(12-09-2002) Looks like u2 may be calling it quits soon, according to the Mirror

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looks like u2 may be calling it quits soon, according to the Mirror

Irish Sunday Mirror: U2 Larry's Shock Statement on Band's Future


December 8, 2002
From The Irish Sunday Mirror:

We'd Rather Split Up Now and Finish on a High Than Continue 'til We're Boring

U2 Larry's Shock Statement on Band's Future

By Eddie Fitzmaurice

Irish rockers U2 have secretly talked about SPLITTING UP. But don't worry ... it'll only be if they ever
become unpopular.

Drummer Larry Mullen said the band was determined to avoid the fate of other big-name acts who
soldier on into old age for a dwindling army of fans.

"None of us wants to burn out," Mullen said. "We don't want to get shot down for becoming old and
boring. We'd rather go into retirement finishing on a high and knowing we've left a special legacy."

His comments come amid an unprecedented run of success for the band, whose Elevation world tour
helped catapult it to the top of rock's rich list last year.

Although their new U2: Best of 1990-2000 album failed to secure the expected No1 spot when it
entered the American Billboard charts at No3, the success story shows little sign of slowing down.

The band was the subject of a one-hour special on America's CBS network last week, while frontman
Bono was watched by an audience of more than 75 million when he appeared on CNN's Larry King
Show on Monday.

Bono later joined actress Ashley Judd and four-times Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong on
a seven-day tour of the American mid-west aimed at raising awareness of the Aids epidemic in Africa.

The band has also contributed a new song, The Hands That Built America, to the soundtrack of the
much-awaited Irish mob movie, Gangs of New York, and will attend its US premiere just before
Christmas.

U2 guitarist The Edge said it was essential the band maintained its drive and commitment to ensure
a third decade of success.

"A band is like a street gang," he said.

"It makes sense when you're 20 and gets harder as you get older.

"It means so much that we're still very close friends. There is a huge amount of support and leeway.
There's honest criticism, which keeps pushing us forward. But there's very little need to watch your
back."

This is not the first time that and members have cast doubt on the band's long -term future.

Speaking earlier this year, Larry admitted Bono's political crusades had an unsettling effect on the
band.

He told America's 60 Minutes programme that Bono's absence was felt whenever he took a break
to campaign on issues such as Third World debt.

"It does interfere with the band," Larry said.

"It's a four-legged table, and with one leg missing, even for short periods of time, the thing becomes
a little unstable."

He said U2 strived to stay at the cutting edge of music and never stopped looking over their shoulder
for the challenge posed by new stars.

One such star - Britney Spears - provided the inspiration for the hit single Beautiful Day from U2's
mega-selling All That You Can't Leave Behind album, he claimed.

"We took the attitude that some of those new people were making very good pop music. Do we
fight it or compete with it? Beautiful Day was us competing with Britney Spears.

"OK, she won, but we don't see it as a threat. It's a challenge. We don't want to be part of some rock
elite."

A recent Time Magazine profile of Bono claimed U2 came close to splitting in 1997 after the release
of the Pop album - the first flop of the band's career.

The Edge told the magazine they were forced to sit down and ask if there was a compelling reason
to continue being in a band.

"We asked ourselves why are you still around," The Edge said.

"You know, you made some great records. But why are you still making records?

"Part of what we decided is that we had a sense or belief that we can still make the album of the year."

U2 played to over two million people during last year's Elevation world tour, raking in an estimated
EUR400 million.

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what has happened to u2? if we didnt have proof before that their primary goal is popularity before, then we definately have it now.

i mean dont get me wrong, im all for bands knowing when to call it quits.

but citing britney spears as the inspiration? who gives a shit about her? why are they so possessed by such crap? just make good music and if its meant to be popular, it will be!
 
Re: looks like u2 may be calling it quits soon, according to the Mirror

Zoomerang96 said:
just make good music and if its meant to be popular, it will be!

Zoomerang, to a large extent I agree. Remember, though, half of what the band says is hot air and "bollucks". 'Beautiful Day' sounds nothing like any of Britney's material, so we needn't be worried. I simply think U2 want to be heard by as many as possible, including everyone who listens to the pop charts.

There's two ways of looking at this: 1) that the music will suffer because of U2's need to please a certain audience or 2), that U2 has always done this to some extent, and if you look at Achtung Baby, it's one of the most commercially driven albums of all time: U2 were listening to Marky Mark, and to much of the contemporary scene at the time, believe it or not, and implemented those dance/rock grooves into that record. 'Mysterious Ways' is probably the biggest flat out pop song the band has ever recorded - perhaps even the most commercial, including 'Sweetest Thing'. So, did the music on Achtung suffer? I don't think so, but as far as the moral question of the need to be popular, that's something entirely different - and not up to someone like me to decide.
 
