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Ok...I don't like posting stupid little things..but I couldn't resist myself...so please forgive me

But did anyone notice that the second track on each of the 90s cds is about sex?

And for that matter, did anyone notice that the first track on each album is about a place?

After that iit kinda falls apart...One Numb and Mofo don't really go together...I mean I could probably place numb and Mofo together, but not with one


Lemon, Until the End of the World, and if God Will Send his angels????

Staring at the Sun, Stay, and Who's gonna ride....yo usee where I'm going...

So anyway...just a crazy observation I felt the need to point out.
 
Babyface is about sex?
I thought it was about ridiculous celebrity.

a place...that seems pretty arbitrary.
Discotheque seems to be more about a feeling, whether that's the feeling of being on a drug, or about a pop music song.
Zoo Station is the train moving to the next stage. It's more about the journey than the take off point. I think both of those songs are about feelings. Something new and something trivial.
 
Well like I said I was focusing more on the 2nd track....but I always got that opinion from Babyface...maybe I'm worng...songs are up for interpritation aren't they?
 
Oh yeah, I was hoping you might expound on that.
It's all up to interpretation, but your idea presumes what the songs are about.

I always thought it was a pretty superficial song about a superficial idea, Zooropa is my 3rd favorite U2 album and Babyface is maybe #110 on my song list. Hate it.
 
MrBrau1 said:
EBTTRT= Desire/Lust

Babyface= Masturbation

Do You Fee Loved?= Empty Sex

You're on to something.

Babyface is now about masturbation?

I guess I can see that.

I thought the Adam/Naomi Campbell thing was very much upfront on this song "how could beauty be so kind to an ordinary guy"

I always thought it played into their supermodel fascination, which could either be about the ridiculous fascination with these women, in general or just about pulling one out looking at these women. I do see it, now.
 
U2DMfan said:


Babyface is now about masturbation?

I guess I can see that.

I thought the Adam/Naomi Campbell thing was very much upfront on this song "how could beauty be so kind to an ordinary guy"

I always thought it played into their supermodel fascination, which could either be about the ridiculous fascination with these women, in general or just about pulling one out looking at these women. I do see it, now.

I always took Babyface as a wank song.

A guy, watching a video.

Coming home late at night
To turn you on
Checking out every frame
I've got slow motion on my side
Turning around and around
With the sound and colour
Under my control, go
Round and around, going down
Dressed up like a lovely day
 
I never saw EBTTRT as being about sex.

But I definately see Babyface about being infuated with a woman on the TV screen.

DYFL is definately about empty sex.
 
EBTTRT is definately sexual:

Give me one more chance and you'll be satisfied
Give me two more chances, you won't be denied
Well, my heart is where it's always been
My head is somewhere in between
Give me one more chance, let me be your lover tonight
Oh yeah, check it out

:combust:

Keen observation, bono212
 
Ok...I didn't want to come out and say that because I didn't know what was allowed and not allowed to be said...but yes that's where I was going...

EBTTRT: He wants someone
Babyface: He pretends he's with someone (hint hint to what that means)
Do You Feel Love: It definently didn't work out.
 
doubleU said:


But I definately see Babyface about being infuated with a woman on the TV screen.

Yeah, I still think it's about about a fascination with celebrity/supermodel in a general sense, but the 'wankin' it' scenario fits.

I think Bono must have said something about it at one time or another, as I never felt any other way about the song until Brau and his perv mind started talking about yogurt tossing.
 
U2DMfan said:


Yeah, I still think it's about about a fascination with celebrity/supermodel in a general sense, but the 'wankin' it' scenario fits.

I think Bono must have said something about it at one time or another, as I never felt any other way about the song until Brau and his perv mind started talking about yogurt tossing.

He made a reference to videotape and porn when this album was released.
 
doubleU said:


He made a reference to videotape and porn when this album was released.

Since he and the whole band were talking about mass media and information overload, not surprising.

Find some quotes in context, and we'll see. I am not saying your wrong, I am saying at this point you and I are just as 'right'.

I stick by what I think. But I am not afraid to say I got it wrong.
 
well I've always felt it's about porn, as well. Here's a quote from Niall Stokes' "U2 Into the Heart":

"Babyface - 'cover girl with natural grace'-could have been written with any of the band's new model friends in mind, The Edge explains. But it was done with a twist. Bono had always been intrigued by the way in which the media turns consumers into voyeurs. It had been highlighted by the CNN coverage of the Gulf War, which had reduced a terrible human catastrophe to the level of a take it or leave it video game ...

