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Zootlesque said:




But I still maintain that Zooropa and Pop were the most innovative albums of U2's career...

Oh GOD yes. I'm not a huge fan of ATYCLB and HTDAAB (both aren't bad, but fairly mediocre in my opinion), but Zooropa and Pop blow my fucking mind.
 
I still love this album.

"Crumbs" is my 2nd favorite song on it, and if COBL didn't have such happy memories for me (I first heard it at the Brooklyn Bridge show, with the lights of lower Manhattan as a backdrop for the band), it would be my favorite on the album. I feel cheated that I didn't get to hear it in concert.

One Step Closer is the one dud on the album. It should have been scrapped for Mercy. Mercy :bow: :bow:

And that's my 2 cents.
 
LemonMacPhisto said:
How do you measure album quality then?

The unabashed reviews of indietastic mags like Pitchfork?

Chiz brings up a great point, they have marketed themselves differently this decade. It was a direct cause of the success of ATYCLB, if it had flopped in the US (by U2 standards), they wouldn't have that "Biggest Band in the World" moniker.

Truth is, I think most people here are extremely critical of U2 like a parent is to a prodigal son. They will always create something good, and you'll enjoy it, but you think they might be capable of so much more.

I'd take some of U2's "worst" songs over the "most popular" songs on the radio any day of the week, but that's just me.

:bow: This post gets at least two of these: :up: :up: and I'll throw in one of these as well: :drool: because I wish I could come up with something half as well written...

I think you have totally expressed how most of us feel about the band; there is a feeling of "If only they did it this way..." or "That could have been so much better..." but it comes from a very personal love of the band and it's music, not a dislike of everything U2 does.

Although I personally fall into the camp of "U2 did their best work in the 90s" I do not hate ATYCLB or HTDATB, I enjoy pretty much everything they do. Does this make me some kind of sheep? I don't think so, I don't blindly like all U2 material but as a whole there is a certain "U2 Sound" which appeals to me as a listener, whether its IWF or BTBS or Lemon or Mofo or Vertigo or whatever. It's something about the way all 4 members sound combined - something intangible I'm sure, which makes me love U2. It's funny, there will be stretches of time where I will stop listening for weeks at a time and then BAM! I hear a song I love and I'm back into it and I honestly don't think I will ever stop loving U2.

In closing your honor :wink: My current favourite off of Bomb is ABOY, which I see has taken quite a beating in this thread alone. I see no need in defending it since everybody has their own opinion anyway but I will say that I think it rocks... :tongue:
 
PlaTheGreat said:
Yeah but music isn't relatable to Pepsi.

At least you can put U2 music on your U2 iPod.

Something like that.

Yeah, but you can smash your iPod open and pour Pepsi into it, duh. :tsk:
 
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wolfwill23 said:

I know they're getting older, but it's a shame to sit down and realize that this band doesn't have a lot of gas left in the tank. I hope with the new album they go off and try some new things. I don't think records should be left-overs from other albums but rather an cohesive experience from start to finish.

Thanks for the good tunes U2 and I hope the next one is something memorable. Best of luck.

i hope you do realize that most U2 albums consist of "ideas" from past albums. they're not left overs. as a musician, i know that personally. sometimes songs take 5 years to develop.

as far as there being no gas left in the tank, that's just an inaccurate statement. just because they're not making music how you want them to doesn't mean they've lost it. maybe they've lost your attention, but that doesn't mean that they're not good at what they do anymore.
 
I certainly don't expect something 'revolutionary' from U2 and I never have. The problem with HTDAAB is the average songwriting and the sappy, idealistic lyrics like 'freedom has a scent, like the top of a new born baby's head' yuck! This coming from someone who wrote a line like 'every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a theif, all kill their inspiration and sing about the grief'.

Bono seems to have lost that sense of irony which is the sole reason he got away with so much in the early 90's. I can never understand why people like 'Crumbs' so much. You only have to listen to the acousitc version on the bonus HTDAAB disc to realise it is an ordinary song. The way he rhymes 'able' with 'table' just makes me cringe.

