Wayne Gretzky comes out in support of Bush... Gretzky statue gets defaced in response

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http://espn.go.com/nhl/news/2003/0325/1529500.html

EDMONTON, Alberta -- A statue of Wayne Gretzky was adorned with a sign that read "U$ Lackey'' on Tuesday in protest of the hockey star's recent comments supporting President Bush in the war against Iraq.

Employees of Skyreach Centre quickly removed the cardboard sign from the statue at the entrance to the home arena of Gretzky's former team, the Edmonton Oilers.

Earlier this week, Gretzky praised Bush as a great leader, saying he backed him 100 percent. However, Gretzky also shied away from criticizing Canada's decision to stay out of the conflict.

"The reality is, you know, the people we should be concerned about are the people fighting in Iraq, the people who are there on the missions,'' Gretzky said Tuesday.

"We shouldn't be worried about what entertainers or athletes or Wayne Gretzky or Don Cherry says. It's immaterial.''

Cherry and his Hockey Night in Canada cohost Ron MacLean came under criticism for debating the Iraq war on their televised Coach's Corner segment over the weekend.
 
yes, ofcourse its peaceful. but at the same time, everyone has the right to freedom of speech, and wayne's opinion is wayne's opinion. he has the right to say what he wants.
 
I should add, I did not mean to suggest, by my last comment, that only Western society holds the right to free speech. Perhaps I should not have qualified it, as it was misleading to do so. There are many societies that have the right to free speech, not just ours.

As far as Wayne's opinion is concerned, I may not agree with him, but l would always defend his right to hold it. Putting a cardboard sign on his statue was not cool. That said, knowing the people of Edmonton, the person(s) who did it probably feel(s) sacrilegious and is/are praying for forgiveness! Wayne's like a holy figure in that city.
 
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I used to have a little respect for Mr. Cherry, but I don't consider Coach's Corner a hub for political debate... even though Ron isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, he still succeeds in making Don look like an arse...

As for "defacing" the statue of Gretzky, that's bullshit. It was a cardboard sign... in Canada that's how we politely make political statements, because that graffiti is too damn hard to get out. :wink:. I'll be up in Edmonton soon, maybe I'll post a sign on Wayne that says "will work for Bush"... double entendre!
 
Yeah, it's really a Canadian thing. I think you almost have to be one in order to not get offended by it. Gretzky is my favourite player of all time, and I can't tell you how much respect I have for him (perhaps the greatest Canadian ever?), but this "vandalism" really made me laugh! I saw it on the news today, and I couldn't help but burst into hysterics. Seeing a flimsy piece of cardboard taped onto the "great" statue, and then seeing everyone in upheaval over it, does wonders for taking things too seriously.
 
oh who cares, I dont even know why this was reported, next they'll be reporting about someone who puts chewed bubble gum on the ground and forgets to throw it away at Reagan International Airport... saying it was intentionally done to mock his Alzheimer's or something
 
Wanderer, of course it was of some significance. It's just not that big of a deal in comparison to what else is going on right now. Political statements are made all the time. Wayne Gretzky makes them, Bono makes them, and even people who think they have no voices make them by attaching stupid signs to statues. In the end, what can you do but find humour in such stupidity. I suppose it just shows how fucked up the world is right now when something like this makes for light-hearted television. I look for it where I can get it these days. I'm tired of taking myself painfully seriously, I guess (to quote a wise man).
 
i mean it's ridiculous, the headline of this report had me thinking, "what the hell, they spray painted his statue or hit it with a hammer or something... ?"

no, they put a cardboard sign in front of it that is now gone with no damage...

interesting though that you didnt bring this up MG, I hadnt heard that Gretzky came out in favor of the war, that makes him the next Ted Williams or something? (greatest hitter ever to play the game of baseball, fought for the Allies in WWII for airforce, then came back and resumed his brilliant career), ok, maybe not quite the same thing here ;)
 
Wanderer - actually I was going to post it in one of the 5 million hockey threads, but someone beat me to it. I don't think it's really headline worthy though. I just found out about it today, actually. I still don't see what the big deal is. Wayne is a Canadian who now lives in the US. Naturally, his views would be more in line with the average American on this issue (specifically, backing Bush 100%). I don't know why Canadians should find that so hard to comprehend, and why it should matter even. Though, sentimentally, he'll always have a large piece of Canada inside of him, Gretzky is basically an American now. I don't think he will ever move back to Canada. His wife and kids are both American citizens, and almost all his business is down there (including the Coyotes). I say to my fellow Canadians, he always played for team Canada, and did us proud. Let the man be.
 
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well I meant the part about "vandalizing" the statue, that never actually happened; I meant you hadnt mentioned he came out for the war, but I guess it can be dismissed that he is a sell-out to the US

btw, isnt the CBC a government station?
 
Yes, I know you meant that. I understood. I'm simpy saying that I was going to post that he came out for the war, but someone else beat me to it. Or am I misunderstanding you this time?! The CBC is run by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, which I believe is funded, or partly funded, by the government. Why do you ask?
 
Oh, almost forgot: I didn't say he was a sell-out to the US. I guess this gets back to my cryptic and vague writing, which I apologize for. I simply said he is basically an American in most ways, except possibly that of sentimentallity. I don't hold it against him. He's lived down there for years now, and he leads an American life, has American relatives, an American wife and kids, and therefore, would most likely share American political views. It makes sense. It's neither good, bad or indifferent. It's just the way it probably is. I'd hardly call him a sell-out for it.
 
