(02-04-2004) Bono Puts Janet?s Boob behind Him... - ShowBiz Ireland *

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sue4u2 said:
Arun V, I don't think Bono wanted to talk about Africa. They wanted to perform a duet, you know a song. Why the power's that be didn't feel that was entertainment is beyone me. (lets not even start with what everyone feel's about the duet) Anyway, they found out it's not nice to turn down Bono :wink: (see what happens when someone tells him no :bono:)

http://forum.interference.com/t86848.html


he at least wanted to mention it or have some mention of it.

I understand he was going to do a song. But can't the NFL just say that the 15 minutes is for PURE entertainment.
 
theblazer said:
HAHA The world we live in is weird, where Bono has become the civilized of all celebrieties. The Edge must shake his head.

Yes, I can see Mr Edge throwing up in a bucket over that :barf: but we might get another album out of it maybe!
 
Arun V said:


http://forum.interference.com/t86848.html


he at least wanted to mention it or have some mention of it.

I understand he was going to do a song. But can't the NFL just say that the 15 minutes is for PURE entertainment.
And pure entertainment is exactly what they got.

"There are people who say...don't mix art and politics, sport and politics...or whatever...but I think that's sort of bullshit."

- Adam Clayton, from Rattle & Hum
 
Michael Griffiths said:

And pure entertainment is exactly what they got.

"There are people who say...don't mix art and politics, sport and politics...or whatever...but I think that's sort of bullshit."

- Adam Clayton, from Rattle & Hum



"And there are people who think a rockstars opinion is the end all be all of everything...or whatever...but I think that's sort of bullshit"

- Arun V from this thread.


if that breast hadn't been exposed...this wouldn't even be an issue.

People can spin it anyway they want, just because the show was a debacle doesn't mean the reasoning behind the decision was bad.
 
Arun V said:




"And there are people who think a rockstars opinion is the end all be all of everything...or whatever...but I think that's sort of bullshit"

- Arun V from this thread.
So what if he's a rock star? He could be the Queen of England, but that still wouldn't change the fact that it wasn't the messenger that got shot down, but the message. It wasn't as though Bono was going to deliver some huge speech; he was just going to sing a song with a mention of its intent. This is arguably the most important issue of the 21st Century, and as has been noted in this thread, many Americans would agree. So this isn't simply a "rockstars opinion", as you say. This is reality. If you disagree with the cause, you would probably be in the minority, which is all well and good, but in stark contrast with the reality of the situation both in context of public opinion of the cause as well as the cause itself.

As for Janet's breast being exposed, that's really a side issue. If anything, it only provoked some thought on the main concern. I still can't believe there's an investigation into the incident. Do poeple reallly care this much? It's over. It's just a breast, for goodness sakes. It was a silly stunt, but it's just a body part. Over 50% of the population has them. We shouldn't be ashamed of breasts. As I've said, there are far more important issues to concern ourselves with.
 
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Who the hell gave anyone the right to decide on my behalf or anyone elses what entertainment is?

If Jackson never exposed her tit do you think the entertainment would have been any better. It was by far the worst half-time EVER. From none of the artists actually singing to Nelly practically masturbating. It was pure shit.

I find politics entertaining, not shitty wannabe popstars that dont even sing!
 
Michael Griffiths said:

So what if he's a rock star? He could be the Queen of England, but that still wouldn't change the fact that it wasn't the messenger that got shot down, but the message. It wasn't as though Bono was going to deliver some huge speech; he was just going to sing a song with a mention of its intent. This is arguably the most important issue of the 21st Century, and as has been noted in this thread, many Americans would agree. So this isn't simply a "rockstars opinion", as you say. This is reality. If you disagree with the cause, you would probably be in the minority, which is all well and good, but in stark contrast with the reality of the situation both in context of public opinion of the cause as well as the cause itself.

As for Janet's breast being exposed, that's really a side issue. If anything, it only provoked some thought on the main concern. I still can't believe there's an investigation into the incident. Do poeple reallly care this much? It's over. It's just a breast, for goodness sakes. It was a silly stunt, but it's just a body part. Over 50% of the population has them. We shouldn't be ashamed of breasts. As I've said, there are far more important issues to concern ourselves with.



My issue here is some ppl seem to think that bono has somehow been denied an audience for this issue. HE's been on CNN, quite frequently, NBC, CBS, I'm sure ABC at some point, Oprah, (which has a HUGE viewership), MTV, Time magazine (the cover mind you), Newsweek, Charlie Rose and I'm sure I'm missing some.


