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Mrs. Vedder said:
What does Scorsese have to do to get an Oscar? Poor guy. I guess Clint is getting old... they felt sorry for him? heee :p
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He needs to stop making meandering 3 hour movies in desperate need of editing.

Clint gets it.
 
anitram said:


He needs to stop making meandering 3 hour movies in desperate need of editing.

Clint gets it.
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yea... taxi driver, new york new york, raging bull, color of money, the last temptation of christ, goodfellas, cape fear, casino, gangs of new york, aviator... meandering pieces of shit... all of 'em.

:rolleyes:
 
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Headache in a Suitcase said:


yea... taxi driver, new york new york, raging bull, color of money, the last temptation of christ, goodfellas, cape fear, gangs of new york, aviator... meandering pieces of shit... all of 'em.

:rolleyes:
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I don't think that's what they were getting at. Although it isn't unpopular or rare opinion to say that Gangs of New York and The Aviator did need some editing and did feel overly long, etc.
 
Oh, please, no need for histrionics.

I think he was ripped off and should have won for Raging Bull. Goodfellas is a toss up - I say, yes, but I understand why people preferred Costner's film.

The Age of Innocence, Casino, Gangs of New York and Aviator are ALL too long, all in need of some serious editing wrt storytelling. They meander in the middle and just lose the momentum built up.

Scorsese's problem isn't that his movies are pieces of shit as you so eloquently put, it's that his RECENT films are all considerably worse than his older works, and in a terribly obvious way, and that they all generally share the same problems despite having a great cast.
 
Great, Martin Scorsese gets screwed over by yet ANOTHER overrated actor-director. Ok, so people may not think his later films are as great, but I'm just annoyed that it lost to such an average film. If it lost to Schindler's List, you wouldn't see me complain, but M$B...

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anitram said:
Oh, please, no need for histrionics.

I think he was ripped off and should have won for Raging Bull. Goodfellas is a toss up - I say, yes, but I understand why people preferred Costner's film.

The Age of Innocence, Casino, Gangs of New York and Aviator are ALL too long, all in need of some serious editing wrt storytelling. They meander in the middle and just lose the momentum built up.

Scorsese's problem isn't that his movies are pieces of shit as you so eloquently put, it's that his RECENT films are all considerably worse than his older works, and in a terribly obvious way, and that they all generally share the same problems despite having a great cast.
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thank you ebert. i guess we'll just have to disagree.

and my apologies for not being "eloquent" enough... just not my style.

how ironic that the aviator, in desperate need of editing as you eloquently put it, won the oscar for excellence in editing.
 
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anitram said:
Oh, please, no need for histrionics.

I think he was ripped off and should have won for Raging Bull. Goodfellas is a toss up - I say, yes, but I understand why people preferred Costner's film.

The Age of Innocence, Casino, Gangs of New York and Aviator are ALL too long, all in need of some serious editing wrt storytelling. They meander in the middle and just lose the momentum built up.

Scorsese's problem isn't that his movies are pieces of shit as you so eloquently put, it's that his RECENT films are all considerably worse than his older works, and in a terribly obvious way, and that they all generally share the same problems despite having a great cast.
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Of course, the Academy missed the boat by not awarding him a statue earlier. But all awards follow a tradition of handing out awards like best picture/actor/director as rewards for the person, regardless of whether they've passed their peak or not. Just think of Eric Clapton's sympathy Grammys in 1992 at U2's expense. Or John Wayne, Henry Fonda, Fred Astaire, even Paul Newman in Scorsese's Colour Of Money - they all won with films and performances that weren't a patch on earlier work, but were rewarded for sentimental reasons.

Unfortunately for Scorsese there's a deep-seated reservation about him in the Hollywood establishment because his films haven't made enough money - even the Aviator hasn't turned a US profit despite being (I believe) his highest grossing film. So these days he is still marked harshly even as guys like Eastwood are collecting Oscars with ease. The American film industry respects Scorsese, hence the nominatons, but he's still not quite loved. On the other hand Eastwood IS loved, and ironically with Baby hes won with a story that feeds on the sort of Catholicism Scorsese's early stuff was full of!
 