Have you ever hear 'Don't Worry Baby' by the Beach Boys? (It was on the Never Been Kissed Soundtrack.) It's such a great song. I've never been a big fan of the Beach Boys, but this one takes me out of that bad, sad, unfortunate place. Weird how music does that, hey? Mr. Wilson is a genius afterall.
 
Well he was hardcore into drugs... did you hear about the Beach Boys shacking up with Charles Manson... they thought he could have a career in singing... Helter Skelter.
 
Gahhhhhh......for goodness' sakes, let Wayne have his opinion. He's as entitled to his opinion as I am. I don't know why they have to do stupid stuff to his statue......I'm glad it was only a cardboard sign.
 
http://espn.go.com/nhl/news/2003/0404/1533887.html

CBC removes 'inappropriate' video from Web site
ESPN.com news services


For Don Cherry, apparently not all speech is free.

The Toronto Globe and Mail reported Friday that the Web site for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation officially removed a controversial video clip from Coach's Corner on March 22, when Cherry and host Ron MacLean squared off in a heated war debate.

Coach's Corner, an in-between-period segment that airs during the CBC's Hockey Night in Canada broadcast, went from hockey talk to war talk, when the outspoken Cherry criticized Montreal fans who booed the U.S. anthem before a game vs. the New York Islanders. Cherry then took a strong pro-war, pro-American position, while MacLean expressed his anti-war sentiments. A heated seven-minute argument followed.

During the debate, Cherry apologized on behalf of Canadians, saying that "years of pride went down the drain" with the Canadiens fans' behavior.

Cherry, who wore a tie embodying U.S. colors, also went at it with MacLean over the war in Iraq, chiding the Canadian government for its "lack of support to our American friends."

"I hate to see them go it alone," Cherry said during the broadcast. "These guys are over there, they're over there giving it all ... we're just riding their coattails."

MacLean stood firm that it was Canada's right not to go.

"Why attack Iraq if they haven't attacked you?" MacLean said.

The CBC was flooded with more than 1,500 calls and e-mails after the segment, many of them denouncing Cherry's position. The pair was told by CBC brass that the discussion wasn't appropriate, but neither was disciplined.

According to the Globe and Mail's report, some CBC staffers were upset over what they call the network's suppression of information after the network's online department was told a few days ago to erase the exchange between MacLean and Cherry.

The CBC provides a web inventory of all the Coach's Corner shows. But now, one show will be missing.

"The on-line staff were told to take it down," a source close to the network told the newspaper. "They weren't given a reason."

Said a CBC source, "I thought we were supposed to provide information. Coach's Corner might have been the wrong forum for Cherry's comments, but it's still censorship to some extent."

The CBC says otherwise.

"We thought that because Ron and Don are sports commentators and not political commentators there was no reason to put it anywhere else," CBC spokesperson Ruth-Ellen Soles told the Globe and Mail.

But the fact that neither MacLean nor Cherry were disciplined for their exchange seemed to irk others within the news organization.

"If a CBC reporter had gone on the radio, disparaged French Canadians and then said the CBC was run by the government, he would have been fired or at least suspended," a CBC employee told the Globe and Mail. "This speaks to Cherry's power as Hockey Night's cash cow and also the double standard at the network."

Cherry later spoke about the events in a radio interview on the Jim Rome Show.

"You have to realize the CBC is government owned," Cherry said on the program, which is broadcast throughout the United States and Canada. "You have to say the government was against it (the war) and I'm for it and I'm on a government program. I really thought this could be the end."

He added that his pro-American stance brings praise from "ordinary" Canadians but criticism from the media.

"Our media up here is totally left wing," he said. "It's socialist, left wing, pinko, commies. I got ripped to shreds in the left-wing media. That's the chance you take. I don't regret it and If I had to I'd do it over again.

"The true Canadians do not feel the way they do in Quebec there," he added. "Believe me, the majority of the people in Canada love the United States. We know you'd be there to help us and don't think too bad of us.

"It's just a damn shame (Canadiens fans) had to boo the Star Spangled Banner in Quebec," Cherry said on the radio program. "You have to realize it's Quebec and it's French Canadians."

The talk on Coach's Corner turned back to hockey last weekend, and the exchange hasn't hampered MacLean's views of his TV segment partner.

"That's Grapes. He wears his heart on his sleeve," MacLean told the newspaper. "In our medium, it's so tricky nowadays to discern what is sincere. It's the old Dick Schaap line: 'The key to television is sincerity and once you can fake that, you've got it made.' Don is closer to sincerity than most of us ever get. That's admirable, and I'd hate to see that shot down."
 
This sucks! I hadn't seen that episode, and I didn't know it was up at their website!! And now it's gone. Ah, the irony.

Don Cherry is an idiot, but I don't think he should be censored like that. I do think, however, he should have been disiplined for his disparaging remarks against French Canadians. Not only are they just as "Canadian" as the rest of us, but they are also a big part of the CBC's fan base.

I also found his "true" Canadian comment quite ridiculous. Sorry, Don, but look at the recent polls on the war. 70% of Canada doesn't all live in Quebec.
 
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