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Saw this morning on WABC news, a short blurb about Bono battling his San Remo neighbors about fireplace smoke. Seems that smoke from others coops in the building are filtering inot his. Fireplace use has been banned but the neighbors are trying to overturn that. They said "one of his children has asthma" and that is why he had made it an issue.

There wasn't an interview, they showed a short background clip of him from the Gupta interviiew(but just visual, no sound). Anyone have any additional information!??:eyebrow:
 
One would think,with apartments at those prizes ($ 14.5 million), they would be in a prefect state :shifty:

But I agree, I wouldn't want to be fumigated by all those peoples smoke, even if only 40 apartment out of 135 have a chimney
 
Get Our Your Crayons, Children...

Check THIS out:

Among the Rich, a New Dispute Over Air Rights

New York Times, May 16, 2007

Allen Salkin


It's not the war against third world debt, but still.

Bono, the lead singer of U2 and a globetrotting activist for social causes, has become involved in a battle that may be as intractable as loan burdens in the developing world — a Manhattan co-op dispute.

One of his adversaries is a fellow rocker, Billy Squier, best known for 1980s songs like "The Stroke." The two live in the San Remo, a storied building with twin towers that loom over Central Park West. (It is the same building that rejected Madonna in 1985 when she sought to buy an apartment.)

The dispute is over whether hazardous smoke from fireplaces, including Mr. Squier's, is drifting from chimneys into the penthouse duplex where Bono lives with his wife and four children. About a year ago the co-op board banned the use of fireplaces throughout the building, angering fireplace owners, who love a pine-scented blaze in the city as well as their enhanced property values.

As with other co-op disputes, exact details are hard to pin down because these buildings are essentially private clubs run by a board of elected tenants, and anyone who airs grievances in public risks being ostracized in his own hallway, sometimes for generations. The San Remo, at West 74th Street, is home to many prominent New Yorkers, including Steve Martin, Steven Spielberg, the producers Scott Rudin and James L. Nederlander, and the writers Andrew Tobias and Marshall Brickman.

Interviews with more than a dozen residents and with associates of Bono and Mr. Squier present a consistent picture of events in a place where even the most privileged property owners cannot escape the concerns of neighbors.

The dispute started, residents say, when Bono bought his penthouse in the building's north tower in April 2003 from Steve Jobs, a founder of Apple Computer, for around the $14.5 million asking price. Mr. Jobs had spent millions on renovations, including adding a residential floor, said the listing broker, Roger Erickson, now a senior managing director at Sotheby's International Realty. Mr. Jobs never spent a night in the apartment, Mr. Erickson said.

At some point after moving in, Bono (who was born Paul Hewson) and his wife, Ali Hewson, who also own homes in Dublin and the south of France, noticed smoke drifting toward their apartment from chimneys in the roof, according to residents in the building familiar with the situation.

The Hewsons approached the co-op board about the smoke and related chimney problems. "Bono was so nice," said Leni May, whose husband, Peter May, is a member of the board. "He said, ‘Listen, whatever I can do to get these things working, but it's emptying into my apartment and I can't have smoke like that.' " One of the Hewsons' children has asthma, he told the board, Ms. May said. The couple have two daughters, 18 and 15, and two sons, 7 and 5.

Other residents had complained about smoke entering their apartments through faulty flues in the 1930 building. The board banned the use of fireplaces while the problems were studied.

Soon, hackles went up, notably those of Mr. Squier, whose apartment on the third floor includes a fireplace, and Mark Gordon, another resident with a fireplace.

Only about 40 of the building's roughly 135 apartments have fireplaces, said Phyliss Koch, a real estate broker who has lived in the San Remo for 29 years and has been the listing agent in many sales there. Renovations over the years may have caused chimney ventilation problems, she added. Mr. Gordon sent at least one flier through the building seeking to raise awareness about the fireplace issue, residents said.

The fireplace owners' position was that the Hewsons had complained when they saw the smoke coming toward their penthouse, not because they had evidence that harmful pollution was entering their living quarters, said a longtime friend and tour manager of Mr. Squier's.

"It was just assumed that because they could see the exhaust, that would present a problem to their children," the tour manager said, adding that Mr. Squier, whose last hit was "Rock Me Tonight" in 1984, had discussed the issue in detail with him. (Mr. Squier did not respond to messages left with an assistant seeking comment.)

Mr. Gordon declined to comment, beyond saying: "I don't want to see this in the press in any way whatsoever. It could only be more damaging to the situation. The situation is a delicate and private one."

The fireplace complaint is not a case of a prima donna pop star making unreasonable demands, said a representative from Principle Management, the company that manages Bono's band, U2.

