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Why it's tough to get a ticket
By Gary Strauss and Anthony DeBarros, USA TODAY
1 hour, 51 minutes ago


How hard is it to get good seats for a hot concert act?

In a year that's shaping up as the largest collective of A-list touring acts since the mid-1990s, demand for tickets is so intense that nabbing a great seat - make that any seat - is nearly impossible by conventional methods.

Months ahead of concert dates, superstar draws such as U2, the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney and Bruce Springsteen are mostly ultra-fast sellouts, underscoring overwhelming demand from a huge fan base of teens to baby boomers.

Combined with the selling efficiency of the Internet and swelling competition from scalpers, "your chances of getting a great seat after a concert goes on sale are almost non-existent," says Arizona State University economist Steve Happel, a concert business expert. "Tickets are gone in a heartbeat."

Because lots of tickets are snapped up by scalpers, marketers, promoters, tour sponsors, bands, fan clubs and sports stadiums, which often give preferential treatment to team season-ticket holders seeking concert seats, ordinary fans are often last in line.

Concert sellouts mostly are a hallmark of older, established male rock artists and country stars such as Toby Keith. Though Madonna, Cher and Janet Jackson have had top-grossing concert tours, most female artists, as well as contemporary, urban and hip-hop performers, generally do better selling CDs than concert seats, says Ray Waddell, senior touring editor for Billboard magazine. "There've been some hot hip-hop tours - 50 Cent and Eminem could be huge this year - but most never equal what they do at retail," he says.

Across most genres, many bands and promoters are still smarting from 2004, when high ticket prices and lackluster fan interest led to several money-losing tours. This year, Clear Channel Communications, a major tour promoter and venue operator, is slashing some prices to lure fans.

Still, dinosaur bands such as the Rolling Stones and Motley Crüe continue to command top dollar: more than $400 for face-value tickets. And die-hard fans are willing to pay several thousand more to an increasingly sophisticated network of scalpers.

"There's a cadre of wealthy fans pushing up prices of popular acts," says Princeton University economist Alan Krueger, who helped coin the term "rockonomics."

Long among rock's top-grossing live acts, the Stones have sold out 32 North American concert dates on sale so far. Four others are near sellouts. The band is adding shows to meet demand and might expand its tour to 50 shows, says veteran tour director Michael Cohl.

All 28 of McCartney's U.S. shows were fast sellouts, as were several shows added to satiate fans.

U2 sold out all 110 North American and European concert dates, most of them within minutes. By the time U2 ends the tour at Portland's Rose Garden Dec. 19, its global windfall will surpass $300 million - the biggest single chunk of this year's $3 billion concert market, says Gary Bongiovanni, editor of industry tracker Pollstar. The Stones and McCartney tours could each reap $100 million, he says.

Where do the tickets go?

Traditionally, most fans got the best concert seats by camping out in front of venues and buying tickets as soon as sales opened. That time-honored technique is proving increasingly frustrating.

Bruce Voelker tried landing four $50 floor tickets for U2's Philadelphia show by having a relative line up hours before the box office opened. Only one ticket, far from the floor, was available when he reached the front of the line. "Everyone's competing for the same concert," says Voelker, 28, a biologist in Baltimore.

Most buyers are funneled through Ticketmaster, which sold nearly 100 million tickets last year to live events and other entertainment through the Internet and a far-flung network of sales outlets and call centers. "When you have the Internet and thousands of outlets, seats sell out virtually instantly," says David Goldberg, Ticketmaster's head of strategy.

Says Waddell: "These days, everyone has cell phones and computers to tap in. There's an intensity that wasn't there five years ago."

With hotter acts, phone and online ticket hunts are often futile. Soon after the electronic sales gates opened for McCartney's Atlanta concert in September, "there were no seats, even in the nosebleed section," says Glenn Hughes, an ad executive in Murray, Ky.

Hughes, 54, managed to buy two $125 tickets to McCartney's Tampa show. With airfare, hotel and incidentals, Hughes and his wife, Patricia, will spend more than $1,000.

McCartney's 58 shows in 2002 pulled in about $125 million, the year's top-grossing act. But he and other big-name artists are doing fewer 2005 shows. Springsteen, who is on a solo acoustic tour, is opting for smaller, more intimate venues, which further drains a limited ticket pool.

