2008 Grammy Thread

[Zoots]

This really has been a pretty decent show compared to the last few years!

 

[U2isthebest]

This really has been a pretty decent show compared to the last few years!

 

[lazarus]

I love how Kanye had already conceded a possible defeat to Amy earlier, and then was beat by someone else.

Do not underestimate the supreme majesty of Joni Mitchell, especially when combined with the legendary talents of Herbie Hancock. This was a refreshing win, because modern jazz goes largely unappreciated by the mainstream.

 

[U2isthebest]

Other than the bullshit that was Album of the Year, this as a whole, is probably the best Grammys I've ever seen.

 

[U2isthebest]

I love how Kanye had already conceded a possible defeat to Amy earlier, and then was beat by someone else.

Do not underestimate the supreme majesty of Joni Mitchell, especially when combined with the legendary talents of Herbie Hancock. This was a refreshing win, because modern jazz goes largely unappreciated by the mainstream.

I realize that Herbie Hancock is talented. However, I think it's completely unfair that an album full of someone else's songs wins an award by the artist doing the covers over original material. Just an opinion.

 

[Zoots]

Who won in that Alternative category with Arcade Fire, Bjork and others???

ETA: Never mind. The answer is on the official website on the winners list!

 

[LemonMelon]

I find it strange that Herbie Hancock was nominated for album of the year without being nominated for pretty much anything else. It's obviously a pat-on-the-back after years of ignoring the guy, rather than a deserved Grammy. As much as I love them, the same thing happened with Steely Dan in 2001.

 

[Slipstream]

Herbie with Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, and Tina Turner guest vocals beats out Kanye?

Love it!!

 

[U2isthebest]

I find it strange that Herbie Hancock was nominated for album of the year without being nominated for pretty much anything else. It's obviously a pat-on-the-back after years of ignoring the guy, rather than a deserved Grammy. As much as I love them, the same thing happened with Steely Dan in 2001.

I hate it when they do that. The same thing happened at the Oscars last year with Martin Scorcese finally winning Best Director...for The Departed. Honestly, it's more of an insult to the artist when they do something like that than it is to the other nominees. It's basically saying, "Sorry we passed on your brilliance earlier, but just in case you're not around much longer here's an award for some subpar work to make us look better."

 

[bono_man2002]

Wow, I go away and actually do some work for a few hours and this thread explodes!

 

[U2isthebest]

http://www.grammy.com/Grammy_Awards/50th_show/list.aspx

That's the link to the complete list of winners!

 

[LemonMelon]

Icky Thump was simply NOT the best alternative album of the year. Not even out of those nominees. It was good, but not great. Neon Bible and Wincing The Night Away were far better.

And Chemical Brothers winning over Sound Of Silver?

Oh, well. At least Winehouse got her due.

 

[Zoots]

Neon Bible was robbed!

 

[U2isthebest]

Neon Bible was robbed!

x infinity....+1

 

[lazarus]

I find it strange that Herbie Hancock was nominated for album of the year without being nominated for pretty much anything else. It's obviously a pat-on-the-back after years of ignoring the guy, rather than a deserved Grammy. As much as I love them, the same thing happened with Steely Dan in 2001.

Steely Dan put out a great album that received great reviews. While not their best album, it was as deserving a nominee and winner as much as anything else there. Did you really expect something as marginal as Kid A, or as divisive as Eminem to win? Becker and Fagen are respected as two of the best songwriters in the business, and have seasoned professionals playing on their albums, engineered to perfection. Their win was not a crime, even if it seemed like a lifetime achievement after their 20 year absence.

As for Hancock, jazz, unlike rock or pop, is hard to get nommed in any crossover categories, and it wouldn't be likely to be up for Song of the Year or Record of the Year. So to say he wasn't nommed for anything else isn't really notable--he also won for Best Contemporary Jazz album, obviously

I hate it when they do that. The same thing happened at the Oscars last year with Martin Scorcese finally winning Best Director...for The Departed. Honestly, it's more of an insult to the artist when they do something like that than it is to the other nominees. It's basically saying, "Sorry we passed on your brilliance earlier, but just in case you're not around much longer here's an award for some subpar work to make us look better."

