's no way he would ever publicly say so. It's kind of a useless point to discuss.

That said, I am getting a little tired of U2 being everywhere in the U.S. media. I don't even think they're entirely responsible for it, but there it is. Not just Bono -- for instance, the NFL commercials, the Olympics, etc. Not that I don't love the band and their music, I'm just saying. But after the Grammy awards, I'm assuming this will probably die down anyway.
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OK, now you can all start throwing tomatoes at me.

If anyone was going to throw something at you it would be lemons and not tomatoes. silly you

But WHY? That was a truly GREAT post, very impressive. Thanks for that and great job
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Old 02-15-2002, 07:50 PM   #34
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Let bono do what he wants to...why is anyone here worried about a backlash? We know this band is great...who cares if others dont?
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I agree that there seems to be a u2 backlash going on right now,but I have been a fan since 1980 and u2s critics(usually right wing conservatives)have called them self serving,pompous and communists!Its not going to stop Bono! And as far as whether Bono has given money to causes ,I think he has we just haven't heard about it.
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I really hate it when people can't even disagree with U2 in this forum without being pounced on! I like U2's music, so I buy their albums...but I don't agree with everything they do. You can be a fan but disagree with their non-musically related pursuits.

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Having a disagreement about U2 is one thing, but taking unecessary stabs at people because you disagree is uncalled for.

gherman, please learn to disagree in an adult manner.. I dont want to see any more arguing or I'm closing this thread.



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Old 02-16-2002, 01:25 AM   #38
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I love the fact that because gherman expressed an opinion you didnt like or in a manner that you didnt like hes wrong. It was just an opinion, that is what a forum is for. I read nor felt anything rude or mean about what gherman wrote. Its JUST an opinion, I happen not to agree with it but I understand where gherman is coming from, and I respect that. In fact, if it were up to me U2 would be on TV every night, one live performance a night would make me very happy.-peace
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Go a head SicilianGoddess if you want to let people just sit around and make top 10 lists all day thats fine with me, but this is finaly a thread where people have been realy using their brains in an open discusion.

Jesus Christ people life is too short, have fun and make a statement. Don't let the bastards get you down. Speak your mind. You should not be afraid of what people might think. Why do you think I started this tread. Lets spice things up a little. I've been locked inside for 2 weeks studying for exams. I could die tomorrow, which would not be a bad thing, unless people would just start to relax and let things flow. Don't let life get too serious. God, why do you let things get to you so much?
If one thing Ive learned from U2 in my life is to let the critisism fly and then just wipe my face and just walk on. Come on guys I know everyone here is smart, sucessfull and great people to get along with but lets have some real discusion here. Its easy to say what your top singles from 1988 are or some shit like that, but its another thing to speak what you realy think about the band. Things are realy shitty in the world right now and people are begging to forget but that does not mean we should make everything roses and daisy's. I'm not trying start a war I'm just trying to make a spark to start a fire of thought and self oppinion.
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"Jesus Christ people life is too short, have fun and make a statement. Don't let the bastards get you down. Speak your mind. You should not be afraid of what people might think."

gherman... after saying all this, how can you suggest that maybe Bono should go away for a while and stop making statements and speaking his mind? Doesn't this contradict what you've just written yourself?
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