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Old 08-08-2005, 04:59 AM   #141
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Heh, I'm also the fast reader; I gulped down the entire 6 Harry Potter books in one week. I don't always go through the books like a bulldozer, but HP is so extremely readable,

I definitely find Snape the most fascinating character in the books, mostly because Dumbledore's absolute trust in him and the times he clearly does good are so at odds with his complete lack of any likeable personal qualities and his complete set of usual villainy traits starting with his appearance. And while he professes scorn for people who "wear their hearts on the sleeve" and is remarkably hard to read most of the times he appears to have zero emotional self-control over everything to do with Harry's father and his friends; in many ways both Snape and Sirius are kinda stuck in adolescence IMO.

I seriously don't think that the last book drew all these parallels between Snape and Tom Riddle (half-bloods, brilliant students drawn to Dark Arts, invented impressive nicknames for themselves, isolated from other people) in order to say, yep, they're exactly the same and evil to the core. And I think it would be a very flat ending if Harry was shown to be right to hate Snape from day one and give no credit whatsoever for the times Snape did do right. I think it would be good for him to learn a more mature attitude of Lupin who also suffered from Snape yet is still capable of feeling gratitude when it's due.
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The book was great, but I wasn't crazy about the big "Wha...?" feeling I got at the end. It's driving me insane, so many questions! Book 7 oughta be HUGE!

I was immediately suspicious when Snape killed Dumbledore. It was just too easy, and I really believe Snape is on the good side as it is. Through the whole series, you constantly wonder "Is he or isn't he?" with Snape. I think in book 7, Dumbledore's death will prove to be quite dignified.

I haven't kept up with the news. Has Rowling hinted at anything beyond the 7 book series? With such a huge insane following, it seems almost absurd that she wouldn't continue in some way. Either a continuation of Harry and his adult years, or a spin-off of the other characters. As much as I look forward to the next book, I'll almost be sad to see it come to an end.
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Just 2 curious things:

I've just saw the Chamber of Secrets again (DVD), and here's what I found interesting:

1. When Harry is talking with Dumbledore (his last scene with him on his office) there's one part where you can see a paint of Dumbledore in the back of his seat (maybe revealing that he was going to die on book 6)...

So, maybe on the other movies there are clues of what's going to happen on book 7...

2. When Lucius gave a sock to Dobby, and is about to curse Harry... I think that Lucius said "AVADA" before Dobby attacks him...

Just my 2 cents
#2. Yep, he sure did. In the theatre during that part I elbowed my husband so hard he yelped (and didn't get what the fuss was about since he hasn't read the books).
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Anyone think that it was Dumbledore's brother, and not Dumbledore who died?

He is the bartender at Boars Head.
He looks just like DD.
He is a member of the Order of the Phoenix.

Harry commented once that the bartender looked familiar.
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I seriously don't think that the last book drew all these parallels between Snape and Tom Riddle (half-bloods, brilliant students drawn to Dark Arts, invented impressive nicknames for themselves, isolated from other people) in order to say, yep, they're exactly the same and evil to the core.
Yeah, perhaps the parallels were drawn to show that although Snape and Voldy are very much the same, one always has the power to choose good over evil and find redemption--Voldy could have but chose not to, and Snape did.

Snape is also way too much of a villian cliche to be an actual villian. I've noticed that people seem to absolutley love his character, I understand it, but at the same time I'm not sure why (maybe they just love Alan Rickman?)

As for the movies giving clues...I don't know how a movie could give clues to a book that hasn't been written yet, unless JKR tells the filmakers her ideas in advance, but I doubt she would.

I also think Dumbledore is dead and not coming back. I'd actually rather he didn't, bringing characters back from the dead seems to be a way too easy--though I really can't say I'd mind a return of Sirius.
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Anyone think that it was Dumbledore's brother, and not Dumbledore who died?

He is the bartender at Boars Head.
He looks just like DD.
He is a member of the Order of the Phoenix.

Harry commented once that the bartender looked familiar.
Interesting questions. I wonder if the familiarity was another clue.
Lemonfix, it's weird, as JK Rowling has said before it is unsettling (or some other word) how Chris Columbus has put things in the movies inadvertantly that she had no intention of asking him to do. I cant remember the exact quote, but it is very weird!

