kellyahern
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LemonMacPhisto said:
That was awesome!
I think that was the last VMAs I actually bothered semi-watching.
Britney Spears latest adventure
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That was awesome!
I think that was the last VMAs I actually bothered semi-watching.
WildHoneyAlways
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Bonochick said:
Me too.
Another song has leaked to the internet and it's pretty good.
corianderstem
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I just watched it, after taping the show last night. A few thoughts, which I'm sure have been echoed all over the intertubes...
She's not fat. She's not as lithe as she used to be, but a) who isn't (especially after 2 kids); and b) the outfit maybe wasn't the best choice. It didn't make her look not-fat, let's just put it that way.
That wasn't quite a trainwreck ... more of a half-assed Britney. I've never seen such half-assed dancing and half-assed lip-synching.
The song wasn't bad, though. I kind of dug it.
I wish she'd snap out of it and listen to the people who are trying to help her. (I'm assuming her family has been trying to help her, but maybe they've given up after being brushed off and served with lawsuits for too long.)
She's not fat. She's not as lithe as she used to be, but a) who isn't (especially after 2 kids); and b) the outfit maybe wasn't the best choice. It didn't make her look not-fat, let's just put it that way.
That wasn't quite a trainwreck ... more of a half-assed Britney. I've never seen such half-assed dancing and half-assed lip-synching.
The song wasn't bad, though. I kind of dug it.
I wish she'd snap out of it and listen to the people who are trying to help her. (I'm assuming her family has been trying to help her, but maybe they've given up after being brushed off and served with lawsuits for too long.)
ultravioletluvv
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U2isthebest said:
EXACTLY.
Irvine511
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Daddysgonnapay said:...she looks pretty damn good for jsut having 2 babies in such a short period of time...she is still a baby herself if you think about it.....but maybe she should have chosen a different outfit so that the buzzards would not have swarmed her
i totally agree, which is why her managers should be fired. you do not ... DO NOT ... go on stage in front of millions in a bikini unless you can pull it off. this isn't hard to do. this wasn't a photo of her on the beach in Maui relaxing with her family. this was a long-planned comeback event where everything must be perfect. people get paid lots of money to make sure that everything is perfect. she looks amazing for having 2 kids. but she doesn't look like this:
this is Britney Spears we're talking about. she has no actual voice. she's a good dancer. she's pretty enough. she had an amazing body. and her entire career was based upon a weird sort of girl power solidarity with the preteens, as well as giving these girls' fathers masturbatory Lolita fantasies.
she needs to have a body to be what she was. and she's got a great body. for a normal person. but she's not a normal person. she's a pop star. and if she's not ready, then don't freaking go on stage!
and i say her mother should be jailed because she allowed the powers-that-be to turn Britney into jailbait for years and years and years.
MsMofoGone
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Is It Fair to Savage Britney's Figure?
By JOCELYN NOVECK, AP National Writer
1 hour ago
NEW YORK - The consensus is clear: Britney Spears performed like she was sloshing blindfolded through mud at MTV's Video Music Awards. No one disputes that the troubled pop princess royally mangled her much-heralded comeback.
But what about the nastiest comments of all _ those about her body? "Lard and Clear," read Monday's headline in the New York Post. "The bulging belly she was flaunting was SO not hot," wrote E! Online. And so on.
Was it fair? Did Spears, lest we forget a mother of two, deserve to be held up against the standard of her once fantastically toned abs, sculpted by sessions of 1,000 tummy crunches? Or was she asking for it by choosing that unforgiving black-sequined bikini?
More profoundly, in an age where skinny models and skeletal actresses are under scrutiny for the message they're sending young girls, what does it say that we're excoriating a young woman for a little thickness in her middle?
Certainly people were curious to see her. The show drew 7.1 million viewers Sunday, up 23 percent over last year's VMAs, and was the highest-rated cable program of the year among people aged 12 to 34, according to Nielsen Media Research.
On the morning after what the VH1 channel called Spears' "already historic" performance, the blogosphere was buzzing with opinions. For every "fat" comment there was an impassioned retort. "Give her a break," wrote one blogger on Aboutthink.com. "The girl's had two kids _ I hope I'm a size 10 after having kids!"
"OK, she isn't fat," wrote another. "But she isn't fit enough to be wearing (or not wearing) what she is."
For many observers, the issue was not so much the body, but the body in THAT outfit.
"In that ensemble, you just can't have an ounce of anything extra," said Janice Min, editor of the celebrity magazine US Weekly. "Many women wouldn't eat for days if they were wearing that."
"Did she look better than 99 percent of women? Yes," added Min. "But compared to her earlier form, she probably didn't look as good."
Besides, said Min, "Britney Spears has always been about the whole package. It's never been 100 percent about the talent. Is it sexist? Probably, but she's built a career on an image of sexiness."
