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Old 07-29-2005, 03:19 PM   #81
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Unless Slughorn really *is* evil, took the polyjuice potion, and killed Dumbledore...
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Did anyone else find it incredibly ironic (if not downright funny) that Lord "Pure-Bloods Are Best" Voldemort comes from horribly inbred stock?! What good is being "pure-blooded" if your family looks and acts like a bunch of extras from the X-Files episode Home?!
Throughout the book I couldn't help thinking that Rowling was making a kind of indibtment on the British Class system/snobbery--you know, people try to keep the blood pure, royal, whatever, and end up marrying relatives just to do so.

Also, about Aunt Petunia being a Squib, I originally thought this could be a possibility, but then I remembered that Harry's maternal grandparents were both Muggles so that would be impossible (unless there is some twist that one/both of Lilly's parents were themselves Squibs, but that's very unlikley.)

I also think that DD is gone for good. I know that Snape really had to mean it when he used Avada Kadavra...and I think he DID really mean it. He really did want DD dead because he knew that was the only way for the Order to accomplish their plans, he just didn't want him dead out of malice or hatred.
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Why would it be impossible for Aunt Petunia to be a squib? Was there something in one of the other books about this? I really need to go back and read some more. I can't remember the squib bit. Harry's mother is a witch and she is from the same family and aren't Hermoine's parents both Muggles?
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Heeeere's an interesting thought. Can people be made into Horcruxes? What if, in killing Lily, Harry became the last Horcrux? After all, he did transfer some of himself into Harry...
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Some people on the HP boards around the 'net have speculated the same thing, UnforgettableLemon. But it seems risky to make a living thing a horcrux. Of course, it could've been accidental - maybe when the spell (Avada Kedavra) rebounded on Voldemort it also made Harry a horcrux.

This whole idea of horcruxes are, of course, new to Book 6. And Rowling didn't really explain them well (how they are made, how one actually "tears apart" his/her soul, etc.). But it is nice how she's connecting Book 6 with events from Book 2 (the diary). Shows a nice stream of thought and connects everything.

I was just glad that Harry was over his angst in Book 6. I couldn't take any more whining from Book 5.
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Why would it be impossible for Aunt Petunia to be a squib? Was there something in one of the other books about this? I really need to go back and read some more. I can't remember the squib bit. Harry's mother is a witch and she is from the same family and aren't Hermoine's parents both Muggles?
I was under the impression that to be a Squib (which is different than being a straight out Muggle, I think) one had to have a magical parent. But I guess nothing ever says that you can't be a Squib from Muggle parents, just as you can be a witch or wizard from Muggle parents.
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yeah, if Aunt Petunia was non-magical from Muggle parents, wouldn't she simply be a Muggle as well?

Anyway, interesting thoughts guys, especially the one about Harry being the final Horcrux. If I hear "Your mother died to save you and Voldemort transferred some of his power to you" one more time, I think I'll be sick. But that theory would definitely add even more meaning to it.

On second thought though, it doesn't really make sense. Why would he put part of his soul into the person he's trying to kill? We need to know more about Horcruxes and how they work...
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Some people on the HP boards around the 'net have speculated the same thing, UnforgettableLemon. But it seems risky to make a living thing a horcrux. Of course, it could've been accidental - maybe when the spell (Avada Kedavra) rebounded on Voldemort it also made Harry a horcrux.

This whole idea of horcruxes are, of course, new to Book 6. And Rowling didn't really explain them well (how they are made, how one actually "tears apart" his/her soul, etc.). But it is nice how she's connecting Book 6 with events from Book 2 (the diary). Shows a nice stream of thought and connects everything.

I was just glad that Harry was over his angst in Book 6. I couldn't take any more whining from Book 5.
I'm such a sucker for tragedy... I've always felt that Harry's death would legitimize everything... Voldemort ultimately kills Harry because Harry can't find the last Horcrux, inadvertantly leaving himself vulnerable to... Neville! It all comes together! MWahahahaha....


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Just finished the book. Thank God it was sooo much better than the fifth one, which I found frankly plodding despite some really interesting stuff popping in here and there ("Snape's Worst Memory" was a huge surprise). Despite knowing the ending beforehand, DD's death was still devastating to actually read about,

How sweet was it with Bill and Fleur??

Snape... gah what a dark horse! I'm not sure at all what's his deal at this point and what side he's really on. On one hand, Dumbledore does acknowledge to Harry that when he makes a mistake, it tends to be a huge one. And all the previous books repeatedly made it look like Snape is guilty only to clear him again and again at the end - is this the book where his true nature is shown?

