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Old 06-01-2005, 04:31 AM   #81
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i think , they did , yoda did , mace did and he tried to do something , but it happened so quickly and those clone troopers were quite good ,
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Yea it happened too fast, like in Sith there are scenes of individual Jedis being turned on by their clone troopers and murdered. Alone they didn't stand a chance. They show that beehive head guy and the green girl getting it bad. Obi Wan's turned on him too but he managed to escape as he always does.

I have a question, if there can only be 2 sith lords, why do both Vader and the emperor want to convert Luke so bad? Don't they know that if they succeed one of them would have to die? And if they did know this why were they in it together, knowing there could not be 3???
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I havent read this whole thing and maybe you guys have talked about it, but I didnt understand how the Jedi's didnt sence when they called for " 66" and they started killing all the Jedi's.
There may be a difficulty in sensing clones because they are clones. From bits and pieces I've read, the clones all appear the same in terms of the Force. Thus, a Jedi would sense a mass of "white noise" with so many "copies" of the same person.

Also, it seems that Order 66 was hard wired into the Clones, so they would respond quickly once they heard the order.
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I have a question, if there can only be 2 sith lords, why do both Vader and the emperor want to convert Luke so bad? Don't they know that if they succeed one of them would have to die? And if they did know this why were they in it together, knowing there could not be 3???
Vader was looking to make Luke his apprentice the whole time.

If you remember correctly, when the Emperor isn't around, Vader tells Luke that he wants to rule the Galaxy as father and son together. I take this to mean that the Emperor would be killed by Vader and Luke together once Luke was properly trained in the Dark Side.
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Vader was looking to make Luke his apprentice the whole time.

If you remember correctly, when the Emperor isn't around, Vader tells Luke that he wants to rule the Galaxy as father and son together. I take this to mean that the Emperor would be killed by Vader and Luke together once Luke was properly trained in the Dark Side.
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Vader was looking to make Luke his apprentice the whole time.

If you remember correctly, when the Emperor isn't around, Vader tells Luke that he wants to rule the Galaxy as father and son together. I take this to mean that the Emperor would be killed by Vader and Luke together once Luke was properly trained in the Dark Side.
But Sidious was just as willing to have Luke kill Vader and take Luke as his new apprentice. Notice how Sidious enjoys their battle to the end - but is frustrated when Luke won't finish Vader off.
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Have we ever thought about the prophecy in this sense: Vader brought balance to the force by fathering luke. Luke fought Vader and brought out the good in him and vader returned to anakin and killed the emperor. He fathered luke who was the one who truly changed everything and in future books brought back the jedi knights to the new republic. In a sense they both brought balance to the force. Maybe the misinterpretation was that bringing balance to the force meant giving life to the one who would truly do so. i dunno, jsut rambling...
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here's what is a concern to me...why wasn't the word "sith" ever used in the original movies? i mean now everyone uses it like it's been there all along...but it hasn't
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So Vader and the emperor were both hoping to use Luke against the other? Maybe that's why Vader told Luke he was his dad, to get the better chance at it! But if this was true, why did the two sith lords not sense the betrayal in the other, and fight it out themselves?
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here's what is a concern to me...why wasn't the word "sith" ever used in the original movies? i mean now everyone uses it like it's been there all along...but it hasn't
While I can't recall anyone saying the word "sith" in the original trilogy off the top of my head, it is in the script when describing a scene, and also mentioned in the books. It has always been around.
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Did anyone really notice that the Observation Room Palpatine was held captive in at the beginning of the film looks a hell of a lot like the 2nd Death Star Observation Room/Emperor's lair?

That caught my eye when they entered, especially the chair and window
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Did anyone really notice that the Observation Room Palpatine was held captive in at the beginning of the film looks a hell of a lot like the 2nd Death Star Observation Room/Emperor's lair?

That caught my eye when they entered, especially the chair and window
One of many visual connections to the Original Trilogy.
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Can someone please answer this for me? What parts of Darth Vader's body are mechanical? Is it just his limbs and breathing? No organs or anything else that makes him more machine now than man?
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Can someone please answer this for me? What parts of Darth Vader's body are mechanical? Is it just his limbs and breathing? No organs or anything else that makes him more machine now than man?
We can clearly tell that he has mechanical limbs (both arms and both legs). By sound, you can tell Vader has a device to assist breathing. And when the mask was placed on his face, it looks like the visor assists in vision.
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And when the mask was placed on his face, it looks like the visor assists in vision.
This is something I was wondering about. If he wasn't blind, why would they give him mechanical vision? You could see his eyes were not damaged, (though you'd think after that burning he got, his eyes would surely have been put out) and he was clearly seeing the mask coming over his face. Also, at the end of Jedi, he takes off the mask so he can see Luke with his own eyes, which was his last request. You can see his eyes, and they're okay. So why, if there's nothing wrong with his eyes, would he need any assistance, and why would they wire him for it?
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Didnt read this entire thread and I wasnt going to get caught up in the discussion. But as a SW fan and after watching it several times now and pausing a reviewing a few scenes I cant help it!!