Bono is no longer the fly, he is no longer hero and villan. He is a product. Their music is now like an episode of Oprah, it's safe and it's in-offensive and that is something I never wanted U2 to become. It feels like they just pumped this album out so they could tour and say more things about all the campaigns and the missions and wars that Bono is fighting.

Bono has to leave the politics for a while. It seems like he's afraid to say anything to offensive or scathing in case he loses some important friends that he's made. The Edge has to get that fire back and use some of his recent tragedies to spark something brilliant within him.

Bono used to really move me and give me chills when he went on his rants because it was so spontaneous and so angry. Now it feels like he's doing a late night info-mercial or he's a sappy pentacostal preacher or something.

Anyway, that's all I have to say. I think if Bono and Edge really thouight about it, they would agree with what I'm saying. Unless they're just to far up their own asses now to realise.
 
carrotflowers said:
I certainly don't expect something 'revolutionary' from U2 and I never have. The problem with HTDAAB is the average songwriting and the sappy, idealistic lyrics like 'freedom has a scent, like the top of a new born baby's head' yuck! This coming from someone who wrote a line like 'every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a theif, all kill their inspiration and sing about the grief'.

Bono seems to have lost that sense of irony which is the sole reason he got away with so much in the early 90's. I can never understand why people like 'Crumbs' so much. You only have to listen to the acousitc version on the bonus HTDAAB disc to realise it is an ordinary song. The way he rhymes 'able' with 'table' just makes me cringe.

Bono is no longer the fly, he is no longer hero and villan. He is a product. Their music is now like an episode of Oprah, it's safe and it's in-offensive and that is something I never wanted U2 to become. It feels like they just pumped this album out so they could tour and say more things about all the campaigns and the missions and wars that Bono is fighting.

Bono has to leave the politics for a while. It seems like he's afraid to say anything to offensive or scathing in case he loses some important friends that he's made. The Edge has to get that fire back and use some of his recent tragedies to spark something brilliant within him.

Bono used to really move me and give me chills when he went on his rants because it was so spontaneous and so angry. Now it feels like he's doing a late night info-mercial or he's a sappy pentacostal preacher or something.

Anyway, that's all I have to say. I think if Bono and Edge really thouight about it, they would agree with what I'm saying. Unless they're just to far up their own asses now to realise.

**hands flame-retardant suit**
 
carrotflowers said:
I certainly don't expect something 'revolutionary' from U2 and I never have. The problem with HTDAAB is the average songwriting and the sappy, idealistic lyrics like 'freedom has a scent, like the top of a new born baby's head' yuck! This coming from someone who wrote a line like 'every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a theif, all kill their inspiration and sing about the grief'.

Bono seems to have lost that sense of irony which is the sole reason he got away with so much in the early 90's. I can never understand why people like 'Crumbs' so much. You only have to listen to the acousitc version on the bonus HTDAAB disc to realise it is an ordinary song. The way he rhymes 'able' with 'table' just makes me cringe.

Bono is no longer the fly, he is no longer hero and villan. He is a product. Their music is now like an episode of Oprah, it's safe and it's in-offensive and that is something I never wanted U2 to become. It feels like they just pumped this album out so they could tour and say more things about all the campaigns and the missions and wars that Bono is fighting.

Bono has to leave the politics for a while. It seems like he's afraid to say anything to offensive or scathing in case he loses some important friends that he's made. The Edge has to get that fire back and use some of his recent tragedies to spark something brilliant within him.

Bono used to really move me and give me chills when he went on his rants because it was so spontaneous and so angry. Now it feels like he's doing a late night info-mercial or he's a sappy pentacostal preacher or something.

Anyway, that's all I have to say. I think if Bono and Edge really thouight about it, they would agree with what I'm saying. Unless they're just to far up their own asses now to realise.

