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Old 01-04-2006, 11:25 PM   #81
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Zootles opened his mouth and (as usual) got negative with U2.

So, I'm calling him on it.

And yes Kid A is respected AND hated across the globe.
Yea but Zootlesque is right after Pop U2 was scared shitless, and did a complete change into more safer-rock. Radiohead have yet to turn their back to on everything post- OK Computer
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After OKC, Radiohead had an opportunity that not that many bands get...it's the opportunity a band gets after they release a record that is phenomenally popular, praised by critics and fans alike. It's the opportunity to sieze the incredible attention and adoration they are recieving. It is the opportunity to become the biggest band in the world. And they turned it down to make Kid A.

U2's re-invention with AB was incredible, but they were already the biggest band in the world when they made it.
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And...the usual arguement begins.

Do you guys really want to do this?

Cause we can. The thread will be closed because it's off topic.

But we can.
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Old 01-04-2006, 11:38 PM   #84
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And...the usual arguement begins.

Do you guys really want to do this?

Cause we can. The thread will be closed because it's off topic.

But we can.
And we'd be able to thank you for it since the first antagonistic comments in this thread came from you.
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And we'd be able to thank you for it since the first antagonistic comments in this thread came from you.
really?

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But U2 would've probably gotten as much respect as Radiohead had they not buckled and done a 90 degree turn into safer pop-rock! Hopefully the future holds something more interesting!
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And we'd be able to thank you for it since the first antagonistic comments in this thread came from you.
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Quote me all you want! I never said anything antagonistic. I simply stated my opinion which pissed you off obviously.
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To antagonize is to contend with or oppose another. Zoot's comments weren't opposing anything, he was just stating an opinion.
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Have fun guys. You deserve each other.
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Have fun guys. You deserve each other.
Nice tongue smiley there, Braumeister!

Haha, so do you accept defeat in the hands of namkcuR, xaviMF22 and I?

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Are you kidding? Radiohead is respected wayyy more than U2 because they stayed true to their own creative instincts and are making the kind of music they want to make instead of bowing to the majority of the music buying public in America, that doesn't know shit anyway.. judging by the total crap on the charts like 50 Cent and what not! I'll stop right there because I don't want to create an argument and I know you won't agree with me anyway.
See, I disagree with you. I don't think U2 has ever not made the kind of music they want to make. Just because it's not what you want, doesn't mean it wasn't what they wanted.

I do think that after Pop's "failure" (failure my ass), U2 made a conscious decision to regain the title of biggest band in the world, and thus created songs that would make good singles. But I think they were making the music they wanted to make the whole time, because if they weren't, it would show. Listen to ATYCLB. That album has soul. HTDAAB has its moments, too. Songs like Beautiful Day and Original of the Species are filled with so much joy and soul I can't dismiss them as "oh, U2 was just trying to please the masses." And you know what, in the 00's I'd say U2's only hit singles were BD and Vertigo, and maybe Elevation. The rest did fairly well, but they weren't really hit singles, in America anyway. Of course, I could be wrong, I'm sort of just judging this on songs the average high schooler knows. But the point is if you listen to U2's last two albums and listen to what's on mainstream radio now (again, we're talking America here, since that's what you brought up), the only thing that's really similar is Coldplay. They're definitely more actual pop music than U2 has been before, but they're still not really like what's popular now. Some may say that's just U2 not realizing what's hip, and that could be true. But I'd say that they stayed true to themselves and the music they wanted to make. The 90's was an incredible journey, but it had to end sometime. As far as I'm concerned Pop has 12 of U2's best songs, but they may not see it that way, and it was time for a change of pace. U2 didn't want to lose the central elements that made them famous in the first place. After a decade of mad experimentation, it was time for a break. And now that break is coming to an end. Mark my words: U2 will experiment again, when they're ready. And I think they are. They're itching, now. Even Larry said they want to start experimenting again. It will happen, and when it happens U2 will remain as true to themselves as they ever have.

As for Radiohead, I respect them for doing what they want to do as well. But they've never had the ambition to be the biggest band in the world. U2 wants it, they don't. Is it wrong to want it?
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Zoot., AtomicBono just beat the crap out of you
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See, I disagree with you. I don't think U2 has ever not made the kind of music they want to make. Just because it's not what you want, doesn't mean it wasn't what they wanted.