Talk of Spears' physique comes amid an increasingly critical focus on overly skinny actresses in Hollywood, who've largely replaced supermodels as the world's fashion plates. It's hard to pick up a celebrity magazine without a critical photo of, say, Angelina Jolie's birdlike arms. And curvy actresses are getting positive attention, from Oscar-winner Jennifer Hudson of "Dreamgirls" to Golden Globe-winner America Ferrara of TV's "Ugly Betty."
In the fashion industry, there's been an effort to promote healthier-looking models. "Girls aren't looking as skinny this season as they did," said Suze Yalof Scwhartz, executive editor-at-large for Glamour Magazine. "There's food backstage. They're looking sexier." At Glamour, she noted, a model won't be featured "if she shows too much clavicle."
The nastier headlines about Spears are uncalled for, Schwartz said, but at the same time, "when you walk around the stage in a black bikini in front of millions of viewers, people are going to notice." She added that though Spears doesn't have the perfect body she once did, "Most women would die for the body she has now."
An obvious question is whether a male performer would have been subjected to the same standards. Many would say no; Dave Zinczenko, editor of Men's Health magazine, says yes.
"Listen, any time you go on national television and dance in barely any clothing, you're going to be facing a lot of scrutiny," Zinczenko says. "Anybody would be asking for it." Not that many people weren't pulling for Spears, he notes: "If she had come back, she would have been the toast of the country."
And certainly she had a lot to come back from over the past few years: Well-documented parenting mishaps _ remember the baby on her lap in the driver's seat? A messy divorce from husband Kevin Federline. The famous crotch photos. The bizarre head-shaving incident. Rehab.
And now this.
"I kind of feel bad for her," said Shelley Wade, a DJ at New York City pop station Z100. "She looked really nervous. And then now, I'm looking at all these blogs this morning about how everybody thinks she's fat and I'm like, `What! Fat?' She wasn't fat."
How all this will impact Spears' career, and sales of her new album, has yet to be seen. "I just felt like that performance was make or break for her comeback," says Wade. "Now with last night's performance, she's just kind of put herself back in the same boat ... everybody thinks she's a train wreck."
But the single of "Gimme More," the song she destroyed onstage, is off to a great start in the Top 40, says Sean Ross of Edison Research, which tracks radio play. "A great VMA performance would have probably closed the deal for her, but she's still got until Thanksgiving to do other good performances and to release a strong album with other hits on it," he said.
In any case, it seems it would never be wise to write an obituary of Spears' career.
"With everything Britney, we think this is the last chance," says Min. "The fact is, it never is.
"At least this puts attention back on her as a performer. My sense is she'd rather be judged on that than on the rehab, the drinking and the partying."
By JOCELYN NOVECK, AP National Writer
1 hour ago
NEW YORK - The consensus is clear: Britney Spears performed like she was sloshing blindfolded through mud at MTV's Video Music Awards. No one disputes that the troubled pop princess royally mangled her much-heralded comeback.
But what about the nastiest comments of all _ those about her body? "Lard and Clear," read Monday's headline in the New York Post. "The bulging belly she was flaunting was SO not hot," wrote E! Online. And so on.
Was it fair? Did Spears, lest we forget a mother of two, deserve to be held up against the standard of her once fantastically toned abs, sculpted by sessions of 1,000 tummy crunches? Or was she asking for it by choosing that unforgiving black-sequined bikini?
More profoundly, in an age where skinny models and skeletal actresses are under scrutiny for the message they're sending young girls, what does it say that we're excoriating a young woman for a little thickness in her middle?
Certainly people were curious to see her. The show drew 7.1 million viewers Sunday, up 23 percent over last year's VMAs, and was the highest-rated cable program of the year among people aged 12 to 34, according to Nielsen Media Research.
On the morning after what the VH1 channel called Spears' "already historic" performance, the blogosphere was buzzing with opinions. For every "fat" comment there was an impassioned retort. "Give her a break," wrote one blogger on Aboutthink.com. "The girl's had two kids _ I hope I'm a size 10 after having kids!"
"OK, she isn't fat," wrote another. "But she isn't fit enough to be wearing (or not wearing) what she is."
For many observers, the issue was not so much the body, but the body in THAT outfit.
"In that ensemble, you just can't have an ounce of anything extra," said Janice Min, editor of the celebrity magazine US Weekly. "Many women wouldn't eat for days if they were wearing that."
"Did she look better than 99 percent of women? Yes," added Min. "But compared to her earlier form, she probably didn't look as good."
Besides, said Min, "Britney Spears has always been about the whole package. It's never been 100 percent about the talent. Is it sexist? Probably, but she's built a career on an image of sexiness."
