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Old 07-20-2005, 12:44 PM   #21
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I didn't think the book was bad, but I'd say it was the weakest of the six I've read so far. This is the equivalent to saying that certain U2 albums aren't as strong as others. We all have a least favorite U2 album - but when compared to other artists, that album shines. Same is true with this book. I feel it's a solid book, but the weakest of her "Potter" work to date.

I have no problem with limited action. All her books are that way, having a climactic finale. I fully expect the same in Book 7, with perhaps a final chapter to close things up.

Unlike you, I knew Dumbledore was doomed after reading Book 5. He readily was able to handle Riddle/Voldemort. That alone suggested that he had to be "removed" if we are to see the big battle between Potter and Voldemort. I was disappointed, however, in how she had him die. Seems a somewhat ignoble way for what is arguably the most powerful wizard alive to pass on - an apparent attack from one he trusted.

Of course, this leads to what may be the most interesting theory of them all - perhaps Dumbledore trusted Snape so much because he wanted and fully expected Snape to kill him when the time came. Maybe Dumbledore's pleas weren't for mercy or for Snape to help him, but rather for Snape to fulfill the "contract" he might have made with Dumbledore years earlier. Perhaps Dumbledore knew that in order for Voldemort to be defeated, he (Dumbledore) had to die. Perhaps Trelawney made another prediction that got to Dumbledore's ears.

So it leads to a whole array of interesting plots. Was Snape the apparent traiter he now appears to be? Or was this all pre-arranged by Dumbledore? Hmmm...
Well, I guess I should start out by saying that Dumbledore has always been my absolute favorite character, and although I predicted it (it also fits the classic hero's journey archetype for the mentor to die (see: LOTR; Lion, Witch & Wardrobe)), I was very upset to see it actually come to pass (and I agree, in such an ignoble way!). I also cling to (call it denial, I suppose) to some faint belief that like the mentor's in those two books, Dumbledore might not really be dead... *hopes desperately* (His death was just too easy, especially for one of the greatest wizards of the age).

Weakest or not, this is my favorite installment of the series... Yes, JK could have spent more time with the 'Half-Blood Prince' and the action is pretty much contained until the end - but I guess that's not a problem to me... Instead of action, I was sitting there mentally trying to work out all these questions the book was giving me, and I really enjoyed that. Plus, I loved the way this was written, and was extremely glad to see Harry the brat was left in Book 5.

To respond to the above, however: JK has already said that she's going to have a last chapter that kind of summarizes what happens to the characers...

I'm not sure if I agree with your theory that Dumbldore needed to die so Harry could tackle him - it is very clear that Dumbldore has no intentions of killing Voldemort himself - he knows Harry must do so. Knowing this, it's not exactly necessary for him to be booted.

As to your theory regarding Dumbledore & Snape, however - now, that's pretty interesting. It's a twist on something I myself have been pondering... I think there's something there between Dumbldore and himself - but I think his "death" (believe it or not, haha) was somehow prearranged like that - it would allow Snape to fulfill his vow he made to Malfoy (Malfoy would have failed, and Snape was obligated to assist) - and by doing so, all suspicion regarding his loyalty to "the Dark Side' has now been lifted. This would allow him to continue his "work" on the other side (assuming he was always a spy to begin with).

If all of this is false, and Snape is truly evil, and if Dumbledore was THAT stupid, I'd be dissapointed... I can't imagine Dumbledore being THAT blind... And in that case, I'd say Snape is worse that Voldemort... At least you know what's Voldemort's goals are; there is no question as to his intention.

Ok, all this speculation sounds quite dorky, and there's little else I'll ramble on about - but yeah, I'll stop.
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I know what snogging is - but there's been a lot of 'shipper' usage - what does that mean??

It's not in the above dictionary - and I've heard it used a lot lately (Shippers hope this...Shippers want that...)
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Speaking of Horcruxes, I think I know who left the phony Horcrux.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD...AT LEAST A HALF-BAKED THEORY...DO NOT READ THE REST OF THIS POST IF YOU WANT TO BE SURPRISED IN BOOK SEVEN!