And you're right on Snape's popularity and the cliche of villain. I think anyone is going to agree that he was absolutely superbly cast in this role, there is no actor anywhere who I think could have done this role as well as he has. Snape's character too, is fascinating in quite a few ways. He is so cold and emotionless, yet as Harry saw in the pensieve that day, he actually has quite a deep well of feeling on many things. Snape's personality contradictions, I think, are what make him so absolutely intriguing. He is very well aware of a great deal of the whole story, that much can be sure, surely. His lifetime of dislike of Harry father and his mates in particular, answers half his bitterness and distaste to Harry now, but does it really explain that clinical iciness he projects? I've never thought so. If someone truly is on the side of good, there surely needs to be a bit more humility and compassion, but Snape lacks it. I dont think all of it can be attrtibuted to the past. I think Snape is playing (and has been all along) a role we aren't even aware of yet, and he is simply coldly focused on it. Perhaps something might come up which will show why he is so adamantly anti everyone.
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I'm sure Alan Rickman has a lot to do with Snape's popularity, I gotta say though, I'm creeped out by the fangirls who so obviously go for that whole "bad boy" appeal of him (and Draco too) and try and whitewash the character. It's bad enough that this sort of thing happens in real life where infatuated women are purposefully blind to just how cruel and abusive some men can be. Snape's one of my favourite characters too, but there's no pretending that he's a quite appalling individual.

I don't really think that Snape's been playing a role all that time; to me he seems a case of a bitter I-am-an-island loner who doesn't like people in general. It's true that so far he has shown no evidence of being able to feel empathy or attachment to anyone, and if he is indeed working for the Order he seems to have that double-agent curse of feeling more comfortable around the people he's working against than his own side. However I still don't think it's completely unlikely that there was a tiny handful of people in Snape's life he did care about.

Regarding Harry and his less-than-spectacular wizarding skills: before he even gets around to showdown with Voldemort, he's still got four or more Horcruxes to destroy and there's no way he'll be able to do it without some serious outside help. Destroying the ring Horcrux nearly killed Dumbledore and the locket had major defences about it that only a powerful wizard could have penetrated. It would be a cop-out if the rest of the Horcruxes didn't have similarly strong protections about them, and even Hermione, for all her brilliance, is still a student wizard. With Dumbledore dead now, who is going to give Harry aid, especially since he seems adamant not to disclose anything he discussed with DD to anyone else?

I've read the Spinner's End chapter again and noticed that when Narcissa first asks Snape to make an Unbreakable Vow she doesn't actually ask him to promise to do Draco's job if he fails to. She only asks him to help Draco and see that he comes to no harm, and brings up the third request only during the Vow itself, from which Snape can hardly back out from now (hence his hesitation before agreeing, maybe?) And why does he agree to the Vow anyway? Yeah, Bellatrix was making all sorts of jeering comments about how Snape always stays out of action, but he'd have a full right to say "no". Narcissa's not supposed to ask him for help anyway, and Snape has every reason to refuse to do something that could jeopardise his valuable position as a spy. Unless he's touched for real by her motherly grief... which doesn't gel at all with his unfeeling iciness.
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This is kind of off-topic, but I wonder if there's more to Snape's relationship with Harry's dad and co than we know about yet. He absolutely loathes Harry, but as far as we know it's only cos his dad picked on him sometimes. Snape seems like a person that would need more than that to be provoked or to show the absolute hatrid he shows Harry.
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Ditto on this as well. I really like Harry and I'm rooting for him. But he's never struck me as particularly gifted or clever. Just damn lucky.
I think Harry is "average" in many areas - except one, DADA. To conjure up the patronus at his young age proved how exceptional he was in this area.

I also believe this is crucial to the next book, as well. Hermoine may have the all around skills to help Harry, and Harry has tons of friends to help, but it's Harry's outstanding DADA skills that may ultimately help him defeat the DE's and Voldemort.

Also, one has to realize that Harry has indeed faced Voldemort several times - and lived! Not many wizards can say this, in fact, I think the only one who could say it is Dumbledore - and now he's "gone". This also makes Harry exceptional. Some how, some way, he survives. And that unforeseen skill/luck/charm is what also sets him apart.

As for the "dumbledore is not dead" site, I've read it too and found it to be well done! While some correlations are rather weak, the obvious ones just glare out (and some of them were mentioned in this thread). I really do think DD will make a return - of some sort - in Book 7.
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I think it's safe to say that the last book is going to have death and revenge galore, Apart from the obvious one, I think there's bound to be a showdown between Lupin and Greyback (which Lupin damn better win), and Bellatrix is sure to cop it from either Harry or Neville. And whatever side he's on, Snape is definitely a goner. The core three of Harry, Ron and Hermione are pretty safe, IMO; I doubt JKR would ever get things -that- dark.
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I'm rereading the book now to try to pick up details I may have missed on the first rush through.

btw, I just saw an ad at our theatre here for a "coming soon" Harry Potter movie. Is goblet of fire already been made into a film? I am so behind the times.
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I'm rereading the book now to try to pick up details I may have missed on the first rush through.

btw, I just saw an ad at our theatre here for a "coming soon" Harry Potter movie. Is goblet of fire already been made into a film? I am so behind the times.
Comes out in November. Very excited for that, as well as Chronicles of Narnia and King Kong.
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oh man! I can't WAIT for Narnia. I have read those books countless times...since childhood and right up to today.
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I think it's safe to say that the last book is going to have death and revenge galore, Apart from the obvious one, I think there's bound to be a showdown between Lupin and Greyback (which Lupin damn better win), and Bellatrix is sure to cop it from either Harry or Neville. And whatever side he's on, Snape is definitely a goner. The core three of Harry, Ron and Hermione are pretty safe, IMO; I doubt JKR would ever get things -that- dark.
Oh yes, Snape is gonna get it, my guess is that he dies doing something heroic.