"This is not a Bono issue," the representative said. "It's a building issue. It's about health and safety regulations." Neither Bono, who was in Germany this week to press the Group of 8 nations for more African aid, nor his wife would comment, the representative said.

Meanwhile, the news from experts brought in by the San Remo to examine the fireplaces has not been good. "Apparently, the mistakes were made before any of us moved into the San Remo," said Ms. May, who is chairwoman of the Jewish Museum in Manhattan. "It's to the point where we're not to code and we can't fix it. It's not fixable."

Other residents said the problem is that the building chimneys end at a height that is hazardously close to the Hewsons' tower duplex, and that emissions tests have confirmed unsafe levels of smoke. Making the chimneys taller would be expensive and present an eyesore that might run afoul of the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission, the residents said.

One resident, Mitch Miller, the host of the 1960s television program "Sing Along with Mitch," had little sympathy for the log-lighting set. "If people want fireplaces, let them go live in the country," said Mr. Miller, who is 95.

Many residents appear to be choosing to let the most passionate ones fight this battle, and saving their energy for other struggles. Mr. Brickman, a co-writer of the movie "Annie Hall" and of the Broadway hit "Jersey Boys," worked the dispute for comedy. After trying out a few fireplace jokes during a telephone interview, the longtime San Remo resident tinkered with his material and called back. "People who continue to roast meat in their fireplaces," he said, "should be required to move to the East Side," adding, "Other than that I have no position."

The San Remo had its annual shareholders meeting May 8. The fireplace issue was raised, but no resolutions were passed, said building residents who attended.

"People were fighting about other things — pets, this and that," one longtime resident said.

With the fireplace season over, the dispute seems to have quieted, at least until next winter.

"I'm putting all my effort into trying to make sure the Democrats widen our lead in the Congress and win back the White House," said Andrew Tobias, a financial writer and San Remo resident who is also treasurer of the Democratic National Committee. "So the fireplace controversy is not high on my list." He paused. "But if I had a fireplace, it would be high on my list."



Despite the Bono thing, my first question HAS to be: how in the hell does Billy Squier, one of the biggest wastes of sperm and egg since George W. Bush, get to live in the San Remo? From that lousy music he made more than 20 years ago, and those embarrassingly-bad videos that used to haunt the early days of MTV? What a world!

Gives us a good perspective though, that you can afford a multi-million dollar home and still have trouble with neighbors, because people just insist on being morons, whether you're in the San Remo or a trailer.

And the last quote in this article is the key to what is wrong with this entire society, worldwide. "And a little overpriveleged moron shall lead them." No, that can't be right...
 
If they're so rich why don't they just get gas logs installed in their fireplaces?..... :scratch:

We use our fireplace to heat our basement Oct - April. It smells like shit inside and outside of my parent's house 6 months of the year. If we could afford a gas replacement (the gas, not so much the actual fixture), we'd be in heaven.

If it's not up to code, it's not up to code. Simple as that.
 
Bono is so in the right, who wants smoke coming into their place especially when a child has asthma.

The residents with fireplaces should use them when he is not there. He isn't in the city that often, but when he is his child should be a safe from the hazards of asthma.
 
Man I wouldn't want to have smoke in my aparment either. I totally understand Bono.

Come one, the people living there are so rich, I can't believe they can't find a way to fix this crap.

Apart from that, I don't understand why this story has to be blown up so much in the media, it seems like a private issue, and I am sure Bono and Ali wouldn't want the information about their child that they gave to this lady be spread around everywhere.
 
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I agree with the poster about Billy Squire. I saw him playing at a Virgin Megastore on Long Island about 10 years ago--I just happened to be there when he did an in-house performance. It was pathetic. He must have bought Microsoft stock when it was first up for sale or something to afford the San Remo.

I'm sorry to learn one of the kids has asthma. :hug:
 
Liesje said:
If they're so rich why don't they just get gas logs installed in their fireplaces?..... :scratch:
Yeah, why don't they get gas logs? I wonder if the emissions from gas logs are unhealthy.
My mom is allergic to fireplace smoke and soot and didn't want it in her house so they had about 3 sets of gas logs in the house they used to live in, they had 4-5 fireplaces.
They gave us some for Christmas a few years ago and they are nice to be able to have a fire any time, just turn them on, but the gas is expensive so we don't use them a whole lot.
 
Am sorry, but if you can spend $14M on a house...........you get no sympathy from me over such an issue! Why is it any worse than wat some of us face every day? Me and my family suffered much worse than that before.
On the other hand, the noFireplace ruling should be adhered to, so he should pursue it down that avenue....as it pisses me off wen people think they can flout the rules just coz they rich
 
^That's why I think it's not right to blow this issue up in the media. It's a private thing. Even a celebrity like Bono has to handle "trivial" stuff like this. And I hope they can find a solution to this.
And I agree, if there is such an order about the fire places, the people should really follow it.
 
gman said:
Am sorry, but if you can spend $14M on a house...........you get no sympathy from me over such an issue!

