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Old 12-22-2004, 06:50 AM   #1
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Adam Clayton's best album

Listen City of Blinding Lights. Listen to that rhythm section.
Listen to that simple funky Crumbs bassline.
Listen Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own opening.
Listen the beautiful Yahweh opening.
Listen the Vertigo verses.
Listen the Love and Peace opening.
Listen to the groovy A Man and a Woman bassline.

Pop was great, but Clayton does his max in this one. Amazing. Never had respect for the man as I have now.
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Old 12-22-2004, 07:21 AM   #2
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Yep - and they are increasingly being sampled by the dance musicians. A Man And A Woman is a quite remarkable bass piece.
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His bass has always been great although I think your right he does amazing work on this album
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it's a great album for adam. just not sure if better than pop; do you feel loved and please are too much.
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Yeah, I agree with that to a degree, I still feel Pop nudges it for me.

I have a friend, who really digs u2 now, always liked them, but is now really into them. He always had a problem with Adam and didn't really feel Adam's bass playing that compelling, but after this record he's really diggin' his playing and the cool thing is he's went back and dug out some of the older songs and is really starting to hear how good a bass player he can be when he makes the effort. Well done Adam, really nice work my man.

I still wish he was brought out just that little bit louder than he is on some of the songs. Probably just me, but I love songs that are lead by the bass in the mix and everything else just sit underneath it.
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I guess Clayton is a failure for making bass notes that stand out and get noticed.

For the longest time, the hallmark of Clayton's bass playing is that it is just there in the background not drawing any attention to itself so that U2's more flashy members can shine - Edge and Bono.

Clayton is supposed to be the disciplined one just holding the music together.

I guess now Clayton is craving for attention for him to be so noticed in this album. I guess HTDAAB has failed on the Clayton front, as Clayton has managed to cannibalize U2's own music and fight with Bono and Edge for the listener's primary attention.

To read this reaction you have put about Clayton would make him feel disappointed for sure. Clayton is probably a failure with this album if his bass stands out too much.

What happened to the tight repetetive rhythmic bass that held the music together? U2's music should have a sum greater than the parts. Perhaps Clayton should get back to the drawing board.

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Been waiting your reply to this thread, Jick. Classic.
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if you weren't such an arse that would have even been funnier jick


the suggestion that you can't be a tight rhythm section and still come up with some intricate stuff is a pisser
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I guess Clayton is a failure for making bass notes that stand out and get noticed.

For the longest time, the hallmark of Clayton's bass playing is that it is just there in the background not drawing any attention to itself so that U2's more flashy members can shine - Edge and Bono.

Clayton is supposed to be the disciplined one just holding the music together.

I guess now Clayton is craving for attention for him to be so noticed in this album. I guess HTDAAB has failed on the Clayton front, as Clayton has managed to cannibalize U2's own music and fight with Bono and Edge for the listener's primary attention.

To read this reaction you have put about Clayton would make him feel disappointed for sure. Clayton is probably a failure with this album if his bass stands out too much.

What happened to the tight repetetive rhythmic bass that held the music together? U2's music should have a sum greater than the parts. Perhaps Clayton should get back to the drawing board.

Cheers,

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You feel he's failure because he's too prominet? is that what you're saying?

If you are I totally disagree with you, you should want all four members fighting for your attention in the mix. To me that's what creates longevity of songs. The more you listen the more you hear the more you want to come back to it. If it was all Bono and Edge Id' get bored of the songs really quickly. I'm glad Adam has created such great and promient bass line's on this record.
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If Clayton wants to get into fancy slick bass fingering to make U2 have the cluttered sound that has zero cohesion, then U2 might s well rename themselves into Dave Matthews Band.

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the coherence of your posts is even more laughable though
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It's every musicians right to improve themselves as a player, in fact I'm glad he's turned the heat up a bit with his playing as it was pretty bland on the last record. He's still got a fire in his belly and that can be only good for u2's future.

I can't believe you would rather he stayed stationary as a musician just so it fits your idea of what u2 should sound like.
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I guess Clayton is a failure for making bass notes that stand out and get noticed.

For the longest time, the hallmark of Clayton's bass playing is that it is just there in the background not drawing any attention to itself so that U2's more flashy members can shine - Edge and Bono.

Clayton is supposed to be the disciplined one just holding the music together.

I guess now Clayton is craving for attention for him to be so noticed in this album. I guess HTDAAB has failed on the Clayton front, as Clayton has managed to cannibalize U2's own music and fight with Bono and Edge for the listener's primary attention.

To read this reaction you have put about Clayton would make him feel disappointed for sure. Clayton is probably a failure with this album if his bass stands out too much.

What happened to the tight repetetive rhythmic bass that held the music together? U2's music should have a sum greater than the parts. Perhaps Clayton should get back to the drawing board.

Cheers,

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Is it possible for you to be positive at all ??
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Old 12-22-2004, 09:14 AM   #15
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Jick, with all respect, you are talking rubbish,

There are complex basslines on all U2's albums,

Stories for boys, New Years Day, 40, A Sort of homecoming, Bullet, ALL OF ACHTUNG BABY, ALL OF ZOOROPA, ALL OF POP... you get the idea. Don't forget Edge writes a lot of the basslines too.

Adam is doing what he has always done and it's just that you don't like it now for some reason, you're trying to justify to yourself why but maybe your tastes are just different from where U2 are right now.

I also can't believe there is a thread about Adam being TOO complicated, ROFL.
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oh for fuck's sake....there's nothing too complicated OR too simple; adam plays extraordinarily BALANCED bass lines that fit the songs perfectly.

discussion over.
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This is what Jick wants, he is an attention seeker, he'll say anything to make others annoyed.

While I think this is one of Adam's best albums I think Pop is his best. But this might be his second best. COBL has one of his best basslines in my opinion and one of my favorites. I love what he plays on SYCMIOYO, it sounds to me like country music. And he proves once again that he is the groove master in A Man And A Woman. Yahweh, Miracle Drug and LAPOE also stand out. The man never fails, he knows exactly what each song needs!
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Old 12-22-2004, 10:34 AM   #18
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I think Adam is also playing very well on the war album. It's more groovy. new year's day, two heatrs beat as one, like a song. but also mullen played better drums there, of course SBS but also the refugee --> great drums.
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I've been playing bass for about 5 years and I love playing U2. I can tell everyone that Pop is the hardest album to play. Mofo, Last Night On Earth, Gone, Miami, Playboy Mansion (HARD), Velvet Dress, and Please are tough songs to play. Adam really has some unique playing on Pop.

As for HTDAAB, its Adams second best I think. Sometimes....is a really tough song to play. It has a little things on bass that you can't really hear. Adam does an excellent job on all the songs though. I've been playing COBL lately and its a blast to play. The arrangments are very similar to Streets, but it is still a great peice by Adam. Its really nice to hear Adam on this album. The last record (ATYCLB) is really crap for Adam. I think Grace is the best song for Adam.
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I love what Adam does on the October album myself.
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