Talk of Spears' physique comes amid an increasingly critical focus on overly skinny actresses in Hollywood, who've largely replaced supermodels as the world's fashion plates. It's hard to pick up a celebrity magazine without a critical photo of, say, Angelina Jolie's birdlike arms. And curvy actresses are getting positive attention, from Oscar-winner Jennifer Hudson of "Dreamgirls" to Golden Globe-winner America Ferrara of TV's "Ugly Betty."
In the fashion industry, there's been an effort to promote healthier-looking models. "Girls aren't looking as skinny this season as they did," said Suze Yalof Scwhartz, executive editor-at-large for Glamour Magazine. "There's food backstage. They're looking sexier." At Glamour, she noted, a model won't be featured "if she shows too much clavicle."
The nastier headlines about Spears are uncalled for, Schwartz said, but at the same time, "when you walk around the stage in a black bikini in front of millions of viewers, people are going to notice." She added that though Spears doesn't have the perfect body she once did, "Most women would die for the body she has now."
An obvious question is whether a male performer would have been subjected to the same standards. Many would say no; Dave Zinczenko, editor of Men's Health magazine, says yes.
"Listen, any time you go on national television and dance in barely any clothing, you're going to be facing a lot of scrutiny," Zinczenko says. "Anybody would be asking for it." Not that many people weren't pulling for Spears, he notes: "If she had come back, she would have been the toast of the country."
And certainly she had a lot to come back from over the past few years: Well-documented parenting mishaps _ remember the baby on her lap in the driver's seat? A messy divorce from husband Kevin Federline. The famous crotch photos. The bizarre head-shaving incident. Rehab.
And now this.
"I kind of feel bad for her," said Shelley Wade, a DJ at New York City pop station Z100. "She looked really nervous. And then now, I'm looking at all these blogs this morning about how everybody thinks she's fat and I'm like, `What! Fat?' She wasn't fat."
How all this will impact Spears' career, and sales of her new album, has yet to be seen. "I just felt like that performance was make or break for her comeback," says Wade. "Now with last night's performance, she's just kind of put herself back in the same boat ... everybody thinks she's a train wreck."
But the single of "Gimme More," the song she destroyed onstage, is off to a great start in the Top 40, says Sean Ross of Edison Research, which tracks radio play. "A great VMA performance would have probably closed the deal for her, but she's still got until Thanksgiving to do other good performances and to release a strong album with other hits on it," he said.
In any case, it seems it would never be wise to write an obituary of Spears' career.
"With everything Britney, we think this is the last chance," says Min. "The fact is, it never is.
"At least this puts attention back on her as a performer. My sense is she'd rather be judged on that than on the rehab, the drinking and the partying."
MsMofoGone
Blue Crack Addict
And ... here's my answer ??Originally posted by MsMofoGone
So ... what will this 'disappointment' lead to ??
The possibility of further destroying her career ... or will she 'gain' more sympathy and concern from everyone ??
ultravioletluvv
Refugee
Well, it looks like she's still got at least one fan... This video is too funny not to share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
MsMofoGone
Blue Crack Addict
Because she's 'not well' right now ??
Well, neither is this snivling little cry-baby. Listen to her 'slurred speech' ... she must be drunk.
najeena
War Child
I think she was seriously sedated.
U2isthebest
ONE love, blood, life
ultravioletluvv said:
Well, that made me delightfully uncomfortable.
ultravioletluvv
Refugee
Hmm... I thought it was a guy in the video.
U2isthebest
ONE love, blood, life
So...if anyone's interested in what Britney's voice really sounds like when it's not being synthesized by a million machines...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLSNpHdulw
It's not Aretha, but it's not a disaster. It's much more raw than her studio voice. I like it. I've always been a fan of flawed, imperfect voices much more than the standard belters that everyone oohs and ahhs over, save Christina Aguilera, and a few others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiLSNpHdulw
It's not Aretha, but it's not a disaster. It's much more raw than her studio voice. I like it. I've always been a fan of flawed, imperfect voices much more than the standard belters that everyone oohs and ahhs over, save Christina Aguilera, and a few others.
isabella_bp
The Fly
Dang that sucked. She looked kinda scared and nervous and didn't know what to do. Whatever is going on with her, I wish her the best.
U2isthebest said:
Wow. That was pretty bad.
ultravioletluvv
Refugee
U2isthebest said:
Oh boy. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. I think she sounds absolutely horrendous here. But in her defense, i have seen other clips of her singing live (on SNL i think) and it wasn't that bad. But this clip makes me embarasssed for her all over again.
U2isthebest
ONE love, blood, life
ultravioletluvv said:
Really? I always thought she was lip-synching everytime I saw her on SNL.
ultravioletluvv
Refugee
U2isthebest said:
Really? I always thought she was lip-synching everytime I saw her on SNL.
Well, i know there was one time where she did the same song that's in the clip "Everytime" and i'm pretty sure she was live. The faster songs are probably most definitely lip synced.
