GA Policy Posted.

[Super_Fan]

They can keep you from staying on private property overnight. It is not a good idea for them for liability reasons. But if a group of people "line" up on the sidewalk or in a public parking lot somewhere near the venue and establish a numbering system of some kind that is actually better for the venue. Because at 9am they can just walk over the established line instead of having a race of people running, pushing, shoving, etc. to get to the front.
If the people have a good attitude with the security and the police they should pretty much let them be. And as someone posted earlier the amount of people their overnight is gonna be minimal ... a few dozen...maybe up to one hundred...there is not gonna be 1,000 people outside...Most people will show up the day of the show...

Thats what I am going to do. Speak to the Event Manager for the Building. Everything will be taken care of once I can get a hold of her. Explaining this will take some time. I have recommendations I can get if I can't convince her. Then she will believe me. The user name speaks for itself!

 

[nuke126]

i will be flying down to san diego for the show and have GA tickets. i haven't reserved a hotel yet because i want to get some feedback here from people that know the area. what is a good hotel near the arena?

 

[Super_Fan]

A lottery system isn't safer, no one gets hurt in GA lines...and as far as the 2-3 day lines the whole discussion here is that there will be no camping out in San Diego, and what will be done in its place given our known restrictions.

A lottery is wildly unpopular, and as of yet there is zero indication that this is what will happen. Let's not make this thread that is about circulating relevant useful information regarding San Diego and future GA line-ups a lottery debate.

That's all been said before.

Lottery will cause a riot. Let me convince the venue. Always the security in the morning will believe the people who are on a list with camping blankets and sheets than someone that smells clean and just arrive at 9:05 a.m. Worst comes to worst if people do not go by the numbering system then they will be left out. Plus there has to be establish moral rules participating in a GA Line. (My God this sounds like Psychology all over again) I see that there is nothing to be worried about and that this Bruce Springsteen GA Line debacle will run its course out. First come first serve no ands ifs or buts. Show up and be responsible thats all and Everyone please get along. Have a Fun time.

 

[Super_Fan]

i will be flying down to san diego for the show and have GA tickets. i haven't reserved a hotel yet because i want to get some feedback here from people that know the area. what is a good hotel near the arena?

Travelodge near the arena . http://www.travelodge.com

 

[nuke126]

travellodge is all booked up

 

[spinninghead77]

Lottery will cause a riot. Let me convince the venue. Always the security in the morning will believe the people who are on a list with camping blankets and sheets than someone that smells clean and just arrive at 9:05 a.m. Worst comes to worst if people do not go by the numbering system then they will be left out. Plus there has to be establish moral rules participating in a GA Line. (My God this sounds like Psychology all over again) I see that there is nothing to be worried about and that this Bruce Springsteen GA Line debacle will run its course out. First come first serve no ands ifs or buts. Show up and be responsible thats all and Everyone please get along. Have a Fun time.

I don't think that security will want to get involved. There is nothing to believe. They told us that the line up doesn't start until 9am. Showing up before then doesn't hold any guarantees.

The venue has made it very clear what the policy is. Show up at 9am and that is when the line starts. I don't really see how a fan policy that starts a line up on the street in a sketchy area of town has any standing.

 

[LuminousTimes]

I don't think that security will want to get involved. There is nothing to believe. They told us that the line up doesn't start until 9am. Showing up before then doesn't hold any guarantees.

The venue has made it very clear what the policy is. Show up at 9am and that is when the line starts. I don't really see how a fan policy that starts a line up on the street in a sketchy area of town has any standing.

Did you participate in any GA lines last tour? If you did you would know that for the most part the security DID accept the line as established by the fans. In Vegas the fans were waiting in a parking lot a full 5 minute walk from the place. The security came over in the morning...told us to line up according to our number and they escorted us over. This was not an isolated case... I had this experience at many different venues. Secondly, again the 9:00am would not be enforceble...You would have to continually kick people off of the premises over and over all morning...It would be stupid...And how do you determine that it is indeed 9:00 am and not 8:58am? And where do people stay as they arrive? In a parking lot waiting to run to the venue when someone blows a whistle? Duh, no...that would cause chaos and people would most likely trip, push, be pushed, etc.