On the other hand, despite DD's remarked-on fondness for giving people second chances, I just can't believe that he would make a mistake of trusting someone who is so obviously skilled at lying and pretending (like any good double agent) without a rock-hard reason. There just got to be more to why DD believed Snape to be on their side than what was revealed to Harry so far. Otherwise Dumbledore comes off as, well, really dumb, responding to continuous doubts and accusations by sticking his fingers in his ears and going "lalalala not listening", so to speak. Plus, Dumbledore to me always appeared as someone who's always planning and thinking miles ahead. And like many people pointed out there're many oddities there like his unexplained argument with Snape and what it is exactly Snape didn't want to do anymore; or his baffling pleading at the end; or Snape giving Harry what sounded frankly like a lesson on unspoken spells (nasty and sarcastic one, sure, but that's Snape we're talking about). I just don't know,

One theory I have, if Snape really did go back to the good over his remorse for what happened to Harry's parents, could it be that he had feelings for Lily, Harry's Mum? I know he called her a Mudblood in the memory Harry saw, but if you went by that memory alone Lily and James had as much chance of ending up together as snowball surviving in hell, yet they did eventually. And although Snape always says nothing but hateful things about Harry's father, did he ever badmouth Harry's mother? I know it's all probably far-fetched, but I just can't see why else his telling the prophecy would turn out to be the biggest regret of his life - provided that it really was, of course.
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Holy crap, lol. The next book better spend the whole 600 pages explaining all these questions!
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One theory I have, if Snape really did go back to the good over his remorse for what happened to Harry's parents, could it be that he had feelings for Lily, Harry's Mum? I know he called her a Mudblood in the memory Harry saw, but if you went by that memory alone Lily and James had as much chance of ending up together as snowball surviving in hell, yet they did eventually. And although Snape always says nothing but hateful things about Harry's father, did he ever badmouth Harry's mother? I know it's all probably far-fetched, but I just can't see why else his telling the prophecy would turn out to be the biggest regret of his life - provided that it really was, of course.
People have speculated that Snape may have had a thing for Lilly Potter, and when she was killed Snape blamed himself and left Voldy. Of course he was mean to her in the memory, but that could have been his way of hiding his true feelings. It could very well be a possibility.
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Severus Snape = Persues Evans (pursues evans)

Evans was Lily's maiden name.
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Amyone think that Harry is a Horcrux?
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Amyone think that Harry is a Horcrux?
Holy crap you might be on to something! I mean Harry is said to have gotten something from Voldemort when he tried to kill him...hmmm
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Some very interesting theories and thoughts here, guys. Thanks! I for one loved the book. You knew Dumbledore was going to die (like someone earlier said, in the hero's myth-arc, the mentor has to go for the hero to be on his own). I right now think that Snape will be exonerated, but she'll have to do it very carefully. I'd find that to be the more interesting choice, anyway. It would be odd for Dumble. to have been wrong about him, but not inconceivable. He was always on to Tom Riddle, every if he did have hopes.

Lovin the slightly more mature Harry--he's still reckless and angry, but wiser and determined, and so strong and courageous. Vold. has created himself a formidlble enemy.

JKR's formula is showing a bit--I hope she totally ditches it for the final book (do we really need more boring classes with Hermionie knowling all the answers and another Quiditch match?). She relied quite a bit on exposition.

Ginny was a strange and sorta dull choice, IMHO, for Harry's love interest. She's always seemed like a bunch of kid-sister cliches too me and will need to be fleshed out more if that's going to hold my interest.

Loved loved loved the cave scene with D. and Harry looking for the final Horcrux. The idea that it could be Harry himself is very interesting--except that Vold. has spent, so far as we knwo, the past 6 books trying to kill him. LOL. I suppose he could have figured he has others to fall back on. Doesn't seem likely.

I thought Dumble.'s death was quite noble, esp. if he felt it necessary for Vold's final defeat.

Loved Harry telling the Ministy to off, he's Dumbledore's man.

All the themes I"ve loved about this are there still--friendship, love, honor, the sense of growing up and discovering how your choices shape you for good or ill, discovering what you're really made of.

Can't waiit for book 7--she's got a very tough job to do to make it great.
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I've always felt Snape had a sweet spot for Lilly, but since she didn't really show him that *type* of interest in return, he kept silent or was insulting (as a way of masking his feelings). After all, how can Snape - who is a half-blood - mock Lilly for being a half-blood as well?

As for Harry being a Horcrux, I need to learn a lot more about Horcruxes are made before I accept that theory. And by the time we learn that, it'll be Book 7 and we'll all know that answer.

I do, however, feel that Snape and Dumbledore were together on a plan. Even with Dumbledore in his weakened state, it seems too easy that Draco - of all people - would disarm Dumbledore. And why did Dumbledore use his last spell to freeze Harry - what was gained by that? Why didn't Dumbledore use unspoken magic to get his wand back, instead of talking to Draco that whole time? Surely, the most powerful wizard - even one weakened with poison - could retrieve his own wand. And for Snape to be the one to kill him - the one that Dumbledore trusted without doubt? Clearly there's something fishy here.