I feel ya, bra!! Totally agree, although Bono is way too deep into the political game right now to just drop it. It wouldn't really make sense for him or his cause. Also, I don't really care what the fuck they do on or off stage, just write a decent album for Christ's sake!! Writing songs is the biggest problem. If they're writing was top-notch as it was in the past, then i wouldn't give a crap what Bono is up to when he ain't singing.
 
ozeeko said:


I feel ya, bra!! Totally agree, although Bono is way too deep into the political game right now to just drop it. It wouldn't really make sense for him or his cause. Also, I don't really care what the fuck they do on or off stage, just write a decent album for Christ's sake!! Writing songs is the biggest problem. If they're writing was top-notch as it was in the past, then i wouldn't give a crap what Bono is up to when he ain't singing.

Although I can see how it appears for yourself it's strange because if you gave a crap about the music back then and you really took it and believed it so much, then you would care what he is trying to do for the planet. I did and do.

It seems now that he actually is in a position to create some real change you crucify him for it. Which is the exact reason The Fly and ZOO TV came about in the first place. Very strange.

Yeah U2's not smart arse like it was in the 90's like they used to be. But I this is not the time to be smartarse.
This is the time to be honest lean and have no clutter and have no possibile mis interpretations of what you represent. It's about doing not saying
 
I still really like HTDAAB. Personally I think it's one of U2's top 3 maybe 4 albums. I like it alot better than ATYCLB(which I liked as well) so I think they're moving forward. What do people really expect though? I mean if people are always gonna look back and wish U2 was more like they were ten, 15, 20 years ago than fine but at the same time if u2 reverts back to those ways they're simply rehashing themselves. They can't win. People want the "old" U2 and when they get it they complain that U2 doesn't take risks anymore and if they did people would complain that it's not enough like U2. It's a never ending cycle. People need to stop expecting classic albums every single release. It just can't happen. Then again U2 is one of the very few bands ever really, who do have such high expectations every time they release an album and to me that says alot about their entire catelogue as a whole not just Johua Tree and Achtung Baby. Just keep in mind people that U2's "forgettable albums" are most often so much greater than the alternatives.
 
Hallucination said:
I still really like HTDAAB. Personally I think it's one of U2's top 3 maybe 4 albums. I like it alot better than ATYCLB(which I liked as well) so I think they're moving forward. What do people really expect though? I mean if people are always gonna look back and wish U2 was more like they were ten, 15, 20 years ago than fine but at the same time if u2 reverts back to those ways they're simply rehashing themselves. They can't win. People want the "old" U2 and when they get it they complain that U2 doesn't take risks anymore and if they did people would complain that it's not enough like U2. It's a never ending cycle. People need to stop expecting classic albums every single release. It just can't happen. Then again U2 is one of the very few bands ever really, who do have such high expectations every time they release an album and to me that says alot about their entire catelogue as a whole not just Johua Tree and Achtung Baby. Just keep in mind people that U2's "forgettable albums" are most often so much greater than the alternatives.


Yeah exactly

And also classic albums are never just classic albums.
It takes years.. I know when I listen to HTDAAB in 2010, Vertigo will be like :drool: and so will COBL and SYCMIOYO
 
LuvandPeace1980 said:


Although I can see how it appears for yourself it's strange because if you gave a crap about the music back then and you really took it and believed it so much, then you would care what he is trying to do for the planet. I did and do.

It seems now that he actually is in a position to create some real change you crucify him for it. Which is the exact reason The Fly and ZOO TV came about in the first place. Very strange.