It only makes sense for the security to say "It's 4:00am you can't be on the property until 9:00am, people have already set up a line across the street"...Instead of "It's not 9:00am yet go away until exactly 9:00am and the run to see who gets their first."

 

[LuminousTimes]

I don't think that security will want to get involved. There is nothing to believe. They told us that the line up doesn't start until 9am. Showing up before then doesn't hold any guarantees.

The venue has made it very clear what the policy is. Show up at 9am and that is when the line starts. I don't really see how a fan policy that starts a line up on the street in a sketchy area of town has any standing.

You are more than welcome to come to the venue at exactly 9:00am because if you are right it won't make difference.

 

[spinninghead77]

Did you participate in any GA lines last tour? If you did you would know that for the most part the security DID accept the line as established by the fans. In Vegas the fans were waiting in a parking lot a full 5 minute walk from the place. The security came over in the morning...told us to line up according to our number and they escorted us over. This was not an isolated case... I had this experience at many different venues. Secondly, again the 9:00am would not be enforceble...You would have to continually kick people off of the premises over and over all morning...It would be stupid...And how do you determine that it is indeed 9:00 am and not 8:58am? And where do people stay as they arrive? In a parking lot waiting to run to the venue when someone blows a whistle? Duh, no...that would cause chaos and people would most likely trip, push, be pushed, etc.

It only makes sense for the security to say "It's 4:00am you can't be on the property until 9:00am, people have already set up a line across the street"...Instead of "It's not 9:00am yet go away until exactly 9:00am and the run to see who gets their first."

No. I wasn't lucky enough to do GA last tour.

That sounds good to me though and I am more than willing to wait it out if i know that the venue is going to follow the line.

I was just really worried (and still am) that security won't allow the fan made line and will make us all line up again, behind the people that arrived at 9am.

Especially because it says not to line up until 9am on their site - that sort of tells people (not crazy fans like us, but other people) that they shouldn't show up until 9am.

 

[LuminousTimes]

No. I wasn't lucky enough to do GA last tour.

That sounds good to me though and I am more than willing to wait it out if i know that the venue is going to follow the line.

I was just really worried (and still am) that security won't allow the fan made line and will make us all line up again, behind the people that arrived at 9am.

Especially because it says not to line up until 9am on their site - that sort of tells people (not crazy fans like us, but other people) that they shouldn't show up until 9am.

Spinninghead, will you send me an email so I can talk to you privately. I don't have a premium membership so I can't PM you. Ask Sam B for my email address. Thanks.

 

[spinninghead77]

I emailed you.

 

[-macphisto-]

This happened in Salt lake last tour, nobody was allowed on property of the Delta Center before 9am day of the show. We got there around 5 am the morning of the show and there was about 50 people sleeping on the sidewalk(off the property of the Delta Center) and this was in November so it was pretty cold. But at 9AM eveyone from that line, stayed in line and moved over to the GA line. So I figure that could happen?

 

[drumkeeran]

I have GAs for a fall show. My husband asked me if someone could wait in line for him (offered money too)). I said No. Then my 10 yr. old asked if I could hold him up for the concert like I do at mass on Sundays (stand behind him and poke him to stand up!!) I laughed!! I have a very silly family. Too bad... I don't think any of them will be standing in line with me.

 

[oliveu2cm]

A lottery system isn't safer, no one gets hurt in GA lines...and as far as the 2-3 day lines the whole discussion here is that there will be no camping out in San Diego, and what will be done in its place given our known restrictions.

A lottery is wildly unpopular, and as of yet there is zero indication that this is what will happen. Let's not make this thread that is about circulating relevant useful information regarding San Diego and future GA line-ups a lottery debate.

That's all been said before.

I meant safer in the aspect that SD wouldn't have 100 fans rushing to get first in line at 9am on the dot. I didn't mean to imply GA lines weren't safe.

In the past, people just lined up off site. But yeah it doesn't seem SD police will let that happen.

