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Old 11-05-2007, 10:43 PM   #781
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Did you like the Redux version more than the original cut?
I did, yes, though, to be fair, it has been a long time since I watched the original. It's not like LOTR or something, where I see ROTK in the theater, and one year later buy the extended version, making it easier for me to compare and contrast.

All I know is that watching Apocalypse was thoroughly engrossing and I was just overly impressed with scene after scene.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:50 PM   #782
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Oh, okay.

Once my Netflix account isn't on hold, I'll put it toward the top of the queue.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:51 PM   #783
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You should. Laz needs to come in here and more accurately describe how incredible that film is.
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AN > AN: Redux
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:53 PM   #785
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I want to preface my Redux comments by reminding you guys that this film is currently my #1 of all time. I've seen both versions in the theatre, own both DVDs, read Conrad's source material, seen Hearts of Darkness, and am currently reading a book about the production of the film.

I understand why some have a problem with Redux. It probably doesn't flow as well as the theatrical version, and not all the new scenes seem integral to the story. However, the film is episodic in nature anyway--it goes from set piece to set piece, and I'm not convinced that adding a couple more in really detracts from the tone and/or structure of the original.

Another common complaint is that regardless of how well the French Plantation section is written and shot, it's a huge detour at an important part of the film. Again, I disagree. Half the fucking story is a detour from the mission. Do Lung Bridge probably wouldn't seem to serve much of a purpose had it been dropped in as a new scene, as it's more psychedelic and out-there than anything else in the film. But the reality of the war is that this kind of shit was happening, and the French expatriates are as real as anything else in the film. The dinner argument provides a much more substantial political context for what's going on, and the love scene gives us another shade of Willard, who we don't get to know nearly as well as we do Kurtz in the theatrical version. Clean's funeral is so well-done and is a nice bit of closure.

The bottom line is that I love this film, everything about it, and to me the Redux just gives me more of that magic behind and in front of the camera. I doubt I'll ever watch the other version again.
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If my calculations are correct my next threesome of movies will be:

Vertigo
Apocalypse Now
Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas

I'm gonna see some serious shit.
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I want to preface my Redux comments by reminding you guys that this film is currently my #1 of all time. I've seen both versions in the theatre, own both DVDs, read Conrad's source material, seen Hearts of Darkness, and am currently reading a book about the production of the film.

I understand why some have a problem with Redux. It probably doesn't flow as well as the theatrical version, and not all the new scenes seem integral to the story. However, the film is episodic in nature anyway--it goes from set piece to set piece, and I'm not convinced that adding a couple more in really detracts from the tone and/or structure of the original.

Another common complaint is that regardless of how well the French Plantation section is written and shot, it's a huge detour at an important part of the film. Again, I disagree. Half the fucking story is a detour from the mission. Do Lung Bridge probably wouldn't seem to serve much of a purpose had it been dropped in as a new scene, as it's more psychedelic and out-there than anything else in the film. But the reality of the war is that this kind of shit was happening, and the French expatriates are as real as anything else in the film. The dinner argument provides a much more substantial political context for what's going on, and the love scene gives us another shade of Willard, who we don't get to know nearly as well as we do Kurtz in the theatrical version. Clean's funeral is so well-done and is a nice bit of closure.

The bottom line is that I love this film, everything about it, and to me the Redux just gives me more of that magic behind and in front of the camera. I doubt I'll ever watch the other version again.
Laz to the rescue. Thanks.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:54 PM   #788
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If my calculations are correct my next threesome of movies will be:

Vertigo
Apocalypse Now
Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas

I'm gonna see some serious shit.

Wow, Vertigo is my #2 of all time. You will be well trained.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:56 PM   #789
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Nice, what's your #3? And what did you think of Fear & Loathing?
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Everytime I see someone mention Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas I initially read it as Leaving Las Vegas, which makes me a very happy person. Then I realize I can't read.
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Leaving Las Vegas is the one with Nic Cage and Elizabeth Shue, right?
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Everytime I see "Las Vegas" I think about how many road trips I made there and get sad that I now live 1,500 miles away.

Leaving Las Vegas > Honeymoon in Vegas > Feak and Loathing in Las Vegas.
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Leaving Las Vegas is the one with Nic Cage and Elizabeth Shue, right?
Correct.

And everytime someone says Nic Cage is a bad actor I shove a copy of this film up their ass and spit on their shoe.
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Nic Cage is a former good actor who turned himself into a movie star.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:17 PM   #795
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Ghost ride the whip.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:22 PM   #796
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Though, out of nowhere, he did wind up on Adaptation, which I liked a lot. Then right back to schlock.

Have you seen Honeymoon in Vegas? I think he's fucking hilarious in that film. I just see films like that, or Raising Arizona, or as you mention, Leaving Las Vegas.....then see his latest fare, and it bums me out. Then again, if I don't like the roles he takes, I simply need to not see those films.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:25 PM   #797
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I liked Honeymoon in Vegas and Raising Arizona, not as much as everyone else, but they were enjoyable. I absolutely loved the pairing of him and Sam Rockwell in Matchstick Men.
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I've been meaning to see Adaptation. It's somewhere near the bottom of my gargantuan netflix queue.

Matchstick Men was also another great recent Cage performance.

edit: damn, Limpy beat me to that one.
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Matchstick Men disappointed me. He was good, though, agreed Lance, but the film itself just never did it for me. Rockwell, yeah, I like that dude a lot.

Is there any other Cage film released recently, or semi-recently, that was a good movie? Anything I'm forgetting, outside of Matchstick Men and Adaptation?
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He had a hilarious cameo in one of the Grindhouse trailers and I've heard The Weather Man is actually kind of good.

Call me crazy, but I kind of liked National Treasure.
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