brettig said:
Unfortunately for Scorsese there's a deep-seated reservation about him in the Hollywood establishment because his films haven't made enough money - even the Aviator hasn't turned a US profit despite being (I believe) his highest grossing film. So these days he is still marked harshly even as guys like Eastwood are collecting Oscars with ease. The American film industry respects Scorsese, hence the nominatons, but he's still not quite loved.
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One of the articles I've read suggested that the reason Scorsese is not loved is simply because his films aren't, well, loveable. Even when they're sentimental, they're not heart-warming or life-affirming - and Academy LOVES heart-warming.
 
the ceremony sucked a lot
the winners sucked a lot (except for Kaufman and Eternal Sunshine, of course, that's obvious)
 
Every year I swear I won't sit through the entire show, but I broke my vow yet again. I know it was only 3 1/2 hours, which is must shorter than years past, but nothing memorable happened. The acceptance speeches were boring (maybe Kaufman's was witty), and the predictions were correct across the board.

Scorcese will never win for a directing project; he'll get the lifetime achievement award, like Lumet.

Swank is overrated, but very good.

Freeman finally got his due, so I'll overlook the fact that his part in Million Dollar Baby was forgettable.

Chris Rock didn't carry his momentum past the opening monologue, which was the biggest disappointment of the night. I was expecting him to keep everything fresh throughout the slower moments, but he couldn't break free from the Network leash.

Cate Blanchett is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen.

Morgan Freeman is one of the coolest guys I've ever seen.

Johnny Depp is still one of the weirdest pretty boys I've ever seen.

...

I can't believe I watched that whole thing. I feel like I lost a big chunk of my life. Ugh...at least I watched it with my new girlfriend, and we made-out and gave each other full body massages throughout the slow parts...heehhehehehe... (Too much information?)...:)
 
I agree w/ that theory about Scorcese, I think they go for the emotional impact films now. I loved Million Dollar Baby-The Aviator as a technical achievement was so impressive, but it felt empty to me.

I agree about Cate Blanchett, she looks like an ethereal Victorian goddess. Hilary Swank's body is just not human :ohmy: My other faves were Kate Winslet, Charlize Theron, Salma Hayek, Natalie Portman, and Halle Berry.

Maybe Chad Lowe is secure enough that he actually roots for his wife's success and isn't threatened by it :shrug: I'd like to think so
 
I think it is pathetic that Scorsese has never won. Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas... However, Aviator was NOT one of his best movies and awarding him for it would have just been making up for past transgressions. Million Dollar Baby was a much better directed movie.

Besides, as someone else pointed out, Martin Scorsese is now part of an elite group of directors who never won (Welles, Hitchcock, Altman, Kubrick). Not too shabby company.
 
What a crap show this year,,,

I am sick and tired of Johnny Depp leaving the oscars empty handed. He is the only real original actor right now.
 
Got to actually watch the show yesterday evening... felt sorry for all those technical people who were either herded on stage beauty-pageant style or stuck in the aisles with no dignity. Since watching all those LoTR documentaries on Extended Editions I think I've got tons more respect for people behind the screen than the actors.

Aviator is not Scorsese best film, sure, but for my money still the best one of the nominated pictures. My Mum and I agreed that Million Dollar Baby was by far the worst choice for Best Film by the Academy in years; I thought that it was simply average while she said she couldn't stand the way it pushed all tear-squirting buttons humanly possible... but awww isn't Clint Eastwood one classy guy?? I can't possibly boo -him-. Still if Eastwood had to win thank God it wasn't last year.

Morgan Freeman is a fantastic actor but his was the least deserving Best Supporting Actor performance in the bunch and his award essentially a lifetime achievement.

Oh, and Sean Penn is in a desperate need of a sense of humour implant... lighten up!
 
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anitram said:
So, what are everyone's picks for the major categories (you can do minor ones too if you'd like)?

My predictions:

Best Picture - Million Dollar Baby
Best Director - Clint Eastwood
Best Actor - Jamie Foxx
Best Actress - Hillary Swank
Best Supporting Actor - Morgan Freeman
Best Supporting Actress - Cate Blanchett
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Nice call. Did you win the office pool?



Sorry, but I don't buy the M$B hype. It is a well crafted mediocre tear-jerking story. Some story elements were left unfinished and there seemed to be little struggle with the boxer's decision.
 
Don't get started with awards shows.

I am still fuming that ATYCLB didn't win Album of the Year at the Grammys.

How does an album that won grammys for four (not one, two, or three) but FOUR grammys for FOUR different songs and not win Album of the Year???????

And those four songs don't even include Kite, When I Looke at the World, Peace on Earth??

:shrug:
 
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