Varitek
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Axver said:
Roman then?
The Sad Punk said:
I have a rather small interest in the Romans, actually. They are all too often considered the beginning of technology and innovation, when they stole basically everything from other people. It boggles the mind that there are people that still believe the Romans invented aqueducts, sewers, roads and coins. Even the Celts had roads and coins before the Romans. On the whole, the Romans were a very barbaric, strange people and their two thousand year old propaganda still lives on. If anything, they were the beginning of the Dark Ages, not the Enlightenment of ancient times as most think.
So no, I don't look at Roman porn.
Alisaura said:I am finally admitting defeat and going to bed.
I'm gonna be representing Zombies for RSPCA tomorrow... er, later this morning.
Axver said:
This completely doesn't surprise me. It seems that just about everybody I've ever met who's fascinated by ancient Greece has a dislike of the Romans to some degree - often quite a passionate dislike.
Personally, the extent of my interest in the Romans extends to the Caesar III and IV computer games, and my fondness for using Roman numerals.
The Sad Punk said:
Yeah, that seems to be the general consensus. It's kind of a 'fanboy' (or girl) thing, though I'm in need of a better word there. If someone had such an open dislike for an entire peoples today as they do for certain ancient civilisations, they'd deserve to be in trouble. And it's quite silly obviously, because people differed from person to person, but it's the whole culture of the Romans that I find difficult to identify with and find especially interesting. And it's also that their history is covered up with so many lies that it just seems like too much a waste of time. That's why I prefer reading about the people they conquered and fought instead.
Sure, a lot is said about the Greeks as well, possibly more than the Romans. But they differed from city to city. They were almost like tribes, and I think it's really interesting reading about these people with different cultures below one greater one - they shared religion, language and ethnicity, but they were still unique. And wonderfully flawed - and unlike the Romans, they seemed to know it.
The Sad Punk said:If someone had such an open dislike for an entire peoples today as they do for certain ancient civilisations, they'd deserve to be in trouble.
Axver said:
Also, this made me laugh.
It's true though. And even I would be guilty of it, since I have a tendency to describe all of ancient Egypt as a bit of a cliched snooze. I must be the only person who doesn't give a shit if I don't see the Pyramids of Giza. I'd love to see the ones built in pre-Columbian America, though.
Modern history is much more my thing. I'll leave ancient history to the people who are talented enough to do it! It looks too bloody hard!
The Sad Punk said:Oh no, I completely agree with you. I find ancient Egypt very, very boring. Actually, it sucks that people concentrate more on them than civilisations before them like the Sumerians, but I don't feel like talking about that much at the moment. Pre-Columbian American history is far more fascinating to me. I want an excuse or chance to go visit my aunt in Chile, chiefly so I can go on tours looking at ruins and museums.
From a political point of view, the Romans are very interesting - but so are the Carthaginians, the Athenians, the Lakedaimonians/Spartans and a lot of other people. Carthaginian politics in particular is something I would like to read more about. It seems pretty complex and interesting.
I feel this way about modern history, though - it's funny, isn't it?
Axver said:
I've always had a fascination with pre-Egyptian and pre-Columbian civilisations; I've just never explored them. The Maya in particular sound intriguing, and as for the civilisations that in turn preceded them, I know next-to-nothing and that just makes me more curious. But there's only so much time in the day, you know?
(Incidentally, although I think the Inca civilisation seems sort of cool, their considerable prominence makes me occasionally view them in an Egypt-like sense, though not as far as the "cliched snoozed" extent.)
Ah, Carthage. Thank you, Romans, for doing everything you could to obliterate it and make the job of historians harder. But I think the Romans politically did so much more than anybody else, in that they managed to not just have a huge fucking empire, but for a time made it thrive. And if their leadership hadn't been so delusional, going to stupid, self-important, insane emperors, they could have kept it thriving for much, much longer.
See, I think modern history is comparatively piss-easy! We have most of the records - or if they are missing/destroyed, it's recent enough that tracking down something of informative value isn't too hard. Hell, the early 20th century is still in living memory, and the late 19th century (my speciality) is for some people still a collection of stories their parents or grandparents told.
I do think some of it is my vision, in that I don't know how anybody can see well enough to get much information out of archaelogical digs, pottery, and the like. You know that Time Team show on ABC? I'm amazed watching that, when they go through the soil and somehow manage to pick out indicators that a road ran through there or a kiln once existed on that spot, or that some shards are actually pottery fragments.
LemonMacPhisto said:Wait, so you guys have separate Junior and Senior Proms? That's pretty cool.
It seemed like they were bringing the show back to a Season 2 dynamic, but putting Michael/Holly in the Pam/Jim spot - pretty great stuff.
Alisaura said:
*waits for GG to reappear*.....
Varitek said:We had separate ones too. Go get your picture taken with your friends! In a few years you won't care that you didn't have a date, only that you're in the guys' pic with your friends.