NFL 2014/2015 - Super Bowl Postmortem

[PhilsFan]

I think that it's one of those things that mattered more when teams relied on the run more and when running was more associated with victory. I'm sure time of possession meant more 20 years ago than it does now. I just think there are many, many metrics in today's NFL that have to do with victory than time of possession. It's not as dumb a stat as a pitcher's win, but it's not much better than that.

 

[LemonMelon]

Most casual fans think TOP means a great deal. It's a stat regularly used on broadcasts. I hear it talked about all the time.

Let's see how the last five Super Bowl champions finished in time of possession.

2014 Patriots - 23rd
2013 Seahawks - 14th
2012 Ravens - 29th
2011 Giants - 23rd
2010 Packers - 7th

Why, it's almost as if there is no correlation between time of possession and success at all!

There are factors at play here besides an emphasis on passing. I'm curious to see what the turnover margin, red zone percentage and average starting field position looked like for these teams.

TOP, in a vacuum, doesn't guarantee success by any means, but a team is usually inordinately good in other areas if they're getting by without it.

 

[mikal]

There are factors at play here besides an emphasis on passing. I'm curious to see what the turnover margin, red zone percentage and average starting field position looked like for these teams.

TOP, in a vacuum, doesn't guarantee success by any means, but a team is usually inordinately good in other areas if they're getting by without it.

Agreed. And TOP can also be a useful tool for teams playing against a high powered offense, particularly a team with a top QB.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

There a distinct difference between not being a top 10 team in time of possession vs having a blatant disregard for it like Chip Kelly does.

But I get all my opinions from watching TV in my sweats with a bag of chips, so I'm probably wrong.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Most casual fans think TOP means a great deal. It's a stat regularly used on broadcasts. I hear it talked about all the time.

Let's see how the last five Super Bowl champions finished in time of possession.

2014 Patriots - 23rd
2013 Seahawks - 14th
2012 Ravens - 29th
2011 Giants - 23rd
2010 Packers - 7th

Why, it's almost as if there is no correlation between time of possession and success at all!

2014
8 of top 10 teams in TOP made the playoffs

8 of bottom 10 teams missed playoffs

2013
8 of top 10 teams in TOP made the playoffs

8 of bottom 10 teams missed the playoffs

2012
9 of top 10 teams in TOP made the playoffs

8 of bottom 10 teams missed the playoffs


Why, it's almost as if there's a pretty big correlation and success rate after all! Golly gee!

 

[PhilsFan]

There a distinct difference between not being a top 10 team in time of possession vs having a blatant disregard for it like Chip Kelly does.

But I get all my opinions from watching TV in my sweats with a bag of chips, so I'm probably wrong.

It's not like they have only 15 minutes of possession per game. It's around 26 minutes.

 

[Bluer White]

2014
8 of top 10 teams in TOP made the playoffs

8 of bottom 10 teams missed playoffs

Nice set of stats there.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Stop staring. Pig.

 

[GirlsAloudFan]

You down with TOP?
Yeah you know me

 

[clerks]

I'd like headache in a suitcase a lot more if he would change his profile picture.

Speaking of that -- I think Mannings should team up. Peyton takes regular season. Eli playoffs. Win/win.

Also, I can't remember, who wont he Super Bowl this year? Was it the Eagles? I know Philadelphia won the Democratic convention in 2016... but I don't think they won the Super Bowl....

TOP in the playoffs was ZERO for The Eagles.

 

[mikal]

Lol


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[bono_212]

Lol doesn't answer who wont he'd the super bowl, Mikal.

 

[mikal]

Bold prediction. The Jacksonville Jaguars will not be in the Super Bowl next year.


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[DaveC]

I'd like headache in a suitcase a lot more if he would change his profile picture.

I'm quite certain that he doesn't much care about your opinion, either of his avatar or himself.

 

[LemonMelon]

In fairness

TOP in the playoffs was ZERO for The Eagles.

This did make me laugh out loud.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

 

[PhilsFan]

TOP in the playoffs was ZERO for The Eagles.

Who fucking cares?

 

[clerks]

You seem to since you posted even more than headache. Philly fans are always the angriest. It's okay.


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[clerks]

I'm quite certain that he doesn't much care about your opinion, either of his avatar or himself.

I'm quite certain headache can defend himself. In fact, he took a pic of baba booey and posted it in retaliation.

Are you his bestie Dave?


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[PhilsFan]

You seem to since you posted even more than headache. Philly fans are always the angriest. It's okay.

What does the team I root for's success level in 2014 have to do with the merits of debating football strategy?

Also, playing the "angry Philly fan" card is adorable. Well done.

 

[clerks]

I wasn't against the debate. I was trying to add humor. And my team won this year so I'm the asshole Boston fan FYI.

I agree most stats are bullshit. Comeback wins? You have to be behind to achieve that stat for instance.

Re: chip kelly. So far he seems exciting , but end result wasn't as good as Reid. I know he lacks a QB. Still, the only stat that matters is wins. Can't argue that.




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[clerks]

For the record angriest fans I've seen in person were Oakland raiders fans. 4 fans were arrested in the bar I was at after jay fielder qb of Miami in 2001 scored a late running td I believe.




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[Headache in a Suitcase]

That's swell. Tell us more of your exploits at bars and such?

 

[Hewson]

Since you two have the same location, you should head out to a bar together and create some esploits.

 

[clerks]

That's swell. Tell us more of your exploits at bars and such?

Yes, since I haven't posted 50,000 times I'm the one with too much time on my hands.


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[DaveC]

Yes, since I haven't posted 50,000 times I'm the one with too much time on my hands.


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I don't think that made as much sense as you meant for it to sensibly be making it, I think.

 

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[clerks]

We can't all be sarcastic. This is crazy. Meet you at big gay ice cream to hash it out. I'll look for the guy wearing a manning face shirt.


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[mikal]

We can't all be sarcastic. This is crazy. Meet you at big gay ice cream to hash it out. I'll look for the guy wearing a manning face shirt.


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That's quite the coincidence. I'm about to dive into a big bowl of ice cream. Gay ice cream!


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