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Old 10-21-2002, 10:00 PM   #21
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(That said, pitchforkmedia.com's review of ATYCLB pretty much hits the nail on the proverbial head. It includes one of my favorite lines from any U2 review ever:

""Elevation" slaughters hope with reckless chops of the hackneyed sword, as Bono commits songwriting faux pas #1: rhyming "sky" with "fly" and "high." The details will be spared, but you can work it out. Damn you, god and aerodynamics, for making altitude a necessity for flight, in the sky, which happens to be above us.")
lol, that's hilarious

I know this is really awful but I found myself agreeing with a lot of what this guy said in his review. Except about POP and about Bono being an ass of course...

*sigh* I know, I'm a bad, bad, terrible fan
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He's pretty harsh... But I would have to agree that U2 have never been as impressive as they were in '91-'93.
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one thing i will never understand is when music magazines (or sites) have a non-fan (i mean someone who professes their hatred of the band like this guy does) write a review. i think it's not fair, really. just like i don't think it's fair for a fan to review an album.

you wouldn't want me reviewing a U2 album, but you also wouldn't want me reviewing, say, a creed album. neither would be fair, because i'd already be going into it loving U2 or hating creed. neither review would come out in a fair light. it'd be better if i were to review, say, a coldplay album. i have a neutral view of the band, so i;d be going into it fairly unbiased.

that's my only beef with the article. of course i disagree with just about everything he said, but you have to take into account that he started off saying he wasn't a fan. at least he was straight up from the get go, but that was very unprofessional for the music site to have someone like him review it.
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Old 10-22-2002, 12:19 AM   #24
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one thing i will never understand is when music magazines (or sites) have a non-fan (i mean someone who professes their hatred of the band like this guy does) write a review. i think it's not fair, really. just like i don't think it's fair for a fan to review an album.

you wouldn't want me reviewing a U2 album, but you also wouldn't want me reviewing, say, a creed album. neither would be fair, because i'd already be going into it loving U2 or hating creed. neither review would come out in a fair light. it'd be better if i were to review, say, a coldplay album. i have a neutral view of the band, so i;d be going into it fairly unbiased.

that's my only beef with the article. of course i disagree with just about everything he said, but you have to take into account that he started off saying he wasn't a fan. at least he was straight up from the get go, but that was very unprofessional for the music site to have someone like him review it.
Actually, he is a fan. He simply held his fandom in suspension during the years between War and Achtung Baby, then became a fan again just in time for Achtung Baby and Zooropa, and later was iffy about the whole Pop era. Once ATYCLB was released, he went back into suspension, on the grounds that U2 had suddenly become "corporate whores" (like they weren't always? - totally joking!)
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Why?

Why will it stir the pot? Obviously the reviewer has not heard the album so it isn't really a review but a speculative essay.

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Heh, that was one vitriolic blast. Hell hath no fury like a former U2 fan scorned,
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I agree with pretty much everything he said... except for the part about Pop, which is like my favourite album. But ever since I just feel that U2 has turned into a couple of cowards. I'm still hoping for a miracle, but I donšt think it will happen anymore unfortunately.
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The guy is too negative and obiously biased, BUT I agree with a lot of things he said, especialy about ATYCLB...
And I feel the same thing he feels when listening to Last Night - starts totaly interesting and than just falls apart..., and about Bono apologizing for zooropa...
now when I think back it seems that I agree with a lot points in that article
but I don't want to believe and I don't think that they went corporate, at least not to the extent the guy is telling us...
I just think that 1990-1997 were totaly interesting, dangerous and exciteing, and now it's nice, clean and DULL!!! three words that describe ES. And if it wasn't for elevation tour and their gig in Toino where I went, that cd would be collecting dust in my house... this way I even listen to a song or two sometimes...

damn - now I brought myself in state of depresion! why are they going back again with their music? I don't want to hear U2 doing The Who! DAmn, damn, damn...
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Public transportation companies get such a glorious reviews. Isnt it amazing how one can just flick off some of the most amazing sounds of an era. Its too easy.Either I am a fool, or this is a very mediocre band.
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1. I agree with almost nothing this "reviewer" wrote (I agree POP doesn't have to great a production, but that's about it)
2. it isn't a well written article
* to disregard any bands work because of supposed 'self-righteousness' (like he managed to do with U2's entire 80's output bar War) doesn't make much sense
at least say something about the music
or the lyrics
but to just brush music aside because you don't like the way the band is presented in the media is lame esp. for someone who pretends to be a critic
* when you claim POP is so badly produced like this man does, then why attack the band when they remix those songs for a best of
this way it's just impossible for the band to do right in your eyes
put on the original versions - which you say sound crappy - or remix the songs - which would mean you admit the original version was that good (btw until now I have never heard of remixes being regarded as an apology for the original version, but that may just be me)
at least make up your mind
* claiming Zooropa isn't represented the right way while there are still 3 songs (Which would be 30% of the album) is argueble
when this is your main gripe (together with the POP remixes) one gets to wonder what it WOULD take to please this individual
as long as U2 doesn't put the exact tracks he wants on the best of he sees this as a reason to whine
* making a point to accolade Eno for his work as a producer while totally disregarding U2's 80's output where Eno's influence was at least as big is nothing short but mindbaffling


in conclusion
even I could write total crap like this without using 99,9 % of my brain
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I'm quite pissed off of the fan(s) who agreed with the reviewer that U2 "sold themselves out" (what the hell does this mean exactly?) and the "glory days" are behind them.