Just how many tickets are held out by artists, promoters and venues and never made available to the mass market is closely guarded. Ticketmaster says sales are proprietary. Clear Channel declined comment. Waddell estimates that up to 20% of tickets are held back. "They go to bands, promoters, (venues), sponsors, radio promotions and record labels," he says. "These are generally the best seats."

His estimate may be low. "In some buildings, you might need 2,000 tickets for the fan club, 2,000 for radio stations and the band and 5,000 more" for companies such as American Express that use pre-sales for marketing, Cohl says.

Sports coliseums and stadiums may be ideal for packing in huge concert crowds. But stages, equipment and other limitations cut seating. Scott Stadium in Charlottesville, Va., holds 61,500 fans for University of Virginia football games, but for the Stones' show Oct. 6, there's space for just 51,000.

Moreover, arenas and stadiums owned by professional teams or managers often allow season-ticket holders first crack at concert seats.

Boston's Fenway Park holds 36,298 fans for Red Sox games. Seating is limited to 30,000 for the Stones' August shows. Red Sox season-ticket holders grabbed 12,500 a show after Stones fan club members had their shot; only about half were left for general sale.

The MCI Center in Washington, D.C., holds up to 20,675 fans for Wizards NBA games. Seating at U2's shows Oct. 19 and 20 will be limited to 18,000. Season-ticket holders and U2 fan club members were first in line, leaving 12,000 a show for general sale. Both sold out in 30 minutes. For the Stones' MCI show Oct. 3, just 15,000 seats were available for general sale. They were gone in 20 minutes.

Coldplay: Sold out in 10 minutes

Coldplay sold out two September Madison Square Garden shows in 10 minutes, says band manager Dave Holmes. The Garden can seat 20,000, but seats weren't sold behind the band's stage, reducing the gate to 14,000. Fan club members got 1,400 tickets. "The rule of thumb is the first 15 rows go to the fan club," Holmes says.

Ticket holds for the band, guests, concert promoter and band label Capitol Records - also considered choice seating - left about 10,000 seats for general sale. "We try to take care of our fans, but we still get complaints," Holmes says. Marketers also grab chunks of tickets for pre-sales. American Express won't release specifics but says it had "thousands" of pre-sale tickets for several Stones shows. "There were enough to make it worthwhile for card members," spokeswoman Judy Tenzer says.

Tour sponsors such as Ameriquest, the mortgage company underwriting the Stones' U.S. shows, also get tickets, typically 100 to 500 a show, for promotions, employees and clients. "They're supposed to be good seats," says Ameriquest marketing chief Brian Woods.

There'll be even fewer seats for average fans at the Stones' show Nov. 4 in Anaheim, Calif., near Ameriquest's corporate headquarters. "We've got over 10,000 employees here," Woods says. "How can we sponsor a tour and not allow every employee to see the band?"

Ticketmaster tries to prevent scalpers from edging out fans by limiting purchases and setting up optical barriers to prevent scalpers from using automated computer programs to gobble up blocks of tickets. "We take a lot of measures to ensure everyone has fair access, but it's a constant cat-and-mouse game," Goldberg says.

But security experts say it's not hard for hackers to circumvent anti-scalping security measures. "An intermediate-level programmer can script something relatively easy, and it costs almost nothing to set up a scalping system," says Joe Stewart of security monitor LURHQ.

Moreover, scores of consumers who obtain the pre-sale password code Ticketmaster and band Web sites typically require often put the codes up for sale on their own. Online auctioneer eBay currently lists 270 auctions just for pre-sale concert-ticket access passwords.

Scalpers see pure gold

For years, fans often got choice tickets by joining band fan clubs. But scalping networks also buy fan-club memberships - a cost-effective method for obtaining face-value tickets for resale - a concept U2 didn't grasp until its botched pre-sale fan-club sales effort. U2 offered up to eight tickets to those paying $40 to join its fan club. But a small ticket pool and competition from scalpers overwhelmed supply, prompting U2 to pay back fan-club fees. U2 drummer Larry Mullen weighed in with an apology during the band's acceptance speech at February's Grammy Awards.