Just because The Departed wasn't one of Marty's best doesn't mean he didn't deserve the award. It's the same thing as Steely Dan. He still directed his film better than anyone else who was nominated, regardless of the weight of the subject matter. Sure, I would have liked to have seen him win one of the last two times before that, but whatever. Is it a partial make up award? Obviously the voters thought the film was good enough to give it Best Picture and Best Screenplay as well.

Herbie Hancock didn't just cover a bunch of Joni Mitchell songs. He used her lyrics and music as a jumping-off point, and some of those songs have wildly different arrangements. It's more of a collaboration than anything else, and a far more deserving Ablum of the Year winner than Natalie Cole, who won (over Achtung Baby) with an album duetting on previously recorded songs with her dead father. That's a bullshit win, as were Eric Clapton and Tony Bennett's Unplugged albums winning.

 

[U2isthebest]

Steely Dan put out a great album that received great reviews. While not their best album, it was as deserving a nominee and winner as much as anything else there. Did you really expect something as marginal as Kid A, or as divisive as Eminem to win? Becker and Fagen are respected as two of the best songwriters in the business, and have seasoned professionals playing on their albums, engineered to perfection. Their win was not a crime, even if it seemed like a lifetime achievement after their 20 year absence.

As for Hancock, jazz, unlike rock or pop, is hard to get nommed in any crossover categories, and it wouldn't be likely to be up for Song of the Year or Record of the Year. So to say he wasn't nommed for anything else isn't really notable--he also won for Best Contemporary Jazz album, obviously




Just because The Departed wasn't one of Marty's best doesn't mean he didn't deserve the award. It's the same thing as Steely Dan. He still directed his film better than anyone else who was nominated, regardless of the weight of the subject matter. Sure, I would have liked to have seen him win one of the last two times before that, but whatever. Is it a partial make up award? Obviously the voters thought the film was good enough to give it Best Picture and Best Screenplay as well.

Herbie Hancock didn't just cover a bunch of Joni Mitchell songs. He used her lyrics and music as a jumping-off point, and some of those songs have wildly different arrangements. It's more of a collaboration than anything else, and a far more deserving Ablum of the Year winner than Natalie Cole, who won (over Achtung Baby) with an album duetting on previously recorded songs with her dead father. That's a bullshit win, as were Eric Clapton and Tony Bennett's Unplugged albums winning.

I guess the only problem for a lot of people, in this instance, is that they feel that better material was nominated, as I do with Amy Winehouse.

And did you have to bring up that "Achtung Baby" incident? That's so hard to think about.

 

[LemonMelon]

Steely Dan put out a great album that received great reviews. While not their best album, it was as deserving a nominee and winner as much as anything else there. Did you really expect something as marginal as Kid A, or as divisive as Eminem to win? Becker and Fagen are respected as two of the best songwriters in the business, and have seasoned professionals playing on their albums, engineered to perfection. Their win was not a crime, even if it seemed like a lifetime achievement after their 20 year absence.

The noms were certainly debatable, but of those, I would agree that SD deserved the Grammy. However, I believe that there were several albums that were better in 1999 and 2000, so the nominee choices were poor. That, of course, shouldn't take away the weight of their achievement.

And, for the record, I fully expect In Rainbows to have a shot at album of the year, not alternative, when it becomes eligible.

 

[bono_man2002]

http://www.grammy.com/Grammy_Awards/50th_show/list.aspx

That's the link to the complete list of winners!

Cheers!

Icky Thump! ohh and Bruuuuuuuce

 

[Pop Artist]

I just was looking at the winner's list and Obama beat Clinton once again.










(Best Spoken Word Album, and it was Bill he beat, as well as Jimmy Carter... )

 

[lazarus]

I guess the only problem for a lot of people, in this instance, is that they feel that better material was nominated, as I do with Amy Winehouse.

And did you have to bring up that "Achtung Baby" incident? That's so hard to think about.

Have you even heard The Joni Letters? Are you familiar with Hancock's work, or Joni's?