Yeah U2's not smart arse like it was in the 90's like they used to be. But I this is not the time to be smartarse.
This is the time to be honest lean and have no clutter and have no possibile mis interpretations of what you represent. It's about doing not saying

You are sorrily mistaken, sir. I wasn't bashing Bono's political career. I was actually saying it makes no sense to pull back from it just so he can focus on U2, for the reason that he is so deeply involved. I hope he gets a lot done in the world. Unfortunately, this has been affecting his creative works with the Band, and if it were up to me I'd say quit the band (or atleast take an extended break) and just focus on the worldly issues, cuz i believe he'd get more done (and I believe i wouldn't be wasting any more money on crap albums). This is a dangerous position to take, but since I'm all for saving the world (and a couple bucks...not funny?), I'd go with Bono just being a politician. However....if he could find a way...find a way...to be great at both things simultaneously, then I'd be all for the rockstar/politician double life thing. But at the moment he is seriously sucking the life out of what used to be an electrifying rock band. Therefore, I float the idea...why not just be great at one thing? And unfortunately, that means U2 and the fans would have to suffer. But the rest of the world would benefit. Maybe. Who knows. In closing, I stated in my previous post that I really wouldn't care at all what Bono does off-stage (charity work, political games, lapdances) if I was satisfied with the music. It sounds more selfish than it really is. Think about it, when you buy a U2 album, are you buying it because you WANT it because you NEED it? When you purchase U2's most recent album, are you excited to hear awesome music, or are you excited because maybe the 16 dollars you laid down with go towards saving a life in some third world country out there (i'll be honest it's not my 1st nor is it the 10th thought that goes into buying a U2 CD..maybe ure a better man/woman than I am.) I sense you are confused and I'll spell it out for you... JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE "HOW TO DISMANTLE AN ATOMIC BOMB" DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE FROM AFRICA TO DIE!!! IT'S MUSIC, YOU LISTEN TO IT BECAUSE YOU ENJOY IT!! IT'S A PLEASUREABLE ACTIVITY. IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU GETTING WHAT YOU WANT! AND WHEN YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT...you feel disappointed and say things like "this album sucks" or "what the fuck were they smoking?". Boo-friggin hoo. Bashing this album isn't going to weaken nor strengthen the situation over there in Africa. And when asked if it's better that Bono's following his political dreams, I say whatever the hell he wants to do offstage is fine with me. It doesn't matter. After all, I didn't get into U2 for the charity work. I got into U2 for the music. I'm all for curing the world of AIDS, and I'm all for U2 releasing great albums. If you're not able to make interesting music anymore because you're spending more than 3 quarters of the year fighting for the Africa cause, I say fuck it! Quit the band! Come back to it when you got the time! I'm outta here! See ya!
 
carrotflowers said:
I certainly don't expect something 'revolutionary' from U2 and I never have. The problem with HTDAAB is the average songwriting and the sappy, idealistic lyrics like 'freedom has a scent, like the top of a new born baby's head' yuck! This coming from someone who wrote a line like 'every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a theif, all kill their inspiration and sing about the grief'.

Bono seems to have lost that sense of irony which is the sole reason he got away with so much in the early 90's. Bono is no longer the fly, he is no longer hero and villan. He is a product.

You quoted one of Bono's best lyrics as an "example" of "typical" writing to compare against what you feel is a bad lyric. Why didn't you compare that line to some of the utter trite that's present in songs like "Babyface" or "Some Days..."? Why don't you compare that line to "I can't live... with or without you... oh-oh-oh-oh..."?

I admit, the "baby's head" line isn't my favorite either. But it's an image that cleary made an impact on Bono (as he used that line elsewhere in the outtakes). Bono's all about imagery in his lyrics (sky, kneel, blood, feel, etc.) and I believe he associates that scent with the innocence of a child. That innocence is freedom. It may not be his best imagery, but it's one that appeals to Bono.

As for your absurd comment that he's "no longer the fly" - uh, he was this character for what - a year? It's not 1992 any more.

And I feel Bono is infinitely more heroic now than he's ever been.

Bono's lyrics have taken on a more personal aspect. It's all too easy for him to attack what's out there. In the 80's, he attacked the "powers that be". In the early 90's, he mocked commercialism. But slowly, he turned inward. And perhaps it's this phase of his lyrics you don't like. I accept that. But there's been quite a lot of good from this era as well. "Mojo" was very personal. "Love & Peace" was perhaps the best anti-war song Bono's written (both abstract, yet powerful). "Vertigo" is all about imagery - and a far more interesting thought than "desert rose".