By comparison, pornography--beamed into your home by satellite television--could seem like a benign calling. In the narrative of Zooropa, the camera moves up away from the couple in the opening song and goes in through a window in one of the high-rise buildings in the imaginary city of the future. There's a guy inside, watching a television. He has a remote control and he's slowing down the images. He's turning up the contrast and playing with it. 'It's a song about watching and not being in the picture," Bono says. 'About how people play with images, believing you know somebody through an image-and thinking that by manipulating a machine that in fact controls you, you can have some kind of power. It's about the illusion of being in control.'


From this excerpt I get the sense that it's not so much about pornography itself as it is about the irony of the media in general. As consumers of the media we are able to change the channel or look away, but you cannot escape the effect the media has. I guess pornography was a good format to use because it's so interactive :wink: yet also addictive. You control it but it also controls you. Well those are my late night thought on the matter.
 
Achtung_Bebe said:
well I've always felt it's about porn, as well. Here's a quote from Niall Stokes' "U2 Into the Heart":

"Babyface - 'cover girl with natural grace'-could have been written with any of the band's new model friends in mind, The Edge explains. But it was done with a twist. Bono had always been intrigued by the way in which the media turns consumers into voyeurs. It had been highlighted by the CNN coverage of the Gulf War, which had reduced a terrible human catastrophe to the level of a take it or leave it video game ...

By comparison, pornography--beamed into your home by satellite television--could seem like a benign calling. In the narrative of Zooropa, the camera moves up away from the couple in the opening song and goes in through a window in one of the high-rise buildings in the imaginary city of the future. There's a guy inside, watching a television. He has a remote control and he's slowing down the images. He's turning up the contrast and playing with it. 'It's a song about watching and not being in the picture," Bono says. 'About how people play with images, believing you know somebody through an image-and thinking that by manipulating a machine that in fact controls you, you can have some kind of power. It's about the illusion of being in control.'


From this excerpt I get the sense that it's not so much about pornography itself as it is about the irony of the media in general. As consumers of the media we are able to change the channel or look away, but you cannot escape the effect the media has. I guess pornography was a good format to use because it's so interactive :wink: yet also addictive. You control it but it also controls you. Well those are my late night thought on the matter.

That is the author's deduction.

Read the first line, what Edge says.
Bono says it's about being an illusion of being in control.....
an allusion to celebrity, like an obsession with a figure.

he's not talking about outright sexual things.
It's in between. No more about wanking than stalking.

Maybe if he had written it in 2005, it would be more obvious, more to the point.
 
MrBrau1 said:
EBTTRT= Desire/Lust

Babyface= Masturbation

Do You Fee Loved?= Empty Sex

You're on to something.

Ok, let me take a crack at this.

EBTTRT = Las Vegas

Babyface = Technologies capacity to spur isolation

DYFL = Hedonistic impulses.
 
U2DMfan said:


That is the author's deduction.

Read the first line, what Edge says.
Bono says it's about being an illusion of being in control.....
an allusion to celebrity, like an obsession with a figure.

he's not talking about outright sexual things.
It's in between. No more about wanking than stalking.


yes, I know, I offered the entire passage including the band's quotes. As I said before, I think that the theme of the song could be applied to the media in general and not pornography specifically. But pornography does have its place in this picture.

I'm studying to be a Mass Communication major, and just last semester learned about The Parasocial Interaction Theory. It basically recognizes that some people get so lost in the media that they begin to forget that it's not real. You may start to develop a personal and rather intense relationship with some media figure, and consequently lose touch with reality. This theory suggests that face-to face communication and human contact may be at risk. I think that the man in Babyface had developed a parasocial attachment. Also, I think your mention of stalking is interesting as stalkers have most certaintly lost their grip on reality.

Coming home late at night to turn you on
Checking out every frame
I got slow motion on my side
Turning around and around
With the sound and colour under my control
Round and around, going down
Dressed up like a lovely day


in my opinion, some of the lyrics to this song just shout pornography... but it's not approached as something sick or twisted, but as a part of a virtual reality, which is what Zooropa is so much about. Anyway it would be interesting to read any other quotes on this topic to get a better idea of where Bono was coming from.
 
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