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Old 06-23-2005, 03:29 PM   #41
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Its an argument that goes round and round...i think bands should try everything...i think Bono also said that its a lot harder to write a joyful song than one which is miserable*shrugs*...really if you think about Radiohead are just sticking to what they do best in their own eyes, therefore if they wanted a challenge would it not be to write something that was joyful, even close to Mysterious Ways funky and danceable? and maybe commercial?...just an idea....
That's an interesting point. U2 really reinvigorated their career in the '90's by consciously and purposely playing to their weaknesses. Radiohead has yet to take on that kind of artistic challenge. This really speaks to where they are at the moment with their art. Even diehards will admit the last few albums have been a step down for the band. To find something they've never done and attempt to become great at it could be an artistic elixir for Radiohead, but do they have the balls to risk alienating their devoted fanbase, like U2 did. In other words, does Radiohead have an ingenious curveball like AB in them. That remains to be seen.
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That's an interesting point. U2 really reinvigorated their career in the '90's by consciously and purposely playing to their weaknesses. Radiohead has yet to take on that kind of artistic challenge. This really speaks to where they are at the moment with their art. Even diehards will admit the last few albums have been a step down for the band. To find something they've never done and attempt to become great at it could be an artistic elixir for Radiohead, but do they have the balls to risk alienating their devoted fanbase, like U2 did. In other words, does Radiohead have an ingenious curveball like AB in them. That remains to be seen.
I dont know, but I'd say most people outside of the U2 fanatic world think that 'Kid A' was far more of a step in a completely different direction than 'Achtung Baby' was (and far more of a risky step at that).

It's all just a general interpretation. There are a massive amount of people out there also who prefer all of Radiohead's recent material to their early material (I'm in this group). Anyways, just trying to say that there's not exactly any kind of absolute in this, and that it's not very true that, "even die hards will admit the last few albums have been a step down". I dont feel this at all about Radiohead (but I do about U2's most recent album). Personal tastes and opinions, everyone thinks of it all differently.
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Old 06-23-2005, 03:50 PM   #43
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I think the U2 of the 90s was an experiment to see how extreme they can take a more mainstream audience, and now its how far they can take a more cerebal audience into the realm of pop (i think i mean they tried to make cerebal music more accessible and pop music accessible to the cerebal) If that makes sense to anyone....

Radiohead are just delving deep into one extreme in my opinion, as Layton said there has to be another side to them...i like them but not greatly and will not pass judgement on the little i know of them...which is something that happens often enough with U2
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while i agree entirely with what popmofo has said, this is still a really interesting thread layton.

nice work.

even if i don't agree with much of what you said.
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As some around here know, I've been reading a biography of Manic Street Preachers. And just today, I read an interview that the band gave where the reporter criticized them for not being 'real' enough, for not having songs that their listeners could relate to, songs to connect the band with their listeners. And to paraphrase the members of the band, they basically said, it's time to move beyond the boyfriend/girlfriend love songs. They want their songs to be cerebral and talk about politics, race, class, governments, literature, art, film, etc. They don't care if their songs are sexy or danceable--what they care about is that their songs say something IMPORTANT.

So with that in mind, I have to agree with those who are saying that it is NOT a weakness of Radiohead that they don't make any dance hits or baby-making music. There's more to life than sex, sexuality, and personal relationships. Hurray to those bands who are out there to say something different.
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I'm not the hugest Radiohead fan but I think they're very good at what they do. There's a certain "sexlessness" to their music, true, but IMO it's just a matter of style rather than a weakness. And, with very few exceptions, I find U2 music rather sexless as well; even when they try and aim for hip-shaking effect it's only hip-shaking compared to the rest of their music. As for "trying everything", IMO bands can be like actors in that even the greatest of them ultimately have limitations to their range and can look completely wrong and miscast in certain roles. Thom Yorke as a smooth Love God makes as much sense as Tom Hanks playing James Bond.
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Thom Yorke as a smooth Love God makes as much sense as Tom Hanks playing James Bond.


There are enough bands out there that put out "booty shakin' " music. Sex isn't the bottom line for all bands and it isn't the bottom line for a lot of fans.

Radiohead doesn't need to change a thing.
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Old 06-24-2005, 09:03 AM   #48
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they just need more cowbell.
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they just need more cowbell.
A weakness has been found. End of discussion.


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and here i always thought radiohead's biggest weakness was their music... silly me
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and here i always thought radiohead's biggest weakness was their music... silly me
Go back and think up of something actually funny to say.
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Go back and think up of something actually funny to say.

a man brought his wife to see the doctor. the doctor checked her out, and told the husband "i have some bad news... your wife is very sick. she either has alzheimer's or aids."

"alzheimer's or aids?," says the man, "how do i know which one it is?"

"well," says the doctor, "drop her off 10 miles from your house. if she comes back, don't fuck her."
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Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha.

You have succeeded.
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Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha.

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the man is driving and is very drunk, swerving and weaving all over the road at a very fast speed.
finally, the police pull him over. the officer says: "sir, do you know that your wife fell out of your car about a mile back?"
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so the judge says "let me get this straight... you want to divorce your wife because she's mentaly imbalanced?"

"no," says mickey... "she's fucking goofy"
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Great Radiohead thread!
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Old 06-25-2005, 03:35 PM   #58
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I agree that Radiohead does have a problem (in my mind). Alot of people don't mind, but I do. The range of emotion in their songs is very limited to me. They have very few songs that communicate emotions other than confusion and gloom.

We'll take U2 as an example (because we're all familiar with U2) of the opposite. They have songs that are expressive of every emotion.

One expresses desperation
One Step Closer expresses depression
Love and Peace or Else expresses coolness
If You Wear that Velvet Dress expresses sexyness
Zooropa expresses confusion
Elevation expresses fun
Beautiful Day expresses joy

I could go on and on. Not only are the subjects of these songs different but the FEELING of the songs are different. Radiohead are masters at what they do but their songs span such a tiny range of emotions I just couldn't view them as being a truly great band. I wouldn't call one of their songs fun or joyful. Maybe Nice Dream is a happy song, but it's still very suppressed. Sure, their songs have different subjects and such, but they all communicate one feeling: gloom.
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an old irish couple are driving home from a night out at the pub.
the man is driving and is very drunk, swerving and weaving all over the road at a very fast speed.
finally, the police pull him over. the officer says: "sir, do you know that your wife fell out of your car about a mile back?"
the man replies: "oh, thank God. for a minute there I thought I had gone deaf."
A drunken Paddy joke. But I don't mind cos it's quite funny.
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Radiohead are masters at what they do but their songs span such a tiny range of emotions I just couldn't view them as being a truly great band. I wouldn't call one of their songs fun or joyful. Maybe Nice Dream is a happy song, but it's still very suppressed. Sure, their songs have different subjects and such, but they all communicate one feeling: gloom.
Radiohead span the entire range of emotions from deeply gloomy to mildy pessimistic!

I take your point but I find the Bends (the album) strangely uplifting. OK Computer is a bit unrelenting admittedly.
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