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Old 06-14-2005, 03:20 AM   #141
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Enlighten me. I'm sure I read something before but it didn't seem all that bad...
Hasn't she been trying to get more cash out of them, for unpaid royalties or something?

DaveC to confirm please!
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They would NEVER work with Clare Torry again after what she did.
yeah what happened?
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Hasn't she been trying to get more cash out of them, for unpaid royalties or something?

DaveC to confirm please!
I'll confirm.

She sued them last year for unpaid royalties and damages, claiming that she in fact wrote The Great Gig In The Sky.

And she won, believe it or not. She ended up getting a half-share on copyright ownership of the song.

So no, she won't be there. But then again, with the money she's getting now, she probably doesn't care.
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what the hell?! So IMPROVISING over a song ALREADY WRITTEN by Rick Wright counts for writing these days?!

Yes, the singing MAKES the tune but given the fact that the tune was already recorded and just waiting for some vocals I wouldn't have thought she deserves Half of it!!
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I wouldn't have thought she deserves Half of it!!
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Hasn't she been trying to get more cash out of them, for unpaid royalties or something?

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Er... well, she DID get paid the princely sum of £30 for her contribution originally, which is ridiculous. I love Floyd but she had a damn good point.

Half was extreme, but she deserved a hell of a lot more than she got.

Christ on a BIKE.
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Er... well, she DID get paid the princely sum of £30 for her contribution originally, which is ridiculous. I love Floyd but she had a damn good point.
That she did. I'm surprised it couldn't have been worked out between them. Especially with Gilmour, since on the last two albums he tended to be very generous and give credit where credit was due.

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Will PF have enough time to rehearse before the gig? I guess it's not really important whether they actually play live or not. It's all about attracting attention and raising money. Good for them.
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they gonna play 4 songs
Nick Mason hopes , it will be something slow tempo
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Waters = a megalomaniac arsehole. Don't get me wrong - I'm not denying the brilliance of his lyrics and the scope of his ideas - I think the man is incredibly creative. His father's early death was obviously hideously traumatic for him. Still, that doesn't excuse the appalling way he treated those around him. What did Nick Mason say about Waters in the 70s? "He made Stalin look like an old muddlehead."

Contrary to your opinion, Roger is a very friendly person. He might not have treated everyone well back in the 70s, but people change, you know.

After Rog had left the band, the Floyd lost all of their lyrical significance. Instead, they concentrated on staging bombastic concerts, having steaks (Dave) and driving racecars (Nick).
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what the hell?! So IMPROVISING over a song ALREADY WRITTEN by Rick Wright counts for writing these days?!

Yes, the singing MAKES the tune but given the fact that the tune was already recorded and just waiting for some vocals I wouldn't have thought she deserves Half of it!!
Good question. If the improvising changes the composition of a song, she deserves credit. You know, you can write 11 songs and go into a studio to record them. If the producer decides he´ll add another part to that specific song he also deserves credit. This is probably unjust, because many producers use this as a concrete tactic to steal part of the royalties due to the composer. However, it is (theoretically) up to the composer to decide if he wants those changes to be made.

In that case, I would say Clare Torry has contributed very much to the song. What would the song be without her voice, except of a few piano/ organ chords? if she deserves half of it, is another question. They should have settled with 20% from the start, if you ask me.
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Contrary to your opinion, Roger is a very friendly person. He might not have treated everyone well back in the 70s, but people change, you know.


Might not have???????

I'm not saying for a second that people DON'T change. Back then, he did behave like a megalomaniac asswipe; or so it would appear.

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David Gilmour, talented as he is, certainly lacks Roger's lyrical genius, in my opinion. Still, I've never understood why people hate The Division Bell. I really like a lot of those songs - as you quite correctly pointed out, people do change... and of course their music frequently changes with them.

Are you seriously saying that there was nothiing bombastic about The Wall's live shows?
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Might not have???????

I'm not saying for a second that people DON'T change. Back then, he did behave like a megalomaniac asswipe; or so it would appear.
Like this for example...

"It's sounding too toppy"
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Too toppy? It couldn't possible be too toppy. The only thing it could have been is less toppy. More toppy, rather.

Apple pie please... AND NOT THE CRUST.

Christ! Where would rock'n'roll be without feedback?!

Yes... I am sad to say that I know Live at Pompeii off by heart and backwards. The music's amazing.

Less importantly, there's also this little detail:




My best mate at uni thought I was mad... but then, she found John Entwistle attractive!

I don't care how old and fat he gets... David Gilmour is David Gilmour and that is the end of any argument on that score! Not that there is any, but there you go.
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OH! PLUS!! I got a Live8 ticket yesterday!!!!!!!

Pink Floyd, U2, McCartney, Coldplay....! Nice.
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Waters actually was more of a megalomaniac in the 80s and into the 90s than he was in the 70s. It was only during/post-The Wall that he started acting as if he were Pink Floyd, driving Rick Wright out of the band, attempting to sack longtime Floyd manager Steve O'Rourke, and dumping Nick Mason into semi-retirement by replacing him on drums for a few tracks of The Final Cut.

Gilmour is an easygoing guy but after The Final Cut he'd had enough of Roger running roughshod over the group and trying to grab credit for EVERYTHING the Floyd ever did.
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Thanks for that info, which I already knew... it was a useful comment though. This is one thing I like about Floydianism - our earnest attempts at enlightenment!

Well, yes, you're right about the timing... but the tension had been building for a fair while during the 70s, in my opinion. Rog wrote all DSOTM's lyrics and composed most of the music as well - he was very much taking control, and as the album emerged in March 1973, that must have been way back in '72!

Rick Wright: We fought during `The Wall,' which was an album Waters wrote, based on his family story, we all clashed long before that, during the period of the Dark Side and `Wish You Were Here.' Actually, we never got along. But it was in `The Wall' that Roger really lost his mind. He was convinced that he is Pink Floyd and that he doesn't need me nor Nick Mason. I wasn't in a state to argue about that, because we were financially ruined.
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