If your making the argument that the america is somehow trying to deny bono an audience....quite frankly..it's not a very strong point.


So if you allow Aids to be an issue this year...will people make presidential endorsments at superbowls? will ppl lobby for free health care? Will ppl lobby for welfare reform?


The NFL has the right, to essentially determine the content of their show. Maybe they just dont' want to see their halftime show be a springboard for political statements in the future. And you said he wasn't going to deliver a speech...I understand this, BUT, the SINGLE thing this halftime show has taught us..is that it doens't take much to stir controversy.

The NFL isn't a political entity. It's a for profit corporation. Maybe they just wanted to stay out of anything that seemed political.


Are you saying that remaining neutral is in fact wrong? Fine he wants to sing a song...but still it doesn't change the fact that he was somehow going to convey a message that maybe the NFL just didn't want to be affiliated with.


I don't think people really understand that the NFL actually does a lot of humanitarian work and I do believe that NFL players are going on a trip to africa later this year. Maybe the NFL wants to let players do the talking rather than the Halftime show



the Bottom line is it's unfair to characterize the ENTIRE US for the actions of a limited number of corporate entities. There are ppl that pay upwards of 1k for tickets to the superbowl, maybe the NFL wants to keep them happy.


I don't think it was smart for the NFL to do what they did...but I understand why. The last thing I'm going to say here is, you can't rely on the NFL to be some sort of conscience for america, and yo certainly can't judge the entire nation for it.
 
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i guess everybody knows that the idea of "Zooropa" came from the original "Zoo-America"...a concept to describe the american society of the '80s
 
An opinion has been expressed which goes like this - maybe our LV was actually spared the embarrassment of trying to get across a meaningful message to a crowd of beer-drinking, chicken-wing eating NFL fans, who were really only interested in getting the rest of the game under way in any case...

The NFL or the US as a whole shouldn't take flak for this boob. Hopefully it's actually proved a wake-up call for folks - far too much skin being used as a substitute for lack of talent in order to sell music. Stop blaming the internet and p2p programs, and look at the shite on the retail shelves!:madspit:

When I go to a football game, I go for the feeling of exhileration (and sometimes dissapointment) as a huge mass of humanity finally directs energy to the same place. :hyper:
 
Arun V said:
The NFL has the right, to essentially determine the content of their show. Maybe they just dont' want to see their halftime show be a springboard for political statements in the future. And you said he wasn't going to deliver a speech...I understand this, BUT, the SINGLE thing this halftime show has taught us..is that it doens't take much to stir controversy.

This is f'kin brilliant.

You know, I could care less about Janet Jackson's tit. And my thoughts on the NFL choosing someone other than Bono? Couldn't care less. Few things interest me less than professional American football. And yes, I am an American male between the ages of 18 and 35.

My real issue with this is the furor that has resulted (worldwide, apparently.) Is a split-second of nipple on T.V. going to truly ruin anyone's life? God, I hope not. Wouldn't be much of a life.

For all of our "crass commercialism" and "moral bankruptcy," America is (and always has been) a very prudish society. It's hypocricy of the highest order, to be sure... I think most Americans are just afraid to want what they really want.
 
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Johnny_Mo said:
i only blame the US for the war, not boobs

And I blame the U.N. for sitting on their collective asses for twelve years while Saddam Hussein broke every single one of the resolutions the international community imposed after the Gulf War in 1991.

G.W.'s reasons for going to war were absolute bullshit. But the U.N. had the responsibility for enforcing their own resolutions and proved to be either ineffective at or completely unwilling to do so.
 
It is how money and power beat the average guy. The NFL is about money money money. I am an American but I have spent enough time in Europe to see the world differently. So Bono stands for the little guy. Thies Irish-American will stand with him because after all you never walk alone.
 
tryon said:


This is f'kin brilliant.

You know, I could care less about Janet Jackson's tit. And my thoughts on the NFL choosing someone other than Bono? Couldn't care less. Few things interest me less than professional American football. And yes, I am an American male between the ages of 18 and 35.

My real issue with this is the furor that has resulted (worldwide, apparently.) Is a split-second of nipple on T.V. going to truly ruin anyone's life? God, I hope not. Wouldn't be much of a life.

