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Old 11-18-2003, 05:36 PM   #21
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I'd say most of her audience must be around the 7-13 age group. I'm old fashioned I guess, but I don't think kids that age should be thinking about that stuff quite yet. If they should be taught that this is preferable to having sex at that age (which I definitely think it is), then I think it should be by their parents, not Britney.
This is my beef with it
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Her intentions don't matter. Intentions don't warrant warning stickers.

Girls 7-13, some won't even understand what she's saying, others may. Masterbation is something I think everyone has done in their life and isn't something that should be treated taboo or something to be swept under the rug. My personal opinion, the song sucks, but good for her, for trying to tackle a subject that kids are being taught to be ashamed of ever since they were kids. This society teaches us that this is a dirty act or even a sin way before we even hit the age of exploration.

Sorry I hang out too much at FYM. Didn't mean to start a debate.
I totally agree with you.

You're exactly right-parents make this topic a shameful one to discuss, so how can kids learn about masturbation from their parents when their parents aren't willing to even discuss it?

They're going to find out about masturbation eventually, might as well be open with them about it now.

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so should she not try to "grow" as a musician because a lot of 7-13 year old girls like her music? crap who cares... i grew up on billy joel, being from long island... i knew of the song "just a fantasy" when i was 8-9 years old... didn't know exactly what it meant... but hey, does that mean he shouldn't have written it? green day's dookie came out around '93... when i was 13... longview was a single off that album... blatently about wankin' it. a lot of middle school aged kids loved green day when they first came out... so does that mean they shouldn't get to perform a song about whatever they please? britney may have a big fan base of 9-13 year olds, but that doesn't mean she has to go up and sing about big bird and my little pony. if she wants to touch herself and sing about? more power to her
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In an ideal world, kids would learn about sex and masturbation from their parents...but this is not an ideal world and kids learn an awful lot from friends and from music and movies. I would much rather have them hear a song about masturbation than "hit me baby one more time."

Girls in middle school are already giving oral sex...this isn't exactly a shocking topic to them.
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Agreeing wholeheartedly with Headache and BAW. .

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In her defense, she's hot
That's my only defense what else you want me to say? That her music is good?
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So "growing as a musician" means writing songs about touching yourself? In my opinion-no

If she really wanted to grow as a musician , she would change her tired act, not rely on her outfits and sexiness, and SING live rather than lip synching. I have never seen her ONCE do that, and I have read that she lip synchs even in concert.

Yes, I'm well aware that this is not an ideal world and that kids are engaging in sex, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. And I don't think parents should abdicate their responsibility and just accept it.
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I also agree with Headache and BAW. Britney is a grown woman and should be allowed to make whatever 'music' she wants to. If you don't like it, don't listen. If you don't want your kids listening to it, then you've got to do what you can as a parent to keep them from listening to it.
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I also agree with Headache and BAW. Britney is a grown woman and should be allowed to make whatever 'music' she wants to. If you don't like it, don't listen. If you don't want your kids listening to it, then you've got to do what you can as a parent to keep them from listening to it.


that's the key... what ever happened to parenting? shit... my mother wouldn't let me listen/watch/play with anything she deemd unacceptable when i was younger. sure, that sparks the imagination and you try to do it anyways... but even if you do sneak around doing something, you at least KNOW it's wrong because your parents have told you so. this whole "it's out there so parents should just accept it and help their children learn from it" thing is a load of malarky. if you don't find it acceptable for your children to watch/view/read etc., do not let them. it's not the artists responsability, it's the parents responsability. blaiming the music, the movie, the video game is just a crutch that bad parents hang on. yeah the stuff is out there, and you're not going to be able to protect your kids from all of it, but you can damn sure try. people should stop trying to censor and start parenting their children.

and on a side note... is there anything in this tender love song about a girl and her fingers more "risque" than the following lyric by a band that's held in pretty high esteem around here...

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and you can swallow, or you can spit. you can throw it up, or choke on it


i think not.
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Well, U2 has never exactly claimed to be role models for children. Really, when has Bono said, "Kids, look up to me. Br like me. Dress up like the devil/dress in drag/sing with a falsetto/throw yourself in front of thousands of screaming fans in order to get validation," etc. Generally, I think we expect rock music to be somewhat more dangerous and explicit than pop music. Besides, coming from a band that had previously addressed such issues as war, terrorism, violence, and political expression, it's really not THAT surprising.