I do think that after Pop's "failure" (failure my ass), U2 made a conscious decision to regain the title of biggest band in the world, and thus created songs that would make good singles. But I think they were making the music they wanted to make the whole time, because if they weren't, it would show. Listen to ATYCLB. That album has soul. HTDAAB has its moments, too. Songs like Beautiful Day and Original of the Species are filled with so much joy and soul I can't dismiss them as "oh, U2 was just trying to please the masses." And you know what, in the 00's I'd say U2's only hit singles were BD and Vertigo, and maybe Elevation. The rest did fairly well, but they weren't really hit singles, in America anyway. Of course, I could be wrong, I'm sort of just judging this on songs the average high schooler knows. But the point is if you listen to U2's last two albums and listen to what's on mainstream radio now (again, we're talking America here, since that's what you brought up), the only thing that's really similar is Coldplay. They're definitely more actual pop music than U2 has been before, but they're still not really like what's popular now. Some may say that's just U2 not realizing what's hip, and that could be true. But I'd say that they stayed true to themselves and the music they wanted to make. The 90's was an incredible journey, but it had to end sometime. As far as I'm concerned Pop has 12 of U2's best songs, but they may not see it that way, and it was time for a change of pace. U2 didn't want to lose the central elements that made them famous in the first place. After a decade of mad experimentation, it was time for a break. And now that break is coming to an end. Mark my words: U2 will experiment again, when they're ready. And I think they are. They're itching, now. Even Larry said they want to start experimenting again. It will happen, and when it happens U2 will remain as true to themselves as they ever have.

As for Radiohead, I respect them for doing what they want to do as well. But they've never had the ambition to be the biggest band in the world. U2 wants it, they don't. Is it wrong to want it?
great post!

...at first I thought we were in for another All That You Cant/Atomic Bomb 'love in'......but some really good points made.

...and God I hope you're right about the future and experimentation.....I think you are, but god I just hope so.....

..we tend to associate u2 experimenting with the words 'distort' and 'electronica'......but Im sure they'll want to go somewhere different again on top of this, so it really could be interesting I think....

...dont want to turn this into coldplay-bashing, so please, noone take the non-existent bait, but I read a link yesterday with Chris saying how they view their albums as 'trilogies' and they want to move on now and start experimenting....with.....'electronica'........jesus, what a snore. someone tell these people that that is NOT 'experimenting' anymore.....it has become a cliché for experimenting, on the back of Bowie, U2 and Radiohead......they were experiments at 'that' times, but Electronica has been abused to death over the last decade....we're in a different musical environment now, I just wich all these people would grow some more balls...

..sorry.
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Well... the thing is it's not just the change in musical direction that pissed me and other fans off...

1. Making a mess out of the 90s Best Of, by not only remixing and butchering perfectly good songs but also by including 2 songs from the 00s just so it would sell better!

2. Apologizing for Pop (unfinished blah blah), Popmart etc. They seem to practically dis-own that gem of an album!

3. The lyrics have gone down recently but I admit that's only my opinion!

4. Is it just me or does Bono overdo everything!!! Everything is super hyped up! Over produced! Over worked! Extreme stage posturing even more so than in the past! It's so obvious he's trying hard to be the biggest in the world! Like Lennon?... or maybe Jesus??? You say there's nothing wrong in that? Ok, that's fine.

But when somebody's trying too hard to project an image, it's just not that attractive IMO.


Just thinking out aloud here, don't kill me.
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so, following the u2 blueprint, if the 00s are radiohead's "experimental" decade, will the 10s herald their return to "safe" music?
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so, following the u2 blueprint, if the 00s are radiohead's "experimental" decade, will the 10s herald their return to "safe" music?
You mean songs?

We can only hope.
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so, following the u2 blueprint, if the 00s are radiohead's "experimental" decade, will the 10s herald their return to "safe" music?
lets hope radiohead don't follow U2.
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Well... the thing is it's not just the change in musical direction that pissed me and other fans off...

1. Making a mess out of the 90s Best Of, by not only remixing and butchering perfectly good songs but also by including 2 songs from the 00s just so it would sell better!

2. Apologizing for Pop (unfinished blah blah), Popmart etc. They seem to practically dis-own that gem of an album!

3. The lyrics have gone down recently but I admit that's only my opinion!

4. Is it just me or does Bono overdo everything!!! Everything is super hyped up! Over produced! Over worked! Extreme stage posturing even more so than in the past! It's so obvious he's trying hard to be the biggest in the world! Like Lennon?... or maybe Jesus??? You say there's nothing wrong in that? Ok, that's fine.

But when somebody's trying too hard to project an image, it's just not that attractive IMO.


Just thinking out aloud here, don't kill me.
Totally agree with every one of your points.

Especially Pop. God....if only THEY would stop apologising for it, it would begin to get the credit it deserves.......

...notice that in this months Q Magazine with the 100 greatest albums of all time poll, Pop is listed as 1 of 10 'almost' classic albums....

...its a start!
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lets hope radiohead don't follow U2.
My sentiment is that they do. I hope they rediscover the power of song, and stop recording the sound of melting legos. They seem to do everything they can to actually avoid writing and recording a direct song.

Leave the sampler, drum machine, and vintage computer effects off the next record. It's stale. They've done it. Move on. Find a new inspiration.
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My sentiment is that they do. I hope they rediscover the power of song, and stop recording the sound of melting legos. They seem to do everything they can to actually avoid writing and recording a direct song.

Leave the sampler, drum machine, and vintage computer effects off the next record. It's stale. They've done it. Move on. Find a new inspiration.
In a way I agree with you, I hope they write some more "actual songs" but I also hope that they don't quit experimenting.
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