Most everyone I know are in favor of the idea of the lottery, actually. It worked amazingly well for Springsteen tours, especially after Providence where fans started a line the thursday before the monday show. Craziness like that is what I hope to see adverted. (Another isntance of the craziness are those people who leave shows a few songs early so that they can be first in line for the next night's show. )

 

[ThisIs40]

Lottery will cause a riot.

Agreed. The lottery system usually gets things pretty heated.

Originally posted by Super_Fan Always the security in the morning will believe the people who are on a list with camping blankets and sheets than someone that smells clean and just arrive at 9:05 a.m.

Sounds like this would be true, but the reality is that they rarely take the time to smell anyone and if you're counting on them to "side" with you, it's a big chance to take.

Originally posted by Super_Fan Worst comes to worst if people do not go by the numbering system then they will be left out.

Whose numbering system are you referring to? The "lottery" numbers that you already stated you are against, or some fan-run list like the successful Bruce Springsteen system that you go on to blast?

Originally posted by Super_Fan Plus there has to be establish moral rules participating in a GA Line. (My God this sounds like Psychology all over again)

Yes, and just like a psychology class, that is a purely hypothetical situation. It's rare that "moral rules" have much influence when push comes to shove.

Originally posted by Super_Fan I see that there is nothing to be worried about and that this Bruce Springsteen GA Line debacle will run its course out.

I have no idea what "debacle" you're referring to. Bruce was the first major performer to bring back GA admission to large concerts, after years of it being banned due to tragedies like the Who concert and the Rolling Stones/Hell's Angels riot. Those are the kind of things that I'd call a "debacle." Amazingly, Bruce's fans were able to come up with a system that worked perfectly, time and time again, throughout the nation. I'd hardly call that a "debacle," and certainly hope an identical system becomes popular on this tour.

Originally posted by Super_Fan First come first serve no ands ifs or buts.

That's the way the Bruce model works out, it just doesn't require everyone to act like waiting for a concert is akin to surviving an Everest climb.

Originally posted by Super_Fan Show up and be responsible thats all and Everyone please get along. Have a Fun time. [/B]

Everyone getting along is a lot easier when their nerves aren't shot from standing on a barren sidewalk somewhere for 15 hours straight. I know I'll have fun, and I hope you do to.

--Jim

 

[Super_Fan]

I meant safer in the aspect that SD wouldn't have 100 fans rushing to get first in line at 9am on the dot. I didn't mean to imply GA lines weren't safe.

In the past, people just lined up off site. But yeah it doesn't seem SD police will let that happen.

Most everyone I know are in favor of the idea of the lottery, actually. It worked amazingly well for Springsteen tours, especially after Providence where fans started a line the thursday before the monday show. Craziness like that is what I hope to see adverted. (Another isntance of the craziness are those people who leave shows a few songs early so that they can be first in line for the next night's show. )

No the dude who lined up in Providence was a Wacko, who was there for a week at Dunkin Donuts Center. People started to camp out longer during the Rising Tour, Everything 3 weeks. I started the Philly GA Line at Wachovia which was the first 2 day + GA line on the Rising Tour. I was in Rochester for the last Bruce non GA Line Lottery #11 by the way and I let 9 brave young kids no older than 6 years old in front of me and Ted ( one of the guy's who cause Bruce to implement a GA Line Lottery).and the Lottery is a disadvantage to getting to the front from hearing what happened in Dulutch, GA with the Weenibago. We are not buying tickets like ticketmaster. Its cleanly first come first serve just to attend a concert . It's cleanly better than having seats on the Floor.

I do not see 50 people camping out from a Thursday to a Monday show like you said what happened with Bruce. The Stadium tour and the VFC tour had the GA Lottery.

 

[Super_Fan]

Please do not quote me wrong in that last post I meant hypothletically in that last paragraph.