Bono's shades
Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS
I used to rather enjoy snarking on Britney, but now I'm just sad for her. I have a feeling she got the idea from a very early age that people didn't think she was capable of anything except dancing, lip-syncing and looking sexy. She probably has absolutely no concept that there's anything else worthwhile in life. No wonder she's such a mess.
ultravioletluvv
Refugee
Bono's shades said:
Yeah, i feel the same way. It was fun for a while, but now it's so obvious that the poor girl needs some help. Seems like she's totally lost. But even so, i still think she's responsible for her own life and needs to find a way to pull it together.
MissVelvetDress_75
Blue Crack Addict
Her body looks 100% better than mine and I do not have kids, my excuse for being flabby and out of shape is due to laziness and lack of time.
My argument about her body not looking up to par is that when she spends a lot of time (well from what pictures are posted online) going out and partying until the early morning hours, she forfeits having a toned body by not putting forth the extra time in the gym. As we all know you are not born with a toned body and if you do not keep up with the workouts, your toned body will turned into something else.
When you look at other female performers like for instance Madonna or Gwen Stefani who have had kids and who are rocking kick ass bodies in addition to being be older than Britney sadly it makes her physique look bad. If she chose a better costume, she probably would have had better results with the critics, or maybe not.
Remember when Paula Abdul on the VMAs in 1991 wearing a black leotard and her body was ripped apart by the critics.
?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpQs32z2AGQ.
and just because I love this performance of Madonna and Vogue at the VMAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjOLh2s-o3M
My argument about her body not looking up to par is that when she spends a lot of time (well from what pictures are posted online) going out and partying until the early morning hours, she forfeits having a toned body by not putting forth the extra time in the gym. As we all know you are not born with a toned body and if you do not keep up with the workouts, your toned body will turned into something else.
When you look at other female performers like for instance Madonna or Gwen Stefani who have had kids and who are rocking kick ass bodies in addition to being be older than Britney sadly it makes her physique look bad. If she chose a better costume, she probably would have had better results with the critics, or maybe not.
Remember when Paula Abdul on the VMAs in 1991 wearing a black leotard and her body was ripped apart by the critics.
?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpQs32z2AGQ.
and just because I love this performance of Madonna and Vogue at the VMAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjOLh2s-o3M
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ultravioletluvv
Refugee
MissVelvetDress_75 said:
Remember when Paula Abdul on the VMAs in 1991 wearing a black leotard and her body was ripped apart by the critics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpQs32z2AGQ
Ahhhh! I never thought i'd have to see that ever again! But at least in Paula's case, she was wearing more than a bra and panties. I think Paula was actually "in costume". Britney just wanted to wear as little clothes as possible. She can't help it.
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U2isthebest said:
Really? I always thought she was lip-synching everytime I saw her on SNL.
I always thought that SNL frowned heavily on lip-synced performances....of course Ashley simpsons debacle comes to mind...but I thought I had heard that performers needed to perform live
U2isthebest
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MissVelvetDress_75 said:
and just because I love this performance of Madonna and Vogue at the VMAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjOLh2s-o3M
Now, THAT is a performance. Everyone who "performed" last night should have to watch that. It's one of my favorite Madonna moments. I wish she would have sung live though. It's one of the only songs she always lip-synchs on. Her dance routines for it are usually very complicated. Case in point: the yoga poses "Vogue" from the Re-Invention tour in 04.
MissVelvetDress_75
Blue Crack Addict
yeah, I always wished she did not lip sync during that performance, but that performance was so good that for me it minimizes the lip-syncing factor.
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
Bono's shades said:
yes.
she's been in celebrity boot camp since she was in single digits -- again, blame the parents -- and that's why the girl's done gone crazy.
she's got tons of cash. if i were her, i'd do one of three things:
1. channel all of this and try to make a real record wherei pour my guts out
2. move into semi-retirement, surface every once in a while to do dance-heavy singles aimed at a dance audience and only really get played in gay bars for the kitschy value
3. totally retire, and move to London or NYC or Paris and just raise my kids in peace
pepokiss
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U2MaNaIcWeIdO
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pepokiss said:
She still looks tired and
ish....even if I am watching for the second time. I feel bad for her 
(Sorry
)
ultravioletluvv
Refugee
Not sure if this was mentioned already, but as if her performance wasn't bad enough... afterwards she gave the paparazzi another flash of her vagina.... Here's the sick and twisted link for anyone who cares...
http://www.britney.cl/album/categories.php?cat_id=177
http://www.britney.cl/album/categories.php?cat_id=177
ultravioletluvv said:
I agree, but here's what I can't figure out -- anyone ever see clips of her singing when she was a little girl on those "Before They Were Stars" shows? She actually used to be able to sing when she was 10 (like on Star Search: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUunpave4rM ). What the hell happened? Other than vodka and cheetohs, that is.