I believe that the one who left the bogus Horcrux is none other than Sirius' little brother, Regulus Black. The initials on the note are R. A. B. In book 5, one of the items they came across while cleaning the Black house was "a locket nobody could open". That's the real Horcrux; the real Locket of Slytherin. And Harry's going to have to hunt it down now, since it's probably in some wizard landfill somewhere...
WOAH. Never even considered that!!! OOO!
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Some interesting ideas, i want the new book NOW.
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This really prompts me that I need to get on and read this book and the one before it. I gave up on Harry Potter after book 4, for some reason
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I read it in 6 hours straight! I didn't like it as much as the fifth one. Dumbledore dying just pissed me off even though it makes sense. I wonder who's next to die- my guess is Ron or Hermione
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Well what perplexes me the most...is why Rowland claims that Book 7 is the last in the series and Harry meets his destiny......why mention that all now....doesn't that spoil the whole scenario and why would Harry meet such an early demise after all his training and experience in battle. Doesn't make sense to me.

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This really prompts me that I need to get on and read this book and the one before it. I gave up on Harry Potter after book 4, for some reason
Go back and read them! Too good to pass up.
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Well what perplexes me the most...is why Rowland claims that Book 7 is the last in the series and Harry meets his destiny......why mention that all now....doesn't that spoil the whole scenario and why would Harry meet such an early demise after all his training and experience in battle. Doesn't make sense to me.

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Destiny isn't necesarily death.
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Destiny can mean death......I believe she mentions that Harry's life ends..and the series would end. To me, it makes no sense as from what I read she hasn't started book 7 yet......and to me it's like ending something before it has even begun.

A better strategy would be just to start writing and see where the road leads instead of plotting a destination.

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Destiny can mean death......I believe she mentions that Harry's life ends..and the series would end. To me, it makes no sense as from what I read she hasn't started book 7 yet......and to me it's like ending something before it has even begun.

A better strategy would be just to start writing and see where the road leads instead of plotting a destination.

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She's already written the final chapter. She wrote it a long time ago, to give her a goal of sorts, something achievable. Plus, it's his last year at Hogwarts (and I do believe he will go back, all the books go by "year one at Hogwarts, year two, ect."). But you never know. She could extend the series, write spin-offs, ect.

at least we'll always have fanfiction like the great one my friend and I "wrote" involving Bono as Lupin

As for the sixth book, I thought it was quite good...the best? I'm not sure. But I don't think it was the worst. It was very well done.
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Sorry about that...I meant Rowling instead of Rowland {guess my mind was in South Texas when I made that mistake}.

So you're saying she's already written the final chapter of book 7 but not the previous chapters yet?

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I think we all no what will happen, Harrywilll fight he who will notr be named, then as they fight to the death, the true hero will kill He who must not be named, of course it is Neville, who will do it, well it could happen, be a good twist
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I'm afraid to say it quite possible Neville will be the one to kill Voldemort. Several clues lead to it
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Destiny can mean death......I believe she mentions that Harry's life ends..and the series would end. To me, it makes no sense as from what I read she hasn't started book 7 yet......and to me it's like ending something before it has even begun.

A better strategy would be just to start writing and see where the road leads instead of plotting a destination.

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What?!? It has always been planned as 7 years/7 books. Meeting his destiny just means confronting Voldemort, I have no idea where you are getting death from, although it is a possibility. Have you ever read a fantasy series where the ending is not in sight? It isn't pretty. (I'm looking right at you, Robert Jordan).
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I'm afraid to say it quite possible Neville will be the one to kill Voldemort. Several clues lead to it
Well the last book will show all, at least it better.
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I know what snogging is - but there's been a lot of 'shipper' usage - what does that mean??

It's not in the above dictionary - and I've heard it used a lot lately (Shippers hope this...Shippers want that...)
"Shipper" is the fanfiction term for fans who want to see a relationship between two characters.
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Have you ever read a fantasy series where the ending is not in sight? It isn't pretty. (I'm looking right at you, Robert Jordan).
The first four WOT books are great. Then.... ugh.... Rand uses the bathroom. In excruciating detail. Let's cut to Nynaeve braiding her hair... in the dream world... in excruciating detail... back to Rand on the john...
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The first four WOT books are great. Then.... ugh.... Rand uses the bathroom. In excruciating detail. Let's cut to Nynaeve braiding her hair... in the dream world... in excruciating detail... back to Rand on the john...
Just in case you still care. The 11th book comes out on October and they are saying it is the next to last, so it might end after all. Despite some of the tedium, I really want to read the last book.
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An interesting article on Half-Blood Prince:

http://www.slate.com/id/2123105/?nav=ais
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