 

[Celticfc]

Please see San Diego Sports Arena for the following info:

**On the day of the show, all General Admission ticket holders will be directed to the North Entrance only. Once inside the doors, they will be directed to an area where they will receive a tour supplied wristband that will allow them access to the floor. There will be no line ups permitted prior to 9:00 AM on the day of the show. Normal carry in restrictions will apply.**

I spoke with an event manager @ the Sports Arena and she confirmed this is true, but the only info they have. San Diego Police and ACE private security will be patrolling the arena and surround area (private property) to prevent people camping out. She advised me that San Diego has very strict loitering laws and these will be enforced.

http://www.sandiegoarena.com/module...s&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=151&page=1

Im glad they have stated its only one entrance for GA.
Does anyone remember the fiasca the last time in San Diego.
People who had been waiting in line from the early hours didnt get in the heart because they opened another door at the other side of the venue and let them in first.. These people had just showed up.
There was nearly a riot. I remember screaming at a security to let me thru. I wasnt waiting since 4am only for people who had just showed up to get in.
I think a few people got hurt.
I got in the heart but some people didnt.

The sun burn was pretty bad that day too.

 

[-macphisto-]

Re: Re: GA Policy Posted.

Im glad they have stated its only one entrance for GA.
Does anyone remember the fiasca the last time in San Diego.
People who had been waiting in line from the early hours didnt get in the heart because they opened another door at the other side of the venue and let them in first.. These people had just showed up.
There was nearly a riot. I remember screaming at a security to let me thru. I wasnt waiting since 4am only for people who had just showed up to get in.
I think a few people got hurt.
I got in the heart but some people didnt.

The sun burn was pretty bad that day too.

I rememeber that, I was pretty nervous I wasnt going to get in the heart also!

 

[Teta040]

Not to mention with what happened at the infamous Boston show where all the GA people who had been waitng overnight didn't end up at the front b/c of..well, to this day, nobody knows exactly who was responsible for that..band, promoters, the NBC crew filming, or a combo of all three. I wasn't in the GA for that show, but hung out during the afternoon with some folks in the front. It was mostly (I"m ashamed to admit it) a large bunch of Wirelings who had gone to maybe 20 shows already (I know who they are) who sat down in the Heart. They had become their own little extended family by that point. That was the best of the 4 Boston Elevation shows and SO much better than the one that ended up on the DVD, yet b/c of three minutes in the Heart, that rendered the film unusable.

Whatever anybody in the GA does (hear this all you slim bunch who actually got GA's for MSG and NJ in May! DO NOT "protest" to show how few of you there are! Let the super-rich elite who "stole" our spring tix discover the power of the band for themselves. A new convert is a good thing--let's try and make the most of it.

I'll be watching at the Garden with binocs in May. Come Ocotber, I'll be in the GA...

 

[Teta040]

PS...

BRUCE was the first to bring back the GA?!?!

No offense but, what brand of crack are you smoking, ThisIs40? (Must be some other color than Blue.) I love Bruce, I've seen him on both past tours and been a fan for much longer, but...

U2 were the first to bring back the GA in the US. Let's get this straight. I have all the news articles at home from the fall of 2000 when news of the GA first surfaced and there was considerable controversy about this in the media and everyone was SO nervous about what could happen. The rumors were going around thick and fast. I've read article after article in the mainstream media from the spring of 2001 when there were was all this discussion about safety issues in the Heart and how the band had sold promoters on the idea that they had mathematically worked out the approximate number of people the GA could take and how much room allotted to each dancer, no more than 300 people, cubic feet, all this arcane data. I've kept a scrapbook on the band for many years too. I still do.

Somebody on here , one of the Admins, should be able to link to these articles I'm taking about, I'd really like this guy to know the truth.

If that's not enough, read the new coffee table book on the U2 concert history, "U2 Show." IN interview after interview of the band's promoters, road crew, tour managers, etc, from Paul McGuiness to Frank Barselona to Bob Koch, the tour accountant, etc etc, they all posted personal stories on the decade and a half--long struggle they fought with US promoters to bring back "standing". They had wanted to do GA ever since the JT tour.
Darn, I wish I had the book with me, I;d copy out some of the relavant passages.