I'm thinking that if I spent $14M on a house, I'd be kind of mad if I was having problems with smoke invading my space.
 
Bonochick said:


I'm thinking that if I spent $14M on a house, I'd be kind of mad if I was having problems with smoke invading my space.


Im thinking that if you spent $14M on a house, its a given that yer mad.....smoke or no smoke!!
 
If I did, yes, I'd be mad, since I don't have near that kind of money. But if Bono wants to spend his money on it, so what, he can obviously afford it. :shrug:
 
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Bonochick said:


I'm thinking that if I spent $14M on a house, I'd be kind of mad if I was having problems with smoke invading my space.

:up:
 
gman said:



Im thinking that if you spent $14M on a house, its a given that yer mad.....smoke or no smoke!!

It's not even a house it's a two bedroom apt. The price is outrageous. I won't even go into how much good could be done with that money, or how many fine country estates could be bought with it. If you see you are above the chimney line and don't like it, maybe you should move. I'd feel sorry for a poor person who couldn't afford to move out of a tenament but a star has enough money to choose another residence. Besides he only lives there part time, and you can only burn the fireplace part of the year.

I've had nitpicky neighbors, like ones who didn't like to hear the stereo, so I'd wait until they were gone. Maybe since he's not there very often, Billy can enjoy his fireplace when Bono is back in Ireland. And BTW I have a gas fireplace, and I don't like it. I miss the smell of pine wood, and the sound of it crackling. But the guy who says move to the country has a point too. Maybe they should all move to the country, and not have to worry about any neighbors.

silvrlvr said:
I'm sure this is why Bono has quit smoking, too.

You mean -- he hasn't?

:lmao: Yeah, I was thinking that was a little of the 'h' word there :censored:

Once he's done his complaining he's not going to be accepted very well by most of the other residents so he might as well move on. Next thing you know somebody will be bitching about his cigarette smoke for revenge.
 
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Bono can live where he wants and spends as much money as he wishes (and can afford) to buy a home for him and his family.
He loves New York, why shouldn't he have a home there? It's not only an appartment, but also an office for him, the place where he has meetings, does interviews and works on a lot of stuff. He's right at the center there.
 
Well I am sure that Bono and Ali wouldn't have bought it in the first place if the problem had been obvious.
Apparently, it wasn't.
And it's not Bono bitching here, it's some people deciding not to follow an order, that's crap.
 
U2Kitten said:

:lmao: Yeah, I was thinking that was a little of the 'h' word there :censored:

Once he's done his complaining he's not going to be accepted very well by most of the other residents so he might as well move on. Next thing you know somebody will be bitching about his cigarette smoke for revenge.
Errr.. I'm sure he doesn't smoke around his kids, so he's hardly a hypocrit :eyebrow:

Sounds like he's doing his best to sort this out as cooperatively as possible. I doubt anyone's going to seek revenge over it.
 
U2Kitten said:


If you see you are above the chimney line and don't like it, maybe you should move. I'd feel sorry for a poor person who couldn't afford to move out of a tenament but a star has enough money to choose another residence. Besides he only lives there part time, and you can only burn the fireplace part of the year.

They aren't even supposed to be using their fire places though...not to mention that it said Bono is willing to do what he can to help out, if the parts of this article posted were correct:

FEELINNUMB said:
The dispute is over whether hazardous smoke from fireplaces, including Mr. Squier's, is drifting from chimneys into the penthouse duplex where Bono lives with his wife and four children. About a year ago the co-op board banned the use of fireplaces throughout the building, angering fireplace owners, who love a pine-scented blaze in the city as well as their enhanced property values.

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The Hewsons approached the co-op board about the smoke and related chimney problems. "Bono was so nice," said Leni May, whose husband, Peter May, is a member of the board. "He said, ‘Listen, whatever I can do to get these things working, but it's emptying into my apartment and I can't have smoke like that.' "
 
U2Kitten said:


It's not even a house it's a two bedroom apt. The price is outrageous.

I'm not sure where you got this mis-information, which you have repeated about a bejillion times. The apartment is a penthouse that occupies two full floors of the north tower of the San Remo. I have a book with stories about famous real estate deals in New York, and this particular unit is described in detail. It's huge.
If you were at all familiar with New York real estate prices (and clearly you are not), you would know that for an apartment as large as that and so perfectly located with terrace views of Central Park, $15 million is actually a "bargain" price. Add to that the fact that it is the only residential apartment in the world designed by the renowned architect I.M. Pei, and it's clear that the Hewsons paid a very good price for it.
 
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