Britney orginally began as an idol of sorts to a lot of young children...therefore, she still carries that social stigma, and will most likely, for quite some while. Kids are going to say, 'oh Britney...mom and dad let me listen to her past two/three albums, why not this one?"

It is NOT so simple as a matter of bad parenting--ther've been actual studies done to prove that kids who watch a certain number of tv hours per day actaully grow up to be more involved in crime at age 30. Is the the parent's fault? Yes, and no. I'm sure there are other factors there, but then again, you can only shelter them so much. Eventually kids are going to go against you. Prohibiting something only makes this worse (come on. Once they prohibited a book in our high school. The next day, everyone had a copy).

That said, if she wants to put this on her album, fine go ahead. But if she tries to release it as a single...well, it just seems like some desperate plea for attention, imo.
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Yes, I'm well aware that this is not an ideal world and that kids are engaging in sex, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. And I don't think parents should abdicate their responsibility and just accept it.

I didn't say anything about accepting it or liking it...parents still have the responsibility to monitor what their kids listen to and watch, however, unless you plan on hiding your child at home for 18 years or sending them outside with blinders and headphones on, they WILL hear and see things you don't want them to.

If an 8 year old girl sees someone like Britney as a role model, its up to her parents to explain that Britney is an adult and the things she sings about and the way she dresses are not appropriate for her age group. Yes, it might make her even more curious and cause her to be even more interested but at least her parents have made a stand on the issue.

The parents who buy innapropriate CD's for their kids are the ones to blame, not the artists. All it takes is one word...NO.
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I also agree with Headache and BAW. Britney is a grown woman and should be allowed to make whatever 'music' she wants to. If you don't like it, don't listen. If you don't want your kids listening to it, then you've got to do what you can as a parent to keep them from listening to it.
Exactly.

Besides, by putting warning labels on these albums, or by having parents make a huge deal out of the album and saying, "You can't listen to this!", all it does is make the kids more curious. Naturally when a child's forbidden to listen to something or watch something, they're going to try and find a way to watch or listen to that thing.

Just be flat out honest with them about it.

Headache and BAW, once again, I agree with you guys.

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There seems to be a sentiment here that children's personalities are the creation of their parents. While parenting plays a huge role in child's development as a person, it can only go so far. You can't blame every negative action of a child on bad parenting. Children have their own personalities as individuals and at the end of the day will express them no matter what the parents do. I'm not saying that parents shouldn't parent at all, but I don't think it's as determinist as "If you raise your kids this way, they'll grow up to be wonderful people."
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Right on HeartlandGirl, BAW and Headache. Britney should write about whatever she wants to; the parts that kids don't get they'll somehow make it fit into something they do understand. I don't see anything shocking about Britney...she's pretty white bread if you ask me but maybe I'm just old and jaded.

How many here learned about masturbation from their parents? C'mon, let's see a show of hands. I learned about it when I was 9 reading a trashy Janis Joplin biography. I was in no way damaged by the information itself nor its source, nor did I become prematurely masturbatory or a sex maniac or sexually dysfunctional. I just tucked the information away until I was ready, which was an appropriate age.

I was raised in the 60s by extremely conservative parents. But they never ever censored the music my sisters and I listened to. As an adult I wrote my mother thanking her for not censoring our music. It meant the world to me. I would study the lyric sheets and listen and I didn't understand a lot but it stretched me, helped me to think for myself, made me more aware.
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There seems to be a sentiment here that children's personalities are the creation of their parents. While parenting plays a huge role in child's development as a person, it can only go so far. You can't blame every negative action of a child on bad parenting. Children have their own personalities as individuals and at the end of the day will express them no matter what the parents do. I'm not saying that parents shouldn't parent at all, but I don't think it's as determinist as "If you raise your kids this way, they'll grow up to be wonderful people."
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Britney Spears...the only way she can create interest in her or controversy is to sing about something sexual or act sexual. What happens 15-20 years from now? Once she loses that body she will have no talent to fall back on.
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As a mother of a 15 and 10 year old daughter, I just wanted to include that neither one of them or their friends can stand Britney. I don't think they have ever liked her, in fact they make fun of her.

So I have always wondered, who buys Britney's cds?
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I'm not sure who is buying her CDs, but I did see this graphic while channel surfing the other night:

First Album - sold 13 million copies
Second Album - sold 9 million copies
Third Album - sold 4 million copies

Those figures say so much in so few words, I think.
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