Am I the only one who thinks that ATYCLB and the Elevation Tour are just as good as AB and Zoo TV? It's like banging into walls here!

I'm pretty disapointed. I thought I'd come to this thread to see people viciously against the review. Did anyone ever consider supporting the Best Of 1990-2000 instead of bitching about it? It's like the fact that there were twice as many replies in the "Songs you hate" thread than the "Songs you love" thread.

I guess they didn't.
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Old 10-22-2002, 02:52 PM   #32
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I agree that ATYCLB and the Elevation Tour were some of U2's best work. More people should be pissed about this article cause it's the typical anti-U2 fare, but the problem is lots of U2 fans don't like the band anymore, but try to convince themselves they do.
"Where's the rock?"
"Why aren't they experimenting?"
"They like America too much."
"What song do you kinda like?"

I'm glad I don't have to hang out w/ most of these people, cause I don't think they'd let you enjoy the music. Remember that little thing called music? nobody does.
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...but the problem is lots of U2 fans don't like the band anymore, but try to convince themselves they do.
Careful, I think you're teetering dangerously close to the truth with that statement.
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hey maybe u right , U2 , i still don't understand this new direction of the band , fuck it , it's not even new ! i don't give a fuck what " boyz " are saying now , you must judge the band , not by thier words only , but what they're speaking at the present time ( pop in 97 ) ( AB and Zooropa in 1992-94 ) , ( JT in 1987 etc etc ) . They became so light and extremely rich , so i can call it financial success , music is only the second matter , Tour , Album , all this promotion makes me vomit , i was attracted by U2 in 1997-99 by thier music , lyrics in different and very interesting mmod , and they trying to be in baby's shoes again ( talking about simplicity and Edge talking " WAR + AB " Fuck the past , you can't re-done this , you can't remix pop tunes , and if you doing this , this is called disrespect towards fans .
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I agree that ATYCLB and the Elevation Tour were some of U2's best work. More people should be pissed about this article cause it's the typical anti-U2 fare, but the problem is lots of U2 fans don't like the band anymore, but try to convince themselves they do.
"Where's the rock?"
"Why aren't they experimenting?"
"They like America too much."
"What song do you kinda like?"

I'm glad I don't have to hang out w/ most of these people, cause I don't think they'd let you enjoy the music. Remember that little thing called music? nobody does.
i would just like to point something out: If I say something like that or to that efect, that doesn't mean that I don't like them now! Elevation tour is, for me, far better than POP and very close to Zoo TV, but the music is not exciting to me as it used to be...
so If I say something like this than I'm some kind of trol? or what?
get over yourself and start to respect other people's opinion... I love U2 but on every album there is something that I don't like - should I keep my moth shut just so you don't get excited about it? I'm emidiatly a lesser fan?
I think that the guy who wrote that review is complexed and truboled a**holo, but I found some sentiments that I can share with him.... Is it so wrong?
Or do you feel hurt b/c a lot of people doesnt share your opinion? grow up...
and afther that post I'm glad that you wouldn't want to hang out with likes of me...

It's sad - not liking people only b/c of your difference in opinion about MUSIC. Yes it's MUSIC, it's not life or death, religion, politics... I bet you live in a narow society...

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I became a fan in 92 because of "Achtung Baby".

I was blown away by each of the 80's albums(and subsequent 90s output) as I bought them after I heard "Achtung Baby".

"All That You Can't Leave Behind" brought U2 a new audience, and gave us older fans some of their best work ever.

This "guy" is a fucking moron.

Thank you.
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Obviously, this guy is an arrogant, ignorant, disrespectful little prick.
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Obviously, this guy is an arrogant, ignorant, disrespectful little prick.
That's somewhat harsh.

I honestly can see where he is coming from, but I don't think he's thought out many of his points, as Salome has already pointed out. Also, his attitude kind of hinders whatever good intentions he has. He shoots his credibility away because of this, and also because - as has been pointed out - he hasn't actually listened to the disc. Also, his obvious manipulation tactics don't leave a good impression on me. He is pissed off, but I think he needs to be a bit more concrete as to why he is (for his sake as well as ours).
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you people lose perspective so easily when it comes to u2.

its rather amusing. you hold u2 to untouchable hights, and cant stand any critism.

ofcourse this guy was a bit off, but the essense of what hes saying is right. u2 has sold out.

and dont even try to disagree with that.

you can try and try and try and forget about the target and best buy shananigans back a few months ago, but no matter how hard you try and forget about that, it still happened.

i still like u2, but i dont like their new fans. a bunch of loser matchbox twenty crybabies that dont know good music from their own ass.

*i was originally gonna edit the spelling, but i lost interest.
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That's somewhat harsh.
Yeah, you're prolly right... I just had to get that out.

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you people lose perspective so easily when it comes to u2.
Nah... not really, not me at least.

I just felt that the critic was somewhat snobbish and pretentious.
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