the verve - Page 2

joyfulgirl · 08-10-2005, 05:24 PM

You like, yes?

[offtopic]You going to the Lucinda Williams show at the Lensic??[/offtopic]

{paintedroses} · 08-10-2005, 05:39 PM

Yay the Verve, they are so good and so easily overlooked by some people. I only own Urban Hymns but am looking to invest in others soon. Richard Ashcroft is amazing..

*has sweet sweet flashback of Richard Ashcroft singing Bittersweet Symphony with Coldplay at Live 8*

u2popmofo · 08-10-2005, 05:42 PM

So I've heard their first album/albums (maybe their later do too, I dont know) have some shoegaze in them. Is this true???

I sure do like that shoegaze.

joyfulgirl · 08-10-2005, 05:58 PM

shoegaze

No shoegaze on Urban Hymns but definitely a couple of ecstasy-inspired trippy spacey stuff mixed in with catchy pop classics.

MrBrau1 · 08-10-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by u2popmofo
So I've heard their first album/albums (maybe their later do too, I dont know) have some shoegaze in them. Is this true???

I sure do like that shoegaze.

Their first album,"A Storm In Heaven", has a song called "Star Sail." Guess it's kinda shoegazer, but more psychedelic and moody than Ride, Lush, MBV, etc.

ladywithspinninghead · 08-10-2005, 07:18 PM

Yep, one of the most underrated bands.
Urban Hymns is one of my favourite albums of all time but make sure you check out History - if you like UH, you''ll love the song History!

Sleep Over Jack · 08-10-2005, 09:16 PM

The 2nd album is better than Urban Hymns, really densely layered and inspiring, not to mention better songwriting overall, in my opinion.

MrBrau1 · 08-10-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Sleep Over Jack
The 2nd album is better than Urban Hymns, really densely layered and inspiring, not to mention better songwriting overall, in my opinion.

Yep. "A Northern Soul" is a band at their peak.

lazarus · 08-11-2005, 03:25 AM

thanks cmb for posting that history of the band.

As if I didn't despise Mick Jagger enough already. It's really disgusting that him and Richards got full royalties when the loop was only one bit of a brilliantly produced track. The idea that they sold it to Nike enrages me.

Luckily I'm able to listen to old Stones records without any side-effects, but god those guys are capitalist douchebags.

MrBrau1 · 08-11-2005, 06:32 AM

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Originally posted by lazarus
thanks cmb for posting that history of the band.

As if I didn't despise Mick Jagger enough already. It's really disgusting that him and Richards got full royalties when the loop was only one bit of a brilliantly produced track. The idea that they sold it to Nike enrages me.

Luckily I'm able to listen to old Stones records without any side-effects, but god those guys are capitalist douchebags.

Don't forget to give it up for The Verve's sheer stupidity. That's as much to blame as Jagger/Richards. They were warned, and went ahead anyway, using a string line that can hardly be heard in the tune, and could have simply been played on a keyboard thus avoidiung the whole mess.

If you choose to go out in the rain w/o an umbrella, don't complain when you get wet.

End result, The Verve did it to themselves.

Needle_Chill · 08-11-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by MrBrau1

Don't forget to give it up for The Verve's sheer stupidity. That's as much to blame as Jagger/Richards. They were warned, and went ahead anyway, using a string line that can hardly be heard in the tune, and could have simply been played on a keyboard thus avoidiung the whole mess.

If you choose to go out in the rain w/o an umbrella, don't complain when you get wet.

End result, The Verve did it to themselves.

It still doesn't make what Jagger and Richards did right. What the hell would they do that for? They basically spit in the face of music by selling such an amazing piece to Nike.

I hope Jagger was able to buy plenty of votox and plastic surgery with all that money...

What a lousy f#%&

gav6519 · 08-11-2005, 07:45 AM

the verve were brilliant!! i was lucky enough to see their last ever concert at slane, and it will go down as one of my finest concert memorys!!

joyfulgirl · 08-11-2005, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Sleep Over Jack
The 2nd album is better than Urban Hymns, really densely layered and inspiring, not to mention better songwriting overall, in my opinion.

I don't need much convincing. I know I need to own this and I can't wait to pick it up.

The Rolling Stones thing sucks. Maybe The Verve were stupid, but the Stones could have taken the high road and been generous about it.

bsp77 · 08-11-2005, 08:27 AM

I don't think Keith and Mick had much control over the situation. They are now affiliated with Virgin (have been for almost 35 years) but ABKCO has the rights to the song The Verve supposedly stole from. ABKCO went after The Verve and The Rolling Stones hardly even talk to ABKCO.

joyfulgirl · 08-11-2005, 12:46 PM

I went to buy A Northern Soul during lunch and they didn't have it.