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ya, i see what your saying, and i agree with most of it.

as for beautiful day, i definately dont think it sounds like britney, lol. but the fact they feel they need to compete against her is rediculous.

make music for themselves!
 
Crazy shit man! I tremble at the though that they would pack it in.

U2 won't be remembered so much by the music they made but more by who they were and what they stood for. When these 4 guys got together in Larry's kitchen they did all of us a favour.

What U2 means to everyone is different and yet common. I call them unifiers in an impossible world. Really amazing to me.

I hope they don't quit because their ideas of loyalty, friendship, love and ambition will be sadly missed by our world.

Thinking hard now I realize after so many years I never bought an album, what I really bought was an idea of how things are and should be, no wonder they are the greatest band ever.
 
Zoomerang: I must admit, the need for U2 to compete with the likes of Britney does rub me the wrong way, too. Back when U2 released albums that came from a totally other dimension (specifically 1984 and 1987), you could never even imagine them wanting to compete with the pop charts. Even Bono said before the release of JT, that it would probably sell about 3 copies. It sounded completely alien to the bastardization that was pop-culture, yet completely in tune with the natural order of how things "should" have been. It was nice to see U2 set the bar, to see them balance the compass of the musical map. I hope they decide to leap back in again.

rymx: Nice post. The thing I love about U2 is they keep reminding me why I believe that the human heart, in essense, is designed to reach toward "goodness". U2 has allowed me to keep that faith, in some funny way.
 
Honestly here I think that if the band knew that they couldn't make anymore meaningful music they should just leave while on a high. If they start making really crappy music (erm, let's just say that ES and Hands are not in rotation in my CD player anymore), then people are going to lose respect for what they've accomplished in the past.
A good example is Aerosmith, they made some pretty good music in the 70's and 80's. However, today all you hear from them is the sappy, poppy, ballads that the 12 year old britney fans would like. It looks more like they are making music to please an audience, than to please themselves.
 
Michael Griffiths said:
Zoomerang: I must admit, the need for U2 to compete with the likes of Britney does rub me the wrong way, too. Back when U2 released albums that came from a totally other dimension (specifically 1984 and 1987), you could never even imagine them wanting to compete with the pop charts. Even Bono said before the release of JT, that it would probably sell about 3 copies.

"I want to replace the bands in the charts now, because I think we're better." Bono in 1979, from "U2 Live" book.

Methinks Bono was just playing coy when making predictions about JT sales, :)

Anyway, the article looks like a usual dodgy cut-and-paste job this particular newspaper seems to specialise in. Like the time they pulled a year-old quote from Larry to make it look like he was annoyed with Bono's outside political work.
 
Two crap albums and you're out ...

Bono said it in Larry King. So expect at least two more studio albums from U2. Then they'll call it a day if they're not satisfied.

Besides, their future will always look more bleak. No matter what they do in the future, they'll be remembered more for the past. No matter what unwritten song they have up their sleeves, it will never be remembered more than Sunday Bloody Sunday or Pride long after U2 are done.

Sure more recent songs like Elevation, Walk On, Please, Staring At The Sun are ear-candy and made all the listeners happy. But they'll never stick in the memory bank as essential U2 as Pride, New Year's Day, WOWY, One, or Sunday Bloody Sunday.

U2 have nowhere to go but down. The only thing is that they are so high up, even on the way down, they are still higher than everyone else.

Cheers,

J
The King Of POP
 
They probably feel they dont fit into today's music......due to so many trance songs by the likes of Scooter and Jakatta (etc) and manufactured pop bands rather than what was round when they first came out, like Abba, Sting, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie, Beatles, etc..............back then, all those years ago, there was more originality in the charts..................

Nowadays its all techno...........and while Pop I would say was made to 'fit in' I truly think U2 dont feel they fit in anymore, regardless of all their fans, u and I both know its a dirty war in the Charts these days, and the Chart positions and Album Chart positions they land in is vital to how their music is viewed and how popular they still are...........


todays kids really dont wanna know U2, they wanna know Justin Timerlake, and S Club........

so, if U2 turned round tomorrow and called it a day, yes, I would be very sad, but I wouldnt diss them just cause they did it.......theyve been around a long time, and in that time have achieved an amazing amount, so they wont drop out feeling they achieved nothing...........................I would miss them of course, but I still have all their stuff..............also, they family men now, and perhaps to retire into being with family more, is the right thing.............I have no probs with it, if they do this at some point..........

theyve had to change their music tone to blend with todays.............ie Elevation; Stuck in...................the kids enjoyed that.....

although, now when I tink about it............U2 are liked by many young ones...............but U2 want to follow their instinct, go head boys........................