If one doesn't like an era, I accept that. But to not like an era and then say how Bono's a "product" or a "sell out" is quite insulting - both to Bono and to fans who like that work.
 
I am neither sorry or mistaken

So you would be happy if he just gave up U2 for a while? Fuck that! Why are you even bothering with this post mr poopy pants
:wink:

I feel he is great at both jobs.. and the jobs work hand in hand, thats just a matter of opinion. It would be very difficult in his position and I admire him for how he keeps it balanced.

If you could explain how he is doing a bad job let me know.

I personally think that HTDAAB has some brilliant levels and amazing heart.
It's not smart arse at all it just knows what it is and never try's to be anything else.

And yeah I first ever listened to U2 and thought this is catchy and well thought out but what keeps me coming back is that I have hope and I want whats right thats why I listen to the music, thats my hook.. Thats why edge is still in U2 cause he cares and that is why I follow U2 and other bands. Because there is hope and whats right in the music. They have an ambition which they won't let go of

Thats why I buy it everytime but I don't have to worry about whether it's good or not cause I know U2 don't want it to not be shit.

As I said a classic album needs time and it's still their last so give it some time
 
doctorwho said:

Bono's lyrics have taken on a more personal aspect. It's all too easy for him to attack what's out there. In the 80's, he attacked the "powers that be". In the early 90's, he mocked commercialism. But slowly, he turned inward. And perhaps it's this phase of his lyrics you don't like. I accept that. But there's been quite a lot of good from this era as well. "Mojo" was very personal. "Love & Peace" was perhaps the best anti-war song Bono's written (both abstract, yet powerful). "Vertigo" is all about imagery - and a far more interesting thought than "desert rose".


Your spot on with where his lyric writing is.. it's probably quite new to him and as he has said so many times, it's hard to write about joy and it's impossible to fake it

The music has become more internal and he has turned on himself even in his lyrics, it's the whole become the change you want to see scenario, I think people want Bono towrite lashing out or 'having digs' type songs.
But fixing and action don't involve lashing out, they involve acceptance, tolerance, patience, asking and working as one.

Hence why there are no lashing out type songs on HTDAAB or ATYCLB
 
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Hallucination said:
I still really like HTDAAB. Personally I think it's one of U2's top 3 maybe 4 albums. I like it alot better than ATYCLB(which I liked as well) so I think they're moving forward. What do people really expect though? I mean if people are always gonna look back and wish U2 was more like they were ten, 15, 20 years ago than fine but at the same time if u2 reverts back to those ways they're simply rehashing themselves. They can't win. People want the "old" U2 and when they get it they complain that U2 doesn't take risks anymore and if they did people would complain that it's not enough like U2. It's a never ending cycle. People need to stop expecting classic albums every single release. It just can't happen. Then again U2 is one of the very few bands ever really, who do have such high expectations every time they release an album and to me that says alot about their entire catelogue as a whole not just Johua Tree and Achtung Baby. Just keep in mind people that U2's "forgettable albums" are most often so much greater than the alternatives.

I could name about one hundred albums that are more thought provoking, more innovative, more emotional and just better. Take Arcade Fire's 'funeral' for example, this albums walks all over HTDAAB. U2 even had one of their songs as the opening to their shows last year, which proves U2 still have an idea of what great music is. Songs like 'Crumbs', 'All Because Of You', 'AMAAW', 'OSCTK', 'Yaweh' (oh god that's such an awful song) are all below the bar U2 has previously set. They are ordinary songs, they are lyrically dry, they are safe, they are inoffensive and I'm sorry war child but this generation doesn't respond to those sorts of things. They see through things like that, they see safe, inoffensive things all day on their tv's, they hear it all the time from their politicians.

I said it before, I'm not after innovation and honestly, I don't mind if a band wants to repeat themselves but if they're going to do it, do it better than before. An album like HTDAAB just sounds like the blueprint for a better U2 album like ummmm, gee, I don't know, The Joshua Tree maybe!!

