bestfanfromnfld
The Fly
Has anyone spoken to U2 about this? Do they know about how fans are unimpressed? Anyone care to report
Chizip said:people that cant make the commitment should get seats
casual fans inside the ellipse kill the atmosphere in it
400 diehards inside the ellipse going crazy is how it should be [/QUOTE
I love your post number at 7777. I think I'll go buy me a lottery ticket!
bigwali said:The lottery is the fairest way to go and it helps U2 attract more fans.
Originally posted by bigwali Personally, I gave up GA long ago. Too me it's needless agony. I just want to enjoy the music.
Chizip said:people that cant make the commitment should get seats
casual fans inside the ellipse kill the atmosphere in it
400 diehards inside the ellipse going crazy is how it should be
Chizip said:people that cant make the commitment should get seats
casual fans inside the ellipse kill the atmosphere in it
400 diehards inside the ellipse going crazy is how it should be
elevashn_hj said:
Chizip,
I have responded to some of your threads before and I generally like you, but this is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. I am a huge fan, who would do anything within my power to be front and center for a show. However, I am a father of 3, and am the network manager for one of the country's largest cancer research facilities. Therefore, my time is a precious commodity. I had tickets to 5/14 philly. Philly is 5 hours from me. Because of my children and commitments to my family, I could not leave until the morning of the show. So, with your earlier comment, I should not have the oportunity to get up close and personal because I have a life that takes place outside of U2? That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. With that said, I was inside the heart in Pittsburgh durring the Elevation tour. There were 4 people there who had Propaganda's and were discussing several of the online message groups. So by definition they were die-hard fans right? They were the biggest group of bitches and assholes I have ever seen. They were pushing people around to get closer because as they said. "We are the true fans". To me they ruined the atmosphere. Not the casual fans who happened to get lucky and get into the show. I had a great conversation with someone who was oblivious to Propaganda, and to the online groups. But was one of the best people to be around and was truly excited about the show.
Ok, now I will step down from my soap box.
HJ
Chizip said:people that cant make the commitment should get seats
casual fans inside the ellipse kill the atmosphere in it
400 diehards inside the ellipse going crazy is how it should be
bestfanfromnfld said:Ive been hearing reports that the ellipse isnt even full on most nights and then they give out wristbands near the soundbooth?
If only 30-40 people are in the fan line why not let these people in the ellipse? I dont see the problem with that. The rest can have the lottery which to me, is the fairest way. Anyone agree?
elevashn_hj said:
Chizip,
I have responded to some of your threads before and I generally like you, but this is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. I am a huge fan, who would do anything within my power to be front and center for a show. However, I am a father of 3, and am the network manager for one of the country's largest cancer research facilities. Therefore, my time is a precious commodity. I had tickets to 5/14 philly. Philly is 5 hours from me. Because of my children and commitments to my family, I could not leave until the morning of the show. So, with your earlier comment, I should not have the oportunity to get up close and personal because I have a life that takes place outside of U2? That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. With that said, I was inside the heart in Pittsburgh durring the Elevation tour. There were 4 people there who had Propaganda's and were discussing several of the online message groups. So by definition they were die-hard fans right? They were the biggest group of bitches and assholes I have ever seen. They were pushing people around to get closer because as they said. "We are the true fans". To me they ruined the atmosphere. Not the casual fans who happened to get lucky and get into the show. I had a great conversation with someone who was oblivious to Propaganda, and to the online groups. But was one of the best people to be around and was truly excited about the show.
Ok, now I will step down from my soap box.
HJ
mcranston said:
Well what you are saying is fair enough. Your situation seems certainly pressing in terms of available time that you have to allot to a U2 concert, and I do not blame you in the least. However, there are those of us who are as busy, but who do in fact manage to get that one day off to attempt to get as close as they can. And sometimes, these are the people that are underappreciated with this system. While I am not suggesting that you personally could make the time available, I am suggesting there are some who would kill to be in the ellipse and are willing to sacrifice their day to make it happen.
The fact is, there is no entirely fair system. No system will ensure the 400 most-deserving fans get in. However, the first-come-first-serve basis has been used at the majority of concerts for years because it is generally the most fair. Because U2 cannot hand pick the 400 people in the ellipse, the first 400 to line up symbolizes for me a group of 400 who wanted to get in more so than a random group of 400.
It also seems logical to me that if the first-come-first-serve basis is being used, the majority of times the audience will be more enthusiastic, and respectful for their fellow fans who waited in line for the same amount of time as they did; whereas the lottery may have a larger number of 'casual' fans who wouldn't necessarily care about being in the ellipse.