And the early 90's grammys were BRUTAL. First R.E.M.'s Out of Time lost to The Bodyguard soundtrack, then U2 lost to Natalie Cole, and then R.E.M. lost AGAIN for Automatic For the People to Eric Clapton. It was awful. The Grammys redeemed themselves by giving Best Alternative album to U2 for Zooropa, which some saw as bullshit, but it was a hell of a lot more "alternative" than Siamese Dream.

 

[lazarus]

The noms were certainly debatable, but of those, I would agree that SD deserved the Grammy. However, I believe that there were several albums that were better in 1999 and 2000, so the nominee choices were poor. That, of course, shouldn't take away the weight of their achievement.

And, for the record, I fully expect In Rainbows to have a shot at album of the year, not alternative, when it becomes eligible.

Well I won't argue with that about the nominations. The best albums of the year rarely get nominated for the big ones (Dylan and OutKast being recent exceptions), or are buried in the Alternative album category, where they don't win there either. You have to give them credit for at least nominating Kid A for Album of the Year. That was impressive.

And yes, I hope In Rainbows contends next year, though their anti-record label stance will probably lose a lot of the voting body's support.

 

[U2isthebest]

Have you even heard The Joni Letters? Are you familiar with Hancock's work, or Joni's?

And the early 90's grammys were BRUTAL. First R.E.M.'s Out of Time lost to The Bodyguard soundtrack, then U2 lost to Natalie Cole, and then R.E.M. lost AGAIN for Automatic For the People to Eric Clapton. It was awful. The Grammys redeemed themselves by giving Best Alternative album to U2 for Zooropa, which some saw as bullshit, but it was a hell of a lot more "alternative" than Siamese Dream.

Joni, yes. I'm not a fan per se, but I've heard some of her work, and she's a brilliant artist. As for Herbie Hancock, I know nothing other the fact that he's a talented guy. I just think as LemonMelon, said, it was more of pity award since they'd ignored him before, rather than really giving it to an artist who deserved it.

Oh my word, The Bodyguard soundtrack? Are you kidding me?

 

[lazarus]

But neither of you have actually heard the album, so you really have no position from which to be judging its merit or worthiness of the award. Right?

Many respected artists are overlooked and never win. If they voted for it, they probably liked it a lot. Having Joni as part of this didn't hurt either, the voting body of NARAS loves her.

 

[LemonMelon]

But neither of you have actually heard the album, so you really have no position from which to be judging its merit or worthiness of the award. Right?

Yes, sir. I just said what I said because the same thing has happened to so many other artists in a similar situation.

 

[Saracene]

Yay for Amy Winehouse, White Stripes, Robert Plant and Alison Krauss... and Keith Urban, on a patriotic note,

 

[Thora]

It was a good show tonight, for the most part.

Absolutely LOVED seeing Amy perform, and her reaction at winning record of the year was incredible. She totally deserved it!

 

[Lila64]

The performances were entertaining (for the most part). And anti-climatic at the end there. Then again, I haven't heard the 5 nominated albums (just select songs). Seems like album of the year was basically one from each category in a sense: Gill=country, Kanye West, Amy Winehouse, Foo Fighters and Hancock. Don't like how that worked out. I think Bruce should have been included there, but that's just me. And probably one of the few albums I heard last year (and own)

 

[U2girl]

And U2 definitely deserved Album of the Year over him and any other nominee 2 years ago.

I was watching those Grammys and I thought Kanye would win Album of the year over U2. I guess it was the apologetic "sorry about Achtung Baby (ATYCLB)/you're a legend now so here you go" Grammy. On the other hand, few artists get THE Grammy for their universally accepted best work so after JT, even if they never won anything else I wouldn't mind. This was great too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_kwGrJjV9k&feature=related

As for Amy, more rehab and less hype, please.

 

[discothequeLP]

first time i ever saw or heard amy winehouse and she's drinking me crazy

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

And probably one of the few albums I heard last year (and own)

Same here. I don't think any of Bruce's wins were televised or that he was even there, never saw him.

I channel surfed and watched it on and off, I was touched by Kanye's song for his Mom and I enjoyed Amy Winehouse. I stopped watching at 11 and went to bed.

It was worth watching for me just for Jungle Love, that was a random combo with Rihanna. Sometimes I think the Grammy people just throw random names in a hat and put them together.