(yea, bet I get slapped for sayin this!)



I think I know what Im trying to say, but tellin it is another thing....
 
Re: Two crap albums and you're out ...

jick said:
Sure more recent songs like Elevation, Walk On, Please, Staring At The Sun are ear-candy and made all the listeners happy. But they'll never stick in the memory bank as essential U2 as Pride, New Year's Day, WOWY, One, or Sunday Bloody Sunday.

I'd argue that "Beautiful Day" will be remembered as a later-day U2 classic.
 
That article is just old stuff re-hashed and typical of the mirror - working class newspaper in Ireland that has a story about U2 twice a week even though there is no fresh news to write about.......
 
I read this article on @U2 last night...I must admit that the headline scared the crap out of me, but honestly I don't think we have to worry too much in the near future. I don't know that U2 will ever officially "break up." They may record less or something, as Larry said on Legends, but U2 will never end...

And if there DOES come a day when they stop making music, we still have 20+ years of great tunes to enjoy.

The future is not as bleak as this article would have us think.
 
Typical cut and paste job, the quotes from Larry about Bono's political work were from 2000. We'll get 2-3 more records from the boys and then probably appearances here and there bc they need enough material for the 3rd Best Of in early 2010-2011.
 
I agree with what alot of you guys have been saying. Personally, I'm not worried about U2 calling it quits any time soon. As Bono said on the Larry King show, "two crap albums and we're out". That hasn't happened. The stupid newspapers can write all of the alarmist stuff in the world and I won't believe it.
 
I think they will continue to be great musicians until the day they die. It's more a matter of fitting in with what is considered to be "cool" and "acceptable" I have read many posts here at Interference where other older musicains have been sharply criticised for not retiring early enough. I think Larry is more referring to that...they don't wish to be ridiculed. Their music shall endure....but gravity and the media and young people are a powerful forces.
I think Larry should join our local HOG Club ( Harley Owner's Group) or Ulysses..their motto is "grow old disgraceully")
His kids are hitting a difficult age too I'd imagine. I just said yesterday how tough the past few years were for me, guiding your children thru the early teens. My lot are all matured now,and it's so satisfying, but it was shaky and damn hard work for a while there. Very emotionally draining...as much as you love them.U2 is made up of very fine honourable men imho. I hope they put their family first in all things.
I'm sure U2 will be recording and releasing and perfoming publicly for many years to come. It's just something Mr Mullen is going through at ther moment...it took me 18 months to get over my 40th birthday!!!

and besides...they have a few dates in Oz to play yet...:yes:

:larry: :adam: :bono: :edge: :heart: :combust:
 
:shrug:

I think ATYCLB and the Elevation tour were a kind of "both-ways" thing: they could stop now or they could go on.

I agree, U2 has always been ambitious to compete with others in the sense of being heard as much as possible, while at the same time being relevant - and personally I think if pop and R&B acts get to be on TRL or wherever, I say give a chance to rock bands as well. And I thought it was nice they didn't take things for granted with the album, but decided to promote it.

I dunno: I would have no problem if U2 decided to still be around when they're, say, 60 or something, and keep touring - and I wouldn't mind if they quit since they achieved so much already.

As for "2 crap albums and you're out" - well, some fans argue that POP was a flop, so....?
 
Saracene said:
"I want to replace the bands in the charts now, because I think we're better." Bono in 1979, from "U2 Live" book.
I remember this quote, but the difference between the attitude then and now is quite subtle, but has huge implications, and thus is very different: back then they wanted to replace the bands on the pop charts - which was much more of a punk ideal - where as now they want to compete *with* the pop charts, basically on a parallel standard. As Larry supposedly said in the article, they don't want to "fight" Britney, they want to "compete with" Britney. That's a huge difference to what they said in 1979.
 
sorry, i posted that in the wrong forum.

if they come out with something unimaginative again, im all for them quitting. one thing that has never been mentioned before atyclb is that they werent creative. artists should never be castigated with such an insult like that.

so, heres to hoping they pull up their socks and knock us out with something good.

and bono, do us all a favour and shut up. dont talk about the album until its done ok? you always says its gonna be "about punk rock...see punk rock is this idea that you can change the world..." blah blah blah. just give us the new album already!

its been over 2 years, and theres still no real word on it. supposedly they were working on it as soon as the tour was finished, but thats obviously bullshit. they take far too long recording if that is truly the case.
 
zoocarolina said:
Typical cut and paste job, the quotes from Larry about Bono's political work were from 2000. We'll get 2-3 more records from the boys and then probably appearances here and there bc they need enough material for the 3rd Best Of in early 2010-2011.