"For scalpers, U2 is the Super Bowl," Waddell says.

The Stones charge $100 for "platinum" fan-club membership and a chance for pre-sale concert tickets. Members can preview seating availability online. "If you don't like the seats, you don't have to buy the membership," Cohl says. "We're hoping to match hopes and reality."

Coldplay doesn't charge fans to join its club. About 500 scalpers posing as fan-club members have been blocked from buying tickets so far, but Holmes concedes many use access to resell tickets.

For those whose concert dreams remain unfulfilled, scalpers are an increasing supply source. About 20 states prohibit ticket resales or require broker licenses, but anti-scalping laws, mostly misdemeanor offenses, are lightly enforced.

Up to 30% of hot concert tickets probably are sold by scalpers, fueled largely by growing Internet sales, Happel says.

Scalpers and ticket brokers take in an estimated $1.5 billion a year reselling concert tickets. Once confined to local brokers and shady scalpers hawking tickets outside venues, resellers are well represented on the Internet, which has spawned hundreds of online marketers such as TicketsNow and StubHub.

Two front-row tickets for the Stones' Boston show Aug. 21 are selling for $7,410 on ticketsnow.com. The company also developed "plug-in" software that allows brokers to link to a central selling database. "Business is booming," founder Mike Domek says.

Competitor stubhub.com, another Internet site that serves as a clearinghouse for buyers and sellers, says soaring ticket prices in the secondary market simply reflect supply and demand. "If it's a great seat, that ticket will trade at a price regardless of restrictions and price caps," says StubHub co-founder Jeff Fluhr. StubHub profits by tacking on a 25% surcharge - 15% to sellers and 10% to buyers.

Many resellers are small-time entrepreneurs who might take offense at the term "scalper" because they pick up a handful of extra seats to offset the cost of their own. Annual ticket auctions are growing more than 50% a year at eBay, the electronic storefront for thousands of sellers, spokesman Dean Jutilla says. EBay currently has listings for about 100,000 tickets, 90% for sporting events and concerts.

$4,250 for two U2 tickets

This month, there have been 3,450 eBay listings for U2 tickets. Highest price paid so far: $4,250 for two seats for the show May 21 at Madison Square Garden. EBay has 2,880 listings for McCartney's tour. Highest winning bid: $4,299 for two seats at his Anaheim show. Among the 7,600 eBay listings for Stones tickets, fans have bought three separate pairs for nearly $4,000 apiece.

With fans willing to shell out thousands, scalping becomes tempting for musicians, too. As the drummer for Semisonic - opening act for headliners Matchbox Twenty and Sheryl Crow - Jacob Slichter frequently got free tickets.

"One show we had tickets to were going on eBay for $3,000," says Slichter, author of So You Wanna Be a Rock & Roll Star. "It was tempting to sell, but it seemed sacrilegious."

Most musicians concede there's little to stop scalpers. "Scalping has been around forever," says Jimmy Buffett. Front-row tickets to Buffett's show Sept. 4 at Chicago's Wrigley Field are being offered by online scalpers for $1,560.

"I don't have any answer to it," Buffett says. "I'm doing less dates, and there are fewer tickets, and that's the problem. It's the law of supply and demand. If people didn't want to sit there, it wouldn't be happening."
 
Please, somebody, explain to me how this is inevitable and that there's nothing that can be done, like this article strongly implies.
Tell me what's wrong with my quaint naive notion that it's not "just the law of supply and demand". Isn't there more than that? Supply is being manipulated in such a way as to drive up prices. Is there nothing that can be done about people buying tickets that they don't intend to use, that they indeed intend to resell at profit? Sure, there are the folks, more of them now then there were perhaps, who are able and willing to pay a couple grand to get vip seats. But this whole new huge middleman industry doesn't *just* take advantage of the willing and able few in those examples. They take the tickets hostage and hold them there so that for many people the whole process quickly becomes about watching auctions or waiting to see what the bloody ticket price will be and can they afford to do it and will they actually get a ticket afterall from the ebayer or broker...
this seems to me to be quite a lot more than just scalping, but a new layer of predation by parasites. And it's taking on this scary air of legimitacy that I feel terribly guilty for contributing to by having been desperate enough to buy tix from ticketsnow.
If this 'system' is yielding 1.5 billion bucks a year, then we can surely count on it to be a permanent feature of the concert/event landscape unless something is done.
I just don't buy the "if people didn't want to sit there" argument. Sure, people need to want to sit there, but people also need to be willing to buy tickets that they're not going to use and instead list on ebay or sell to brokers...unless I'm just missing something bigtime...

cheers...
 