Bruce, being such a huge fan, probably wanted to do the same, but sorry to say, he appears not to have fought for it the way U2 did, or he would have been first. Or maybe he did, but unfortunately the promoters had some issue with the typical Bruce fan. Which would mystify me. Bruce fans are great people! I'd even say that U2 fans are "wilder"! If Bruce tried to get GA before 2000, what was the promters' problem!?!?

U2 were first with the GA. Read article after article in the mainstream media in 2001. Bruce was the second.

 

[esselte]

I feel better now. What could posiblee go rong?

 

[anitram]

My experience with GA lineups is that security is MORE than willing to pass the buck to whatever militant fan is up front playing Mommy for the day. Sometimes it worked out wonderfully and sometimes the lineup was run by people who deserved to have their tickets rammed up their ass sideways. You never know what you're going to get.

If the lineups are insane on leg 1, expect leg 3 to be considerably worse. This is what happened last time - there wasn't massive sleeping over outside until leg 3 when suddenly you had shows where by 5 AM there were over 200-300 people in line. Insane.

 

[Celticfc]

My experience with GA lineups is that security is MORE than willing to pass the buck to whatever militant fan is up front playing Mommy for the day. Sometimes it worked out wonderfully and sometimes the lineup was run by people who deserved to have their tickets rammed up their ass sideways. You never know what you're going to get.

If the lineups are insane on leg 1, expect leg 3 to be considerably worse. This is what happened last time - there wasn't massive sleeping over outside until leg 3 when suddenly you had shows where by 5 AM there were over 200-300 people in line. Insane.

Yep the 1st leg at San Diego there were about 10 of us ay about 5am. The last leg in LA there were people there at noon the day b4 the show. Complete Madness. At around midnight there was I guess about 20/30

 

[LyricalDrug]

There is no reason to show up before 9 am, people!!!

If anyone here attended the Elevation shows like I did, and lined up for the heart, they remember that getting there by mid-morning is perfectly fine. I saw 5 Elevation shows from inside the heart, and I never got to the arena before 10 am. Plus, it's rumored that "the egg" will be bigger than the heart was, anyway.

So please, no freaking out.

Sheesh!

 

[ThisIs40]

U2 were the first to bring back the GA in the US...Bruce was the second.

I stand corrected. I was thinking only of Cincinnati, where Bruce was the first since The Who to be allowed GA. I also forgot that the 99-00 Reunion Tour did not have GA. Not as a result of crack smoking, just that I've had many more important things fill my mind over the course of the past 5 years.

Nevertheless, I do believe the fan-run GA line system used on The Rising tour was exceptionally convenient and effective, and hope something similar is instituted for this U2 tour. Fortunately, I'm currently only doing GA for one show, so whatever happens won't affect me much over the course of the tour. I am just offering suggestions to encourage discussion in our fan community. Going into it without any plan will lead to a lot of frustration.

 

[U2_Fan_Forever1]

What was the Elevation GA lineup like in Toronto? Were people lined up early in the morning? I'm just curious to know so I have some idea of what to expect this time.

 

[MrBrau1]

Did anyone egg the GA lines at the Elevation shows? Especially the losers who were sleeping out? Seems they deserve an egg on their face.

 

[LyricalDrug]

Did anyone egg the GA lines at the Elevation shows? Especially the losers who were sleeping out? Seems they deserve an egg on their face.

Is this supposed to be funny, or just lame?

Anyway... people did sleep out in a few cities, but it's unnecessary, and overreacting. If you show up by 10 am or so you were definitely guaranteed to get in the heart. A lot of the time, you could show up by 1 pm and still get in, too.

Anything before 10 am is ridiculous.

 

[tawanda]

There is no reason to show up before 9 am, people!!!

If anyone here attended the Elevation shows like I did, and lined up for the heart, they remember that getting there by mid-morning is perfectly fine. I saw 5 Elevation shows from inside the heart, and I never got to the arena before 10 am. Plus, it's rumored that "the egg" will be bigger than the heart was, anyway.

So please, no freaking out.

Sheesh!

I don't agree. In Chicago we got there at 9am and were about 250 and didn't make it in the heart. In Atlanta we got there about 7am and were about 150.