I like the idea of Neville being heavily involved in Book 7. I also know that Draco and Harry will team up in that book (Rowling stated as such).

If Harry is a Horcrux, does Harry necessarily have to die (or be destroyed) to release that part of Voldemort's soul? Also, if Harry was an "accidental Horcrux" (meaning, created when the killing spell rebounded on Voldemort), maybe this means Harry doesn't have to die to have Volde's soul removed after all. Hmmm...
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I still think in the back of my mind that DD realized he was going to die...he knew he had not reached help in time...and somehow Snape knew it too.

Snape was only supposed to act if Draco FAILED....he did not give Draco the chance to fail.....Maybe it was his way of getting undercover....

I cannot believe DD was so wrong.
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I've always felt Snape had a sweet spot for Lilly, but since she didn't really show him that *type* of interest in return, he kept silent or was insulting (as a way of masking his feelings). After all, how can Snape - who is a half-blood - mock Lilly for being a half-blood as well?
Lily is Muggle-born, not half-blood. It's a nasty pecking order, the "pure-bloods" think they're superior to everybody, the "half-bloods" spit on the Muggle-borns, and they all hate Squibs and Muggles (not all of Wizardkind, of course, just the idiots who subscribe to the superiority nonsense). And if Voldemort, who's Muggle on one side and totally inbred wizards on the other, can snarl at half-bloods and the rest, what's to stop Snape or any of the rest of his followers from doing the same thing? Prejudice is hardly logical.

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I like the idea of Neville being heavily involved in Book 7. I also know that Draco and Harry will team up in that book (Rowling stated as such).
I like how Neville has developed as a character, and look forward to seeing him bloom in Book 7. The Draco & Harry team-up will be most interesting. I hope Draco can be turned around and made to see the error of his ways.
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Harry a Horcrux? Could be, but unless she can find a really sneaky way to get around it I don't see JKR killing off Harry in the last book. C'mon, he's her baby,

Dunno if this is a plothole or not, but how come Harry doesn't recognise Snape's handwriting after he's been his student for five years? Could it really change that much?

I think it's a bit of an annoying writing weakness that helpful devices like travel back in time or the truth potion which help to solve a problem in one book are then completely ignored in another in order for the plot to progress the way it should. Unavoidable, maybe, but still annoying.

Don't know if this theory was mentioned yet, but someone at imdb.com board suggested that perhaps removing the curse from the Slytherin ring came with a far greater price than a blackened hand, and Dumbledore knew he was going to die for a long time. Which is why he was so eager for Harry to learn about Horcruxes and get that missing memory from Slughorn, and had no problems giving a jinxed position to Snape. The jinx thing BTW explains (I think) why Snape never ever got to teach his favourite subject. DD said himself that he had foreseen Voldy's return, and probably didn't want to risk losing his agent to a curse.

I like the Snape/Lily theory the more I think about it; apart from everything else it would tie in nicely with the whole idea of Voldemort's plans going down like lead baloon because of that pesky love thing.

If DD's murder was indeed a set-up, I wonder if there could be another, third person who knows that it's all arranged. Because, as people pointed out, how does Snape's further infiltration help the Order if everyone on the good side wants to rip his head off right now.
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Harry a Horcrux? Could be, but unless she can find a really sneaky way to get around it I don't see JKR killing off Harry in the last book. C'mon, he's her baby,
Yeah, remember this is still a kids/young adult book. Killing off Harry would really be a horrible blow to a lot of young readers.

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Dunno if this is a plothole or not, but how come Harry doesn't recognise Snape's handwriting after he's been his student for five years? Could it really change that much?
I don't know if Harry saw much of Snape's handwriting other than letter grades. Snape doesn't seem like one to make helpful comments


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I agree, time travel causes a lot of problems. You could go mad, but if you already know that time travel is possible, then seeing a double of yourself wouldn't really cause problems, would it? It'd be nice if she explained it more. Truth potion...maybe great wizards can sense when it's being given to them? Still, it could work on someone like Draco. And of course, liquid luck. Why not use the stuff whenever you're fighting Death Eaters or Voldy?

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I like the Snape/Lily theory the more I think about it; apart from everything else it would tie in nicely with the whole idea of Voldemort's plans going down like lead baloon because of that pesky love thing.
It may explain Snape's rancor towards Harry...Harry looks like James, which Snape dispised. Yet his eyes are like Lilly's, which in itself brings back sad memories. Also, Slughorn said that Lilly was an excellent potions student, maybe she got help from Snape.

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If DD's murder was indeed a set-up, I wonder if there could be another, third person who knows that it's all arranged. Because, as people pointed out, how does Snape's further infiltration help the Order if everyone on the good side wants to rip his head off right now.
Indeed. Where was Mad Eye Moody this whole book? Or other members of the order? Dumbledore could very well have left something behind that told of his plans.

Or maybe, Regulas Black is not as dead as we think he is? That'd be cool
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