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Old 05-19-2005, 11:39 AM   #41
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omg...I feel I need to vomit now. People are absolutely ignorant. What a vile thread this has become.
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:39 AM   #42
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Okay, let's everyone chill out here. I'm inclined to say that everyone is entitled to an opinion on Bono's involvement with Africa, but it is extremely offensive, not to mention incorrect, to suggest that the only thing that Africa has contributed to the world in the last 100 years is AIDS.

At the same time, as I said, Western involvement in Africa is a complex issue on which a variety of opinions may be held. But let's remember that Africa is a huge and diverse continent, and despite what we may think of Western involvement there, it is clear that a lot of innocent people are suffering needlessly in Africa.

Thank you, carry on.
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:44 AM   #43
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talk about invasion of the PLEBA girls


*ahem* anyway, pax
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To stick to the original topic...


One is one of my favorite all time songs, but I feel it's lost something this tour. The band just seems tired of it I guess. I remember during the Elevation Tour being brought to tears with "One." My 2 shows in Chicago I didn't feel anything like that.

Then again I find the whole "rollercoaster ride" of Elevation really absent with the Vertigo Tour. I have a feeling that if they stuck "One" in an encore with OTTS, Yahweh and 40, the emotion might come out much better.... When it's sort of "stuck" between Streets and Zoo Station, there isn't really any time to get off the high of those faster songs.
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Old 05-19-2005, 12:02 PM   #45
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i do like the way he sings in the end. very passionate i believe.
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Old 05-19-2005, 12:29 PM   #46
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Do you understand what the definition of 'extreme' poverty is or even how your own country plays a part in their situation?
Yeah, like I didn’t see that one coming. Somehow it always boils down to how the Americans are keeping the rest of the world from having clean water and medicine. No matter how much we contribute to charity it never seems to be enough. Hey, remember we don't have national insurance in the US and besides I live in Jersey so half the people I know don't have clean water or medicine. Yes there are poor sick people all over the world and no one should suffer needlessly no argument there and the comments made by a friend where made out of general frustration after getting raped by ticket scalpers, parking, and then seeing $5 shirts selling for $90 because they have a U2 logo on it. Top it all off when some rich guys comes off saying in the middle of a fuckin concert “now we need to help Africa”. Excuse me but we’re fighting our own civil rights battle here in the US and AIDS is still a big part of our community. Believe me I’ve seen suffering and poverty and it’s right outside your door. You don’t have to go half way round the world to find it. Fine, you want to help Africa. Stick a donation box in the arena next to the Amnesty Int. booth or merchandise kiosks and take donations. I’ll be the first one to contribute. But nix the phony canned feel good speeches that offer no solutions.
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No...extreme poverty isn't in America. It's really only in developing countries, which the US isn't considered. Extreme poverty means households cannot meet basic needs for survival--they are chronically hungry, lack safe drinking water and sanitation, cannot afford basic education and basic articles of clothing.

Yes, there is definetly poverty in the United States....not that kind however....unless people in Jersey have to pay for the liberty of taking a crap. Comparing the health system in America to what is going on in Africa is a joke, don't even get me started on that...


"Sticking a donation box" isn't going to really cut it either...you seem to paint with a very broad brush. This ISN'T an issue of charity at all. There is alot of factors behind the reason that a country such as Africa is in the situation it is, inlcuding debts and the fact that it is not afforded the ability to have a fair market etc......and what's more is that is a solvable problem, not just an idealistic pipedream.
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Old 05-19-2005, 12:43 PM   #48
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slimjim, you have some really valid points. yes, were fighting uphill battles here right in america, and we do get bashed left and right for being the source of all the worlds problems.
But we still have to try to help. Not just us, but other countries too.
The problem has to be at least acknowledged and not just swept under the rug.
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omg...I feel I need to vomit now. People are absolutely ignorant. What a vile thread this has become.
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Old 05-19-2005, 12:50 PM   #50
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I think it's the way One is segued...

One after Streets is not really a good combo in my opinion, I think it was better after With Or Without You. It was better...

I'd rather see it like this;

With Or Without You
Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
One
Yahweh
40

It would be a good closer.
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if they closed like that people would be asleep before they even got to 40

they just need to drop one altogether, i know they wont because of the whole one campaign and everything, but they arent doing the song justice on this tour

thats just my opinion though
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Old 05-19-2005, 01:19 PM   #52
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I guess I've never thought One was great live, even during ZooTV. The recorded version really can't be topped. But that's just me.
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Look, I’m not getting into the whole my suffering is bigger than your suffering thing. I know that compared to the rest of the world we got it made. You’ll not get an argument from me there. I just don’t see how a tour of the most developed countries of the world and some nice words is going to change anything let alone some abstract notion like “establishing fair markets”. I’m not blind to the plight in Africa and maybe I’m a freak for thinking maybe some money sent their way might actually help with providing food, safe drinking water, clothing, and education but maybe I’m thinking too small scale. I’m one of those easy marks than rather just talk about helping the homeless actually give them a few bucks so they can get something to eat. Rather than just describe the problems give me some solutions. I Will Follow.
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The "Ugly American" - Exhibit A

Are you for real?
I can’t believe I actually expressed in public what I did earlier but it was early and I wrote what came to mind so I guess that’s what I feel. But I hate that term and other derogatory terms applied at groups. As part of work I travel quite a bit and I’ve felt the stares and heard the snide comments. I’ve sat in coffee shops and cafés and listened to average people seriously put forth theories that Israel or the CIA were behind 09/11 and politely smile while inside my heart was breaking. It’s been almost four years since I lost my friends and I still don’t know why they had to die or understand the hatred behind such a horrible act. I just want to forget about the real world for a couple of hours and enjoy a show like before. When we were all together laughing, singing, and dancing without a care in the world and our lives ahead of us. I hate the war in Iraq. I dread my trips to Europe and feel like a pariah though I think I am a good person. I hate the fact that so many people die everyday because they are poor or due to senseless violence. Bono was right. “It’s a fucked up world”.
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You know I'm really appalled at what this country has come to. The ignorance of some people makes me sick to my stomach. Why don't some of you imagine being in Africa's shoes for one day? I'm sure you will understand then what they are going through. Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? And Africa was the one who was in charge of the whole world and we were in a state of disarray? I can't understand how we can let these people die. They don't deserve it at all. Noone deserves to live in poverty anywhere. </rant>
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