Dont know if it was mentioned, but did anyone else see the M. Falcon landing just underneath the Chancellor's shuttle as he returns to the Senate?

Regarding why Sith is not used in the original trilogy movies. There really isnt a need to differentiate at that point. The Jedi are gone and the Sith rule the galaxy. Also, the fact that the Emperor isnt in Ep IV and barely in Ep V would also be a factor in it not being mentioned at all.

I mentioned this in one of the other threads. My only disappointment in Ep III is that Lucas didnt explain why Tarkin has so much power and influence. We barely even see him in Ep III. Would have been a good thing for Lucas to explain why he has so much power and influence over Vader in Ep IV. But that is being nit picky really. I guess at least he is in Ep III.
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yeah, after seeing all these movies it seems obvious that the whole 6 episodes are about Anakin and the sruggle between good and evil taking place within one man. Innocence, corruption and redemption. Luke's role in the last three are to guide his father back to the light and help him complete the task he was chosen to do years ago.

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in the comics that chronicle what happens after ep6 Luke apparently goes to the dark side.
He meets a sith so strong that he is tempted to dabble. I don't think he actually turns evil, though
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i heard that palpatine actually developed clones for his own soul and he kept moving to a new clone to remain eternal...luke tries to thwart palpatine's evil plans by becoming his apprentice...but i guess the dark side is so powerful that he becomes consumed...leia helps save him though.............i only read this on a website....there's lots of stupid shit that lucas has allowed to be written about his series
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The Palpatine clone story is from the post-ROTJ books.
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"YODA REVEALED"
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After 25 years, he's ready to speak out.

"I was the real Yoda," Grover revealed on Saturday.

In a move that stunned some and surprised few, Grover the muppet exposed an open secret in Hollywood.

In the fall of 1979, he said, "I received a call from George Lucas. 'Hey, Grover,' he said, 'I'm thinking up this new character for the Star Wars sequel and I think you'd be terrific!'"

"He said I had almost the perfect voice for the part," Grover explained, "Plus, I was a puppet."

So why keep it secret?

"Look," said Grover, "the contract I signed with Children's Television Workshop made it very clear - 'No outside parts.' Nada. Something about 'maintaining the illusion' that we all really live on Sesame Street. I mean, that contract was worse than that one the kids over at American Idol have to sign. CTW's lawyers make 19 Entertainment's look like amateurs."

According to Grover, there were severe consequences for publicly going against the company.

"Blackballing, pure and simple," Grover revealed, "I mean, look what happened to Harry Monster. He went out for a commercial to play a mop - A MOP! for God's sake - and how often is he seen on Sesame Street today? Did you know Rawlph the Dog tried out for a Benji movie - was he in Muppets in Space, huh?"

What pushed Grover to buck the system? Frustration and anger at a part that got away.

"I was supposed to be the lead in Superman: The Movie. I was this close to signing a deal with Donner and everything. It would have been great," Grover sighed wistfully, "I mean, think about it, Supergrover as Superman - You will believe a muppet can fly! It would have been fantastic! But I got scared, scared about being blacklisted and never working again."

However, when George Lucas called, " I couldn't stand it anymore. I'm an actor, dammitt! I wanted to stretch myself (artistically, not physically). So I explained the situation to George. He was wonderful. 'Look,' he said, 'you'll be under so much make-up no one will know it's you. I want you for this part!' I couldn't resist!"

So why come forward now?

"Two reasons. First, beginning in the 90's, my Q rating on Sesame Street started dropping. It was always "Elmo this" and "Elmo that". Don't get me wrong, I love the kid. Changing tastes, ya know? And I'm not bitter - the pressure was off."

"Secondly, I took a long, hard look at W. Mark Felt's decision to come forward as Deep Throat. His family said that he deserved that recognition before he died. And ya know what, I do too. With this last sequel I feel like a chapter was coming to a closing in my life and I wanted to personally close the book."

What about those who insist Yoda was really played by someone known as "Frank OZ"?

"Yeah right," Grover laughed, "and Chewbacca was really played by a freakishly tall hospital orderly. Come on!"

Finally, asked if he has any regrets, Grover smiled.

"Nah, no regrets. I had the fame. I got to work with some of the best - Lucas, Christopher Lee, Kermit. I'm still at the top of my game on Street."

"And," he winked, "Lucas has been very generous with residuals and merchandising. I'm set for life."
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