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Old 08-31-2004, 12:28 AM   #41
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This is very interesting but lets be nice ya'all
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Thank you drealynn42 for taking the time to expand on your views. I appreciate it.

I dont have a proper dictionary to hand at the moment but dictionary.com defines ethnicity as:

an ethnic quality or affiliation resulting from racial or cultural ties;

I dont believe Jewish people fall into either of those catergories. There may be a tremendous amount of religious ceremonies, traditions, etc shared between the different Jewish people.

But, (Im going to use some insultingly sterotypical views here) sausage and cheese eating Europeans would have little else in common with desert dwelling Middle Easterners. (apologies)

I dont understand how you can group all these different nationalities (various Europeans, Middle Eastern People, people from the USA, and a few odd ones sprinkled over the rest of the planet) together into one single ethnicity.

As for the Athiest bit, that still sounds weird to me. I am an Athiest and I dont align myself with any religion. My family, including my grandparents, are Athiests and still celebrate Christmas - well the giving presents and eating a lot of food bit anyway. But I dont in anyway consider myself Christian - because I dont believe in Gods, therefore no religion for me.

As for Einstein as much as I would love to say one of the brightest people ever was an Athiest, he wasnt. He was a Jew. I have a story somewhere of how he hide one of his theories in his desk for years, didnt want it published because it clashed with his religious views, particularly the God bit. Einstein believed in God.

So, why does Morleigh have dark hair? Probably because shes either genetically Israeli/Middle Eastern or Eastern European.
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oops that took me so long to type while breastfeeding that others have posted in the meantime lol

apologies if my post is no longer applicable.
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Old 08-31-2004, 01:15 AM   #44
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HHMMM... I still think she looks mexican ( I think mexicans are really pretty lol)

Oh just so everybody knows (which, I think it's obvious) I AM a fan of Morleigh, I think she is a fantastic dancer But since their isn't much info I can find on her, I ask all the questions here... if somebody knows any sites about her or anything, I would be GRATEFULL to know them. lol.
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Old 08-31-2004, 08:50 AM   #45
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Ok, arw9797 . Obviously there is nothing I can say that will change your mind. You are absolutely determined to believe that there is not a difference being being a Jew in religion and being Jewish in ethnicity. Here in America, some people do consider themselves to be Jewish in ethnicity. You could very easily look this up and educate yourself about it if you do not find me to be a credible source of information. Again, this comes down to an ignorance about issues concerning ethnicity, race etc. Some dictionaries on the subject are going to be outdated or simply wrong. I actually studied ethnic studies in college, and I am telling you that these things are very complex and interesting. Maybe this is something we only study in America because we are obsessed with this things for political and cultural reasons. But continuing to argue with me about this is simply mean and insensitive to people who identify themselves as part of this group. I suppose you could say there is a Christian or Muslim ethnicity, except that these religions are so completely widespread throughout the world that they contain ethnic groups underneath the general umbrella under different names. Again, the definition of ethnicity is complex and many scholars are still working on defining it. Ethnicity may include a religion if an ethnic group puts a high priority on belonging to that religion. In America, Judaism is such a minority religion that people who practice it have, over time, remained tied culturally and consider themselves culturally distinguished from mainstream Christian America. So we have come to associate the religion with the group of people who happen to practice it. And some of these people who feel they belong to this group have decided to separate themselves from the religious aspects of that group by calling themselves secular Jews. You don't have to like it. But it exists wheter you like it or not. I am only reporting, so quit acting like I am making this up or something.

An example of a Jewish ethnicity that falls under the umbrella of the Jewish faith: Ethiopian Jews. They are of African descent, African in culture. But Jewish by religion. An Ethiopian Jew belongs to a different ethnic group than an American Jew. There is nothing you can do about it. Look it up if you are intersted in learning more about these things, but stop trying to make it all untrue by arguing with little ol' me.

If you guys would follow the link I gave you, you will see that I am not making this up and many many (many many many) people know what I'm talking about and would not sit here and argue about it. Which is why I'm going to walk away and hope that you open your mind a bit on your own.
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Old 08-31-2004, 09:05 AM   #46
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Thank you drealynn42 for taking the time to expand on your views. I appreciate it.


I dont understand how you can group all these different nationalities (various Europeans, Middle Eastern People, people from the USA, and a few odd ones sprinkled over the rest of the planet) together into one single ethnicity.
This must be where the confusion is stemming from. I never said that ALL Jews across the world fall under the same ethnic group. They fall under the same religion, but there are different ethnic groups spread throughout the world. There are Ethiopian Jews, American Jews, etc. People are free to identify with whichever ethnic group they feel tied to. We were talking about American Jews since Morleigh is American. Like someone said earlier in this thread, the American Jewish community is stereotypically made up of Jewish people of Eastern European descent due to immigration catalyzed by the world wars. I assumed Morleigh was a member of the American Jewish community because she is American and Jewish. Yes, it was stereotypical of me to think Steinberg was a Jewish name. But is it then stereopical of me to think McDonald is an Irish name? It could be Scottish, but chances are that Scottish family immigrated out of Ireland like my ancestors did. After hearing enough names, you begin to connect the dots. Someone named Steinberg doesn't have to be Jewish. But since I already KNEW she was Jewish, the name seemed like a given.

And about atheism, I know that most atheists do not like to be affiliated with a religious group. But lately I've realized that most of my friends are still Christian, most of my favorite artists are extremely Christian (U2, Moby, REM, etc), and many people still mistake me as a religious person when they meet me. So I've realized that though I may be atheist, I am still aligned with the ethnic group in which I grew up. People who feel this way sometimes join Unitarian/Universalist churches in order to fulfill both sides of themselves. I actually considered doing this at one point, but I decided I was too lazy to get up on Sunday mornings. Like the Jewish atheists you will read about if you follow the link to the PBS article, some atheists who were formerly Christian choose to continue attending church-like services that are atheist in nature. Again, we're talking about minority groups here. Which is why people on this thread are getting confused by what I'm saying.

Ok, bye people. It was fun! Read up on this stuff, because it's really interesting.
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I think the main thing here is this:

Morleigh makes Edge happy.....
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I've received complaints about this thread, and I also don't feel there is really any need for this conversation to continue. If that upsets anybody...I'm sorry. I'm making an "executive decision" (to use a phrase I like to throw around at work ) to close this thread.
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