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Old 07-08-2002, 12:40 PM   #1
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Bashing "Bald" Edge and Then U2? Hmmm...

Purely by chance, I came across this article. Let's see if I can do this link correctly...

It's on VH-1's page.

The article first rants about balding men shaving their heads. It transitions into Edge's wearing of a beanie. Fair enough. Some people don't like hats or shaved heads. However, instead of ending there, this person, Bob Lefsetz, rants on and on about how bad "Pop" and the PopMar tour were and now safe and boring ATYCLB was. He even says that we shouldn't argue with him - because he highly doubts we could sing more from this album than a few notes of "Beautiful Day."

Although I'm new here, I've read Interference a lot and I know that some of you agree with these sentiments. Some of you loathe "Pop" and others of you have felt ATYCLB was safe. However, I strongly disagree that ATYCLB was "safe." Nor do I feel U2 were resting on their laurels with this album. U2 did tons of experimentation in the 90's, well beyond that of any other artist out there, including Madonna. After all, would Madonna have made "OS1"? To me, ATYCLB represented yet another change for U2 - a reflection of what they were and where they are going. It's not a JT2 or AB2.

Anyway, I thought this article made for a good read and felt some of you might be interested in reading yet another lambasting of poor U2.
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Old 07-08-2002, 01:11 PM   #2
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This guy obviously doesn't know what he's writing about because the title of his rant is about bald people, but about half a page of that and it turns into a rant about U2. Then after a page of U2 he begins going on about Remy Zero. Seems to me like he's just rambling about a bunch of nothing. He's so stuck in his own point of view that he contantly says that there is no way you can argue with him about anything he says. I mean, if you want to be credible at least be honest enough to admit there are other views to an issue. Anyway, he's just some guy who's probablt balding himself and needs some attention so he'll go blast U2 and some other people like Billy Corgan and people will read his drivle.

For the record, I love POP and ATYCLB has a special place in me even if it's not necessarily my favorite album. Oh yeah, and I can sing more than few bars of Beautiful Day
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I don't think this guy takes himself too seriously. Some of what he wrote was pretty humorous. Let's all take it with a grain of salt. Nothing to get upset about.
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I don't think this guy takes himself too seriously. Some of what he wrote was pretty humorous. Let's all take it with a grain of salt. Nothing to get upset about.
My sentiments exactly
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This guy obviously doesn't know what he's writing about because the title of his rant is about bald people, but about half a page of that and it turns into a rant about U2. Then after a page of U2 he begins going on about Remy Zero. Seems to me like he's just rambling about a bunch of nothing. He's so stuck in his own point of view that he contantly says that there is no way you can argue with him about anything he says.
LMAO!! Exactly! What a crap piece of writing.

And that's crap that he's labeled people with shaved heads as "not being comfortable with their bodies." I mean, if he's gonna say that, then he might as well start criticizing people dye their hair or wear make-up. My God. What an ignorant dumbass!

Thanks for the link, that was good for a laugh!
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Sometimes I think that "freedom of Press" is a mistake. Any yahoo can go out there and say something completely stupid and uninformed. ATYCLB rocks, Pop and Popmart rock, and this person obviously doesn't know their arse from their elbow!
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I don't think this guy takes himself too seriously. Some of what he wrote was pretty humorous. Let's all take it with a grain of salt. Nothing to get upset about.
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I really don't like how he said that it was okay for a black man to shave his head but not a white man because it was a "black man's thing". To me, thats like saying, it's okay for a white man to drive to fast but if a black man drives to fast it's not okay.
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How was ATYCLB safe? They took a big chance and they knew it. They were very afraid of what might happen and felt blessed by the success. If they wanted to go with what was popular, they'd have done a rock rap or teen pop type record. ATYCLB was very different from anything else on the radio at its time- kind of like everything else U2 has ever done??!!
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How was ATYCLB safe? They took a big chance and they knew it. They were very afraid of what might happen and felt blessed by the success. If they wanted to go with what was popular, they'd have done a rock rap or teen pop type record. ATYCLB was very different from anything else on the radio at its time- kind of like everything else U2 has ever done??!!
So true!

When people refer to ATYCLB as "safe," you can usually find me doing this... And it IS different from anything they've done!
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I did a little research on the man who wrote this. His favorite bands from the seventies: The Eagles and Aerosmith. His favorite song from the Nineties: Walking on the Sun. Make your own judgements.

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He's obviously one of those people who think that lots of caps and exclamation points MAKE FOR A REALLY POWERFUL ARGUMENT MAN!!
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The reason I posted this link was for the same reason many of you have already stated. First, this person rambles on about baldness. O.K., I can get a little teasing of the Edge about his hat. After all, Edge even wore his cap at his wedding. But I hardly expected this to launch into a discussion of U2's current music. What has one got to do with the other? Does a hat-free Edge make better music than a capped Edge? If so, then this writer needs to be reminded that Edge wore a hat for some of UF, all of JT and R&H and a cap for AB. Also, it would be difficult to convince me that in the 15 years since JT, Edge hasn't improved dramatically as a guitarist.

I realize that much of what this person wrote was tongue-in-cheek. As such, his silly comments about shaved heads being a "black man's thing" can slide. However, he appeared to be very serious regarding his U2 discussion. I wonder - what exactly did he want from U2? They experimented with AB, Zooropa, OS1 and Pop. In his mind, Pop wasn't that good - but one can't dismiss the fact that U2 experimented on that album nonetheless. After a decade (!!) of experimentation, U2 decided to chill on the effects and write more traditional songs. Does writing something more traditional necessarily imply safe? And on what other album have U2 placed songs like the simple, rough-voiced "In a Little While"? Where else has U2 put on an acoustic song like "Wild Honey"? Those weren't exactly "safe" ideas to me.

When I first heard "Beautiful Day" I never dreamed it would be the huge success it proved to be. And in fact, if y'all remember, "Beautiful Day" struggled a bit in the U.S. before finally catching on. Here's a song that sounds like nothing out there at the time, but it does have a more traditional U2 feel to it. Does sounding like one's self make something safe? That is, should we be reprimanded for doing what we do best? To me, experimentation for the sake of experimentation is just as bad, if not worse, as playing "safe." Had U2 created another wild, experimental album because that's what they felt the *had* to do, then I would have been disappointed. As artists, I want U2 to create what inspires them at that particular moment in time. Not all fans will want to go along for the ride - as with "Pop." But at least U2 are doing what they want as artists.

Anyway, this writer's (*cough* - writer? ha!) e-mail is on the side of the page. I'm sure he'd love some letters.
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does a day go by where we don't lambaste an individual who has written some silly piece about U2? aren't you tired yet?

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that's a very poorly written article
I also bash bald Edge though
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Ha ha, anyone who hates bald heads and Pop can't be all bad LOL!

I do disagree with his comments on their latest work though. He really isn't very informed to be writing on the band.
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does a day go by where we don't lambaste an individual who has written some silly piece about U2? aren't you tired yet?

Who's lambasting?

And in this case, I thought it was also a silly article too. Poor bald Edge.

*decides to lambast kobayashi instead - new hobby.
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I also bash bald Edge though
Do you bash Edge for being bald or for wearing a cap and being bald? Or are you just mean and wicked and enjoy bashing Edge, regardless of the state of his follicles?
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Anyway I would much rather see the beanie than what's under it. He looks cute with the beanie. I like it.
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