Mike
mcranston said:
Well what you are saying is fair enough. Your situation seems certainly pressing in terms of available time that you have to allot to a U2 concert, and I do not blame you in the least. However, there are those of us who are as busy, but who do in fact manage to get that one day off to attempt to get as close as they can. And sometimes, these are the people that are underappreciated with this system. While I am not suggesting that you personally could make the time available, I am suggesting there are some who would kill to be in the ellipse and are willing to sacrifice their day to make it happen.
The fact is, there is no entirely fair system. No system will ensure the 400 most-deserving fans get in. However, the first-come-first-serve basis has been used at the majority of concerts for years because it is generally the most fair. Because U2 cannot hand pick the 400 people in the ellipse, the first 400 to line up symbolizes for me a group of 400 who wanted to get in more so than a random group of 400.
It also seems logical to me that if the first-come-first-serve basis is being used, the majority of times the audience will be more enthusiastic, and respectful for their fellow fans who waited in line for the same amount of time as they did; whereas the lottery may have a larger number of 'casual' fans who wouldn't necessarily care about being in the ellipse.
Mike
elevashn_hj said:
Chizip,
I have responded to some of your threads before and I generally like you, but this is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. I am a huge fan, who would do anything within my power to be front and center for a show. However, I am a father of 3, and am the network manager for one of the country's largest cancer research facilities. Therefore, my time is a precious commodity. I had tickets to 5/14 philly. Philly is 5 hours from me. Because of my children and commitments to my family, I could not leave until the morning of the show. So, with your earlier comment, I should not have the oportunity to get up close and personal because I have a life that takes place outside of U2? That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. With that said, I was inside the heart in Pittsburgh durring the Elevation tour. There were 4 people there who had Propaganda's and were discussing several of the online message groups. So by definition they were die-hard fans right? They were the biggest group of bitches and assholes I have ever seen. They were pushing people around to get closer because as they said. "We are the true fans". To me they ruined the atmosphere. Not the casual fans who happened to get lucky and get into the show. I had a great conversation with someone who was oblivious to Propaganda, and to the online groups. But was one of the best people to be around and was truly excited about the show.
Ok, now I will step down from my soap box.
HJ
Cath said:Making a pro-ellipse lottery post probably isn’t a good idea for someone like me that is new to this forum, but it seems to me like some people don't seem to be seeing what I think the band is trying to achieve with the ellipse lottery (and my apologies in advance if this post offends anyone b/c that is not my intent!)
I think that anyone who has read interviews with the band recently will agree that it seems to be really important to them to expose their music to as many people as possible and to get new fans into their music. To me it seems like the ellipse policy does just that because it gives some non- diehard fans the chance to experience the music and the show from the ellipse and broaden the band's fan-base. Expanding the band's fan-base is totally a legitimate and important goal so that the band we all love so much continues to be interested in making new music and touring. A lot of the diehard fans here sound like they think the purpose of the ellipse should be to reward them (the diehard fan who is willing to make the most sacrifices for U2 and that meets some sort of definition of what is the best way to be a U2 fan). But its U2's show and if its important to them to expose more people to their music and they think that the ellipse policy contributes to meeting this goal, I say keep it up.
And on a related topic, I definitely love to dance and sing along with the songs at a show, but just because someone else isn't doing the same thing, I don't assume that they aren't a fan, or are less deserving of being able to see the band up close, or that the show is not as good just because there are some people like that around me. People appreciate music in different ways and that person could be as big a fan as I am and just happens to appreciate the music in a different way than I do. Or alternatively, even if they are a new fan and don't know all of the words to every song, after experiencing U2 from inside the ellipse, I bet many of them will become huge U2 fans. Isn't that what U2 is trying to do with their music and with the ellipse policy? Or is it more important that the diehard fans get into the ellipse? Personally, I am all for what keeps U2 happy and motivated to keep making great music, even if that means I have to watch the show from outside of the ellipse. It's not like watching them from outside the ellipse is really all that bad anyway.
Chizip said:Ok there may be about 100 "casual" fans that get into the ellipse each night. Do you really think U2 think its worth alienating their diehard fan base so they can expose their music closer to these 100 "non diehards" inside the ellipse each night? And would being inside the ellipse, compared to being outside, really make that much of a difference into converting a casual fan into a diehard?
If U2 said the lottery was a way for their big fans who have no possible way to lineup to still have a shot to get close, such as my friend elevashn, then yes I could understand that.
If they use it as a tool to recruit new fans, then that is just silly.
welcome to the board
elevashn_hj said:
Mike, you do make good points here. I personally would be in favor of a mix. U2.com members getting in first and lottery for all available spots afterwards. I know in Philly 1 it seemed that the U2.com line was very short while the other line was much longer.
Anyway, good luck in your endevors.
Super_Fan said:I heard that there will be no lottery overseas in Europe.