And I almost complained that The Verve Pipe do not belong in The Verve section but I think I've done enough complaining about incompetence in this town for one day (don't ask).

MrBrau1 · 08-11-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by joyfulgirl
I went to buy A Northern Soul during lunch and they didn't have it. And I almost complained that The Verve Pipe do not belong in The Verve section but I think I've done enough complaining about incompetence in this town for one day (don't ask).

You're on my ICDE list. I'll include copies of their 1st (A Storm In Heaven) and 2nd (A Northern Soul) when I send the mix.

You just have to promise to buy the actual albums if ya like them.

joyfulgirl · 08-11-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by MrBrau1

You're on my ICDE list. I'll include copies of their 1st (A Storm In Heaven) and 2nd (A Northern Soul) when I send the mix.

You just have to promise to buy the actual albums if ya like them.

I always buy the albums, as HeartlandGirl and meggie can attest.

typhoon · 08-11-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Needle_Chill
It still doesn't make what Jagger and Richards did right. What the hell would they do that for? They basically spit in the face of music by selling such an amazing piece to Nike.

And then they got in trouble for "Anybody Seen My Baby?" the next year, for ripping off, of all people, k.d. lang. They couldn't even write that shitty song themselves. Instant karma.

I remember watching some dopey thing on VH1 that had Keith Richards himself complaining about the Verve "ripping him off." So don't try to blame his record company for it. He's a dick too.

The annoying thing is that rock and roll is so inherently derivative. The Stones in particular ripped off a huge amount of people, and God bless 'em for it, but what a bunch of hypocrites to go after another band for it.

And it's a string part they didn't even really write, it's just based on a song of theirs. So this couldn't be about anything other than money or spite.

From the Wikipedia's page on Noel Gallagher: "When it was suggested that Oasis take legal action against pop band Hear'Say for their first single's uncanny similarity to All Around The World, Noel simply laughed at the hypocrisy of such an act." Even Noel Gallagher isn't that big of an asshole.

The band was dumb to use the sample without permission, but Jagger/Richards are still douches.

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{paintedroses} New Yorker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,064 Local Time: 12:26 PM	Yay the Verve, they are so good and so easily overlooked by some people. I only own Urban Hymns but am looking to invest in others soon. Richard Ashcroft is amazing.. has sweet sweet flashback of Richard Ashcroft singing Bittersweet Symphony with Coldplay at Live 8 __________________

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08-10-2005, 05:42 PM	#23
u2popmofo Blue Meth Addict Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utah Posts: 37,188 Local Time: 07:26 AM	So I've heard their first album/albums (maybe their later do too, I dont know) have some shoegaze in them. Is this true??? I sure do like that shoegaze.

08-10-2005, 05:58 PM	#24
joyfulgirl Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 16,652 Local Time: 06:26 AM	shoegaze No shoegaze on Urban Hymns but definitely a couple of ecstasy-inspired trippy spacey stuff mixed in with catchy pop classics.

08-10-2005, 07:18 PM	#26
ladywithspinninghead Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,635 Local Time: 08:26 AM	Yep, one of the most underrated bands. Urban Hymns is one of my favourite albums of all time but make sure you check out History - if you like UH, you''ll love the song History!

08-10-2005, 09:16 PM	#27
Sleep Over Jack Refugee Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,089 Local Time: 12:26 PM	The 2nd album is better than Urban Hymns, really densely layered and inspiring, not to mention better songwriting overall, in my opinion.

08-11-2005, 03:25 AM	#29
lazarus Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 40,780 Local Time: 04:26 AM	thanks cmb for posting that history of the band. As if I didn't despise Mick Jagger enough already. It's really disgusting that him and Richards got full royalties when the loop was only one bit of a brilliantly produced track. The idea that they sold it to Nike enrages me. Luckily I'm able to listen to old Stones records without any side-effects, but god those guys are capitalist douchebags.

08-11-2005, 07:45 AM	#32
gav6519 War Child Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 534 Local Time: 01:26 PM	the verve were brilliant!! i was lucky enough to see their last ever concert at slane, and it will go down as one of my finest concert memorys!!

08-11-2005, 08:27 AM	#34
bsp77 Refugee Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,956 Local Time: 06:26 AM	I don't think Keith and Mick had much control over the situation. They are now affiliated with Virgin (have been for almost 35 years) but ABKCO has the rights to the song The Verve supposedly stole from. ABKCO went after The Verve and The Rolling Stones hardly even talk to ABKCO.

08-11-2005, 12:46 PM	#35
joyfulgirl Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 16,652 Local Time: 06:26 AM	I went to buy A Northern Soul during lunch and they didn't have it. And I almost complained that The Verve Pipe do not belong in The Verve section but I think I've done enough complaining about incompetence in this town for one day (don't ask).