I don't know how you can sit back and listen to this album and feel provoked in anyway about the tragedies going on in the world today. I don't know how you can listen to it without feeling cheap because let's face it, you are accepting average material from a band you have spent probably about 400 to 500 dollars on in the past. They are treating their fans like fools when they release crap like this, they basically think they're are so good and their fan-base is so loyal that they can release anything and we'll all swallow it. I refuse to swallow it, I don't care what the hell Bono is doing for the world, if it's so great then leave U2 and become a politician. Don't release sub-par material and pretend you're so sincere about the whole thing. Mediocrity is terrible when it's marketed as sincerity.

Bono does a lot for the world and that is great, but U2 no longer speak to this generation. I don't go to a concert and think 'yeah!, let's save the world with Bono!' I think 'Yeah, play some of your old stuff when you actually gave a toss about what you sounded like!'.

Bono fails to realise that the only reason he is in a position of power is because U2 were so great, now he is selling himself and his fans short. The more MOR and safe their music becomes, the more of a joke Bono becomes. Wether that's right or wrong it's true and it's just how the public work. Once the band goes down, everyone in the band goes down with it and any campaign or fight is damaged beyond recovery because it has been shrouded in a cloak of mediocrity and ageing rock stars still clutching at former glory which has long since left them.

Don't sell yourself out just because Bono is a great guy, so what?
Expect more from this band or else they really will think they can release any old crap and we'll swallow it. Search deep within yourself and listen to HTDAAB and tell me you don't feel a little dirty afterwards, a little bit like a corporate hack. After all, all you know is wrong, right?
 
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carrotflowers said:

Bono does a lot for the world and that is great, but U2 no longer speak to this generation. I don't go to a concert and think 'yeah!, let's save the world with Bono!' I think 'Yeah, play some of your old stuff when you actually gave a toss about what you sounded like!'.

:tsk:

For someone who hasn't seen a U2 concert, particulary The Vertigo Tour you sure are making a large assumption . Just wait til you see them in a few weeks and then make up your mind.

I saw 3 shows in Europe last year and they were mind blowing and it's the only concert out there that is about what you call 'saving the world'.
I mean if you can name any other tour out there which even has anything to do with all of the issues within The Vertigo Tour let me know.. Even a U2 one

Of all of U2's tours ever thats what this one is about the most.. You will eat your words after you see them in Adelaide though :wink:
 
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LuvandPeace1980 said:


:tsk:

For someone who hasn't seen a U2 concert, particulary The Vertigo Tour you sure are making a large assumption . Just wait til you see them in a few weeks and then make up your mind.

I saw 3 shows in Europe last year and they were mind blowing and it's the only concert out there that is about what you call 'saving the world'.
I mean if you can name any other tour out there which even has anything to do with all of the issues within The Vertigo Tour let me know.. Even a U2 one

Of all of U2's tours ever thats what this one is about the most.. You will eat your words after you see them in Adelaide though :wink:

who mentioned their tour? I agree, U2 are an amazing live act because they have such a strong back catalogue and one of the greatest performer/singer of the past 30 years but that doesn't give them a licence to release sub-par studio albums does it. Don't believe the hype, only believe what you know to be true and in this case, the truth is as follows - U2 have one of the best live acts around and probably are the greatest band in history (yes I am a massive fan believe it or not) but their last album was pretty much garbage. End of story.

don't get me wrong, I am beyond excited about seeing them and I still love U2 but I refuse to love everything they do, I will still continus to critically analyse their work as I do with every band. I don't think there is much hope for the next album either considering that Rick Rubin (he's slowly becoming one of the worst producers around IMO) is now on board to produce. I would so love another great album from U2, it wouldn't be right if they went out on a sour note, they deserve more than that.
 
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carrotflowers said:


Mediocrity is terrible when it's marketed as sincerity.