Actually, I think they are in production of the 5th film, which according to IMDB comes out sometime in 2007.
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Hermione...

*her character is exactly my age in this one, so I can dream, and I'm gonna dream out loud*
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*her character is exactly my age in this one, so I can dream, and I'm gonna dream out loud*
So it's 3 girls now, eh Jake?

I read somewhere that the 5th movie won't be out until 2007. At the rate that they're going, they'll have to replace the current Harry, Ron, and Hermione because they'll all be too old to play the parts.
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Well Luke Perry was about 30 playing a 20 year old on Beverly Hills 90210, it can work...


well everyone can have their dreamgirls, and real life ones...
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I read somewhere that the 5th movie won't be out until 2007. At the rate that they're going, they'll have to replace the current Harry, Ron, and Hermione because they'll all be too old to play the parts.
Hmmm.... let's see....

Book 1 = Hermoine, Harry, Ron and Draco are supposed to be 11 years old.
Actual ages by the Nov. 2001 film release: Watson = 11 (April 15, '90), Radcliffe = 12 (July 23, '89), Grint = 13 (Aug. 24, '88), Felton = 14 (Sept. 22, '87)

Book 2 = 12 years
Actual ages by the Nov. 2002 film release: 12, 13, 14, 15 (for Watson, Radcliffe, Grint and Felton)

Book 3 = 13 years
Actual ages by the June 2004 film release: 14, 14, 15, 16 (for Watson, Radcliffe, Grint and Felton)

Book 4 = 14 years
Actual ages by the Nov. 2005 film release: 15, 16, 17, 18 (for Watson, Radcliffe, Grint and Felton)

Book 5 = 15 years
Actual ages by Nov. 2007 film release (estimated release date): 17, 18, 19, 20 (for Watson, Radcliffe, Grint and Felton)

Book 6 = 16 years
Actual ages by Nov. 2008 film release (estimated release date): 18, 19, 20, 21 (for Watson, Radcliffe, Grint and Felton)

As shown, some actors started out older than their characters from the start. Of course, it's important to remember that I'm listing the actors' ages as of the movie release date - the filming may be done a year before than (with the rest of the time dedicated to CGI effects and editing). Hence, this is why Tom Felton was able to play an 11 year old so well in the first movie, even though he was 14 by the time the movie was released.

It's also key to remember that not every 13 year old is the same. I presently know two 13 year old boys who's voices haven't even changed! My voice changed shortly after my 14th birthday. And it's this aspect that may help a child actor play a younger part.

At the current filming schedule, while Tom Felton may be looking a bit "old in the tooth" to play a 16 year old (by Movie 6), Radcliffe and Watson will still be in their teens. A few years age difference here shouldn't be too dramatic.

The unknown is Book 7. As it's not even written yet, how long it takes until it's converted into a movie may play a role in whether all the main actors stay for the entire series. If Movie 7 comes out in 2009, then we have the same situation as we did in Movie 6, and I don't think anyone will be too upset to discover a 22 year old Tom Felton playing a 17 year old Draco Malfoy. But if it takes until 2010 or later for that last book, then there might be a problem using some of the same actors.

Of course, this goes the other way as well. The older actors are aging and may not be able to play their parts. We already lost Richard Harris (Dumbledore). Michael Gambon, Harris's replacement, was born in 1940. Alan Rickman (Snape) was born in 1946. Maggie Smith (McGonagall) was born in 1934. Robbie Coltrane (Hagrid) was born in 1950. All of these actors are now over 55 years of age. If Book 7 isn't made into a movie until 2011, Maggie Smith would be nearly 80, provided she is still alive! So there is a sense of urgency to get these works out, but not necessarily because of the child actors.
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Oh yes, Snape is gonna get it, my guess is that he dies doing something heroic.

I've felt that way since Prizoner of Azkaban, actually. I think he'll die doing something to save Harry specifically.



Oh, and on another note-- what if it's not Harry himself that's the horcrux, but the SCAR????
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So it's 3 girls now, eh Jake?

I read somewhere that the 5th movie won't be out until 2007. At the rate that they're going, they'll have to replace the current Harry, Ron, and Hermione because they'll all be too old to play the parts.
Not a big deal. At a year and a half between movies, they wil be 20 or 21 when the last movie comes out. That is not too old to play 17 year olds.
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