That makes sense (*is wondering why a magazine would take old quotes and post them in an article to make it seem like the band just said this recently?).

Rymx, that was a nice post. I know what you mean. Everyone here knows what you mean.

The headline of this thread concerned me, too, I'll admit (they can't break up yet-I have yet to see them live ;)).

But seeing some of the replies in this thread...it's reassuring. :).

Angela
 
Zoomerang, they did actually start jamming in a wearhouse in France after the tour (that's well documented), and have recorded a few songs along the way, which has also been documented. Atu2.com has a new album section: http://www.atu2.com/newalbum/ Here, you'll find a detailed listing of all the possible new songs. Not including the new DATA song, 'American Prayer, there are 7 songs already in the bag. That's at least half an album!

As far as taking a while to record, I wouldn't worry that it's because the band isn't inspired (or anything like that), because it's really the case of Bono being so busy with all that he's involved with these days. Also, U2 just spent the last couple of months working on remixing The Best Of album, while working on some new material. This naturally would lengthen the process. Apparently, the plan is to do some serious recording come January, which would make sense. U2 is a very busy band, in that they tend to do a whole bunch of things at once, rather than focus in on one thing at a time. At this stage of their career, they are more into balancing everything - so what happens is everything becomes a work "in progress" rather than a project with a deadline. That's how they've worked the last few years anyway.
 
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Michael Griffiths said:

I remember this quote, but the difference between the attitude then and now is quite subtle, but has huge implications, and thus is very different: back then they wanted to replace the bands on the pop charts - which was much more of a punk ideal - where as now they want to compete *with* the pop charts, basically on a parallel standard. As Larry supposedly said in the article, they don't want to "fight" Britney, they want to "compete with" Britney. That's a huge difference to what they said in 1979.

I can see your point. I guess that their attitude to pop music changed with time. Maybe they just realised that pop music is here to stay and it makes more sense to try and co-exist with it.

I also think that they probably got a lot more appreciation for pop music now, as well. I remember watching an ABBA special where Bono said that back when he was young and full of his punky righteousness ABBA was one of the bands he wanted to put under the axe, and it was only with time that he came to appreciate their pop genius. He also likes Bee Gees, which is something that some people would rather die than admit to, and he was full of praise for Destiny's Child.
 
Saracene said:


I can see your point. I guess that their attitude to pop music changed with time. Maybe they just realised that pop music is here to stay and it makes more sense to try and co-exist with it.

I also think that they probably got a lot more appreciation for pop music now, as well. I remember watching an ABBA special where Bono said that back when he was young and full of his punky righteousness ABBA was one of the bands he wanted to put under the axe, and it was only with time that he came to appreciate their pop genius. He also likes Bee Gees, which is something that some people would rather die than admit to, and he was full of praise for Destiny's Child.

:eyebrow:

I don't mind Destiny's Child, I think they've got some fun songs.

But ABBA and the Bee Gees (actually, the Bee Gees had good music in the 60's (such as "Massachusetts"-I like that song), but I despise their disco stuff, same with ABBA)?

Eh.

To each their own. I don't get the appeal of those two groups (I'm just not a disco fan), but...*shrugs*. Whatever.

Angela
 
I actually love ABBA. I think it's because I was brought up on it (my Mum was a huge fan), and it reminds me of my childhood. One of my favourite songs is 'Nina Pretty Ballarina'. No joke!
 
About the article, it's just another bunch of tabloid crap...as zoocarolina said, just "cut and paste" from a few articles the last couple of years, I wouldn't put much faith in the Mirror at all...

About the ongoing discussion regarding the future of U2 in a musical sense, I think it's much more important to be relevant than for them to have a certain "sound"...if they can still touch people and make a difference through their music, who cares what they sound like? If they still do those things, the music obviously is good. The misconception is that U2 has just started to follow pop music, when they've been doing that for years. Achtung Baby was built around, and mainly influenced by the newer dance rhythms and sounds found in dance clubs, and POP took that to a new level with a new "techno" feel- both albums were tailored to popular sounds of the time. My point is, relevance is key...it shows up in great music no matter what style, and that is what continues to draw people in. U2 has continued to be relevant under the guise of many different sounds, I see no problem if they continue to write with the purpose of making great music for the people.
 
I say we all stop trying to annalyze the situation and stop thinking about u2 breaking up cause it is giving me a head ach.

as long as they believe that they can still be better and make better albums, they will be around.

I agree also that these are just jumbled together quotes from the past. so I really don't think there is anything to worry about.
 
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