As much as I commend you for coming up with that line (did you write that?), I have to disagree with it applying to U2. I would agree if U2 weren't being sincere, but has it occured to you that U2 might actually believe in the music they are making right now?
 
carrotflowers said:


I could name about one hundred albums that are more thought provoking, more innovative, more emotional and just better. Take Arcade Fire's 'funeral' for example, this albums walks all over HTDAAB. U2 even had one of their songs as the opening to their shows last year, which proves U2 still have an idea of what great music is. Songs like 'Crumbs', 'All Because Of You', 'AMAAW', 'OSCTK', 'Yaweh' (oh god that's such an awful song) are all below the bar U2 has previously set. They are ordinary songs, they are lyrically dry, they are safe, they are inoffensive and I'm sorry war child but this generation doesn't respond to those sorts of things. They see through things like that, they see safe, inoffensive things all day on their tv's, they hear it all the time from their politicians.

I said it before, I'm not after innovation and honestly, I don't mind if a band wants to repeat themselves but if they're going to do it, do it better than before. An album like HTDAAB just sounds like the blueprint for a better U2 album like ummmm, gee, I don't know, The Joshua Tree maybe!!

I don't know how you can sit back and listen to this album and feel provoked in anyway about the tragedies going on in the world today. I don't know how you can listen to it without feeling cheap because let's face it, you are accepting average material from a band you have spent probably about 400 to 500 dollars on in the past. They are treating their fans like fools when they release crap like this, they basically think they're are so good and their fan-base is so loyal that they can release anything and we'll all swallow it. I refuse to swallow it, I don't care what the hell Bono is doing for the world, if it's so great then leave U2 and become a politician. Don't release sub-par material and pretend you're so sincere about the whole thing. Mediocrity is terrible when it's marketed as sincerity.

Bono does a lot for the world and that is great, but U2 no longer speak to this generation. I don't go to a concert and think 'yeah!, let's save the world with Bono!' I think 'Yeah, play some of your old stuff when you actually gave a toss about what you sounded like!'.

Bono fails to realise that the only reason he is in a position of power is because U2 were so great, now he is selling himself and his fans short. The more MOR and safe their music becomes, the more of a joke Bono becomes. Wether that's right or wrong it's true and it's just how the public work. Once the band goes down, everyone in the band goes down with it and any campaign or fight is damaged beyond recovery because it has been shrouded in a cloak of mediocrity and ageing rock stars still clutching at former glory which has long since left them.

Don't sell yourself out just because Bono is a great guy, so what?
Expect more from this band or else they really will think they can release any old crap and we'll swallow it. Search deep within yourself and listen to HTDAAB and tell me you don't feel a little dirty afterwards, a little bit like a corporate hack. After all, all you know is wrong, right?

I second this post, as well as every other post in this thread that is made by you...
especially about numerous other bands that are more provoking, exciteing and that are just more interesting and fulfiling than U2 these days....
With last two albums it seems to me that it is all a little bit too programed, too concieous..too I don't know what, it's just not good....
give me interpol, elbow, arcade fire...block party...whatever...or better yet - I would like U2 to give me album that I will not take out of my cd player or of my ipod for months and months and months...and so people can look at me like I'm some kind of freak when they see me on the street with earphones yelling some song from that album...nothing made me do it in last two albums
 
Michael Griffiths said:

As much as I commend you for coming up with that line (did you write that?), I have to disagree with it applying to U2. I would agree if U2 weren't being sincere, but has it occured to you that U2 might actually believe in the music they are making right now?

you may have a point here...
but I'm sad that it still means that they are mediocre :)
 
Given that the songs did make it onto the albums would suggest that they do apparently meet U2's standards. Whether or not they meet your standard is another thing.

It's also odd to compare the lyrics from 80's vs the 90s vs now because the themes and the way of writing are different, not to mention sources of inspiration.
 
Aygo said:
Are you folks still discussing this?:giggle:






:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

yeah...it's fun...
no one can change any one's mind so we are driving in circle...all the same posts from the same people (including me)..
we feel safe here :mac:
 
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