I feel it is becoming more and more legitimized. Ticketmaster is considering auctioning tickets...I also feel that strict enforceable laws both in local municipalities and online are the only option, but that won't happen. The only real way to fight back against the concert industry and labels that support it? Get more into indie bands.
 
Because lots of tickets are snapped up by scalpers, marketers, promoters, tour sponsors, bands, fan clubs and sports stadiums, which often give preferential treatment to team season-ticket holders seeking concert seats, ordinary fans are often last in line.

Oh yea - All the fan club members got the good tickets. I forgot about that.

Also, I went to my local ticket agent on the first day of the pre sale. He had been watching all day and NO GA's came up.
 
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1. It's sinful that Ticketmaster can charge what they charge for "convenience" when there is absolutely nothing convenient about Ticketmaster.

2. It's disgusting that Ticketmaster can operate as a monopoly in a country with anti-trust laws.

3. It is even more deplorable that SO MANY tickets get taken by ticket brokers.

They can blame it on "supply and demand" all they want, but surely if people who wanted to go to concerts were actually able to go online/call/go to ticketmaster outlets and get decent tickets, there would be no demand for scalper tickets. It shocks me to see how many tickets these brokers have in their coffers - I can't believe that TMaster isn't aiding them in some way.

I've had to purchase tickets to 3 shows aftermarket and luckily haven't had to pay more than face value, but with all the fake tickets going round, it makes you actually WANT to buy from a ticket broker. :yuck: A sad state of affairs...
 
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I got stuck buying a pair from a broker for $250 each (these were $160 seats) just b/c I would be travelling at the last minute and couldn't really do that "week of the show" thing.

This article fails to mention the deals that Ticketmaster has with certain brokers - and they DO exist. All it says is Ticketmaster has added the word entry to weed out brokers. That is SOME brokers. But I do think some of the big time brokers have deals with Ticketmaster.

The pair I recently bought above face had "N-AGT" written on the tickets. I'm presuming "AGT" means "AGENT". The broker had bought up 20 tickets in the same row - i.e. all the tickets in the row. The purchase date for them was BEFORE the date of the actual on-sale. So its clear that Ticketmaster sold this broker this entire row of tickets before the tickets ever went on sale to the general public.

So I pay this surcharge to the broker for the "difficulty" in obtaining these tickets. Yeah, of course they were difficult to get - they never went on sale to the public in the first place!
 
My ticket stub collection includes 150 or so concert tickets bought from scalpers out front. I was mainly picking up stray singles for face value or less.

There are many peculiarities on some of these - I can read some of the codes, but not all of them.

Many of them are boxseat/season tickets holders(sports) where they resold their tickets. AFAIK, there is an unenforced rule saying 'priviledged' ticket buyers are not allowed to resell their tickets.

u2fp
 
matt_tx00 said:
I got stuck buying a pair from a broker for $250 each (these were $160 seats) just b/c I would be travelling at the last minute and couldn't really do that "week of the show" thing.

This article fails to mention the deals that Ticketmaster has with certain brokers - and they DO exist. All it says is Ticketmaster has added the word entry to weed out brokers. That is SOME brokers. But I do think some of the big time brokers have deals with Ticketmaster.

The pair I recently bought above face had "N-AGT" written on the tickets. I'm presuming "AGT" means "AGENT". The broker had bought up 20 tickets in the same row - i.e. all the tickets in the row. The purchase date for them was BEFORE the date of the actual on-sale. So its clear that Ticketmaster sold this broker this entire row of tickets before the tickets ever went on sale to the general public.

So I pay this surcharge to the broker for the "difficulty" in obtaining these tickets. Yeah, of course they were difficult to get - they never went on sale to the public in the first place!

I knew it :mad: disgraceful, isn't it? :tsk:
 
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