For all of our "crass commercialism" and "moral bankruptcy," America is (and always has been) a very prudish society. It's hypocricy of the highest order, to be sure... I think most Americans are just afraid to want what they really want.
Very well put. :up:
 
Arun V said:




My issue here is some ppl seem to think that bono has somehow been denied an audience for this issue. HE's been on CNN, quite frequently, NBC, CBS, I'm sure ABC at some point, Oprah, (which has a HUGE viewership), MTV, Time magazine (the cover mind you), Newsweek, Charlie Rose and I'm sure I'm missing some.


If your making the argument that the america is somehow trying to deny bono an audience....quite frankly..it's not a very strong point.


So if you allow Aids to be an issue this year...will people make presidential endorsments at superbowls? will ppl lobby for free health care? Will ppl lobby for welfare reform?


The NFL has the right, to essentially determine the content of their show. Maybe they just dont' want to see their halftime show be a springboard for political statements in the future. And you said he wasn't going to deliver a speech...I understand this, BUT, the SINGLE thing this halftime show has taught us..is that it doens't take much to stir controversy.

The NFL isn't a political entity. It's a for profit corporation. Maybe they just wanted to stay out of anything that seemed political.


Are you saying that remaining neutral is in fact wrong? Fine he wants to sing a song...but still it doesn't change the fact that he was somehow going to convey a message that maybe the NFL just didn't want to be affiliated with.


I don't think people really understand that the NFL actually does a lot of humanitarian work and I do believe that NFL players are going on a trip to africa later this year. Maybe the NFL wants to let players do the talking rather than the Halftime show



the Bottom line is it's unfair to characterize the ENTIRE US for the actions of a limited number of corporate entities. There are ppl that pay upwards of 1k for tickets to the superbowl, maybe the NFL wants to keep them happy.


I don't think it was smart for the NFL to do what they did...but I understand why. The last thing I'm going to say here is, you can't rely on the NFL to be some sort of conscience for america, and yo certainly can't judge the entire nation for it.
Wow, you've opened a huge can of worms here, one that could propell a master's thesis if I were inclined...but I'll try to keep it short....

I agree, in principle, with what you are saying. The NFL has the right to choose how to run their business, and has the right to choose who they want to perform. I suppose I'm thinking more big picture here. I think Corporate America has most of the power in the US at the moment, and thus, it is them that could produce the most change in the world - or at least, have the power to affect the most people toward that end. It doesn't bother me they didn't choose Bono to sing. I just think it would have been such a great opportunity for an entity that belongs to such a great cog in the American machine to help bring the only thing to the biggest emergency in the world right now that could, ultimately, make any real and lasting difference - and that is nation wide recognition due to a huge audience.

I understand your point of the NFL not wanting to get into politics, but I don't really view this has a political issue in the sense of "playing politics", which is exactly what people often do with the political issues you mentioned. I don't think this can be compared to issues like Health Care and especially not presidential endorsements. This is more of a real crisis where known, astronimical numbers of people are being denied the right to life, itself, everyday while the rest of us, basically, just let it happen. I think corporate America could really take a hold of and show some leadership with this emergency.

As for "America", rather than the NFL denying Bono, that wasn't my point at all. However, if much of the control of America is held in the hands of Corporate America, we have to ask the question if this current relationship between corporation and individual is the best we can do for facilitating the things we really want. Or perhaps corporate America is simply the manifestation of the individual's modus operandi to life? I would like to think not.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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Michael Griffiths said:

However, if much of the control of America is held in the hands of Corporate America, we have to ask the question if this current relationship between corporation and individual is the best we can do for facilitating the things we really want. Or perhaps corporate America is simply the manifestation of the individual's modus operandi to life? I would like to think not.

Just my 2 cents.

Love your work.

This has the germ of another thread I'm thinking of starting in another forum - would you mind if I quoted you?
 
Belgarath said:


Love your work.

This has the germ of another thread I'm thinking of starting in another forum - would you mind if I quoted you?
Hey, no problem! And thanks for the kind words. :)

Could you post the link to the other thread if and when you start it?
 
It's scary how much I find myself agreeing with Bono on so many things, considering I have my own set of independent beliefs...

"Music and politics shouldn't be enemies, especially in Ireland; surely that's a sign of an evolved society where there's discussion between culture and government?"

-- Bono, 2001
 
Michael Griffiths said:
Hey, no problem! And thanks for the kind words. :)

Could you post the link to the other thread if and when you start it?

Thanks :)

I'd post teh link but I haven't made enough posts yet to do so. You can visit us at u2newzooland.com and go to the forums page. The thread is called "Big brother vs the individual" and is in teh topic 'hearts and minds'. We're working on the name... :wink:
 
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