Will U2 ever again reach #1 on the BB Hot 100?

07-18-2005, 12:01 PM

I've just been wondering have U2 got any chance of ever reaching Number 1 again on the Hot 100, and if so what ahs got to be done to achieve this? It would be great to see them reach #1 one more time before the end of their career (Whenever that may be). Aerosmith, achieved their only number 1 to date quite late in their career, so maybe there is still hope.

ybird3k · 07-18-2005, 12:11 PM

if downloads had ben included at the time of Vertigo, that would have almost definately been a #1! so i'd say the first single of their next album (3 years time

) has a fair chance at making it to #1!

Danospano · 07-18-2005, 12:49 PM

I don't think it's likely. I think it's a surprise that "With or Without You" and "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For", went to #1 back in 1987, so anything is possible.

Their style of music has rarely been "commerical" for the time period...so I doubt it's going to happen, but heaven knows they deserve the airplay.

07-18-2005, 02:18 PM

I reckon that even if downloads had been included at the time of vertigo, it still wouldn't have made number 1. I think it would have peaked at around #7 or so and probably would have spent a good few weeks in the top 10.

ybird3k · 07-19-2005, 12:39 AM

but coldplay speed of sound peaked at #8 and its download sales that week were nowhere near vertigos.

doctorwho · 07-19-2005, 04:06 AM

It's possible "Vertigo" might have hit #1, but unfortunately, we'll never know. The song came out mere weeks too early to qualify for Billboard's new method of charting songs.

Of course, this is my biggest grievance against Billboard. They are constantly changing how they chart. That may sound like a good thing and it is - times change and so does the charting method. Decades ago, Billboard would actually track how many plays a song received on jukeboxes to help chart it! Now jukeboxes have no influence, but obviously iTunes does. So I get that. The trouble, though, is then comparing the eras. Is it fair to compare "Vertigo" to "Speed of Sound"? NO!!! Even though the two songs were released just months apart, "Speed of Sound" had the advantage of downloads added to its tally. Being the highly anticipated first single from a hot group, the downloads added up and the song charted in the top 10. The same definitely would have happened to "Vertigo", but Billboard didn't count downloads then. If one just does a quick glance at the charts, it appears that "Speed of Sound" was a far bigger hit - but was it? I would say it wasn't. I'd argue that had the same charting method been used for "Vertigo", we would have seen U2 score another top 10 hit - perhaps top 5 and maybe, just maybe, even #1!

In my mind, Billboard should break apart the eras. Every time they make a change to how they chart, that era should remain distinct from any other era. Comparing eras is always difficult, but when there are clear and obvious changes made between the eras, all the more reason to break them apart. Billboard may argue otherwise, but I'll never be convinced.

Irishteen · 07-19-2005, 06:47 AM

U2 get a number 1 single, unless it is a rap, they have no chance, the singles chart will never give U2 another number 1, unless some form of song to end all songs comes out.

BigMacPhisto · 07-19-2005, 08:19 AM

"Vertigo" was really their only chance thanks to the advertisement.............I'm 100% positive that it would've hit #1 if downloads were being included......"Speed Of Sound" reached #8 with nowhere near as many downloads and relatively NO airplay at the time.........whereas "Vertigo" was seemingly setting download records AND getting massive radio airplay.

ybird3k · 07-19-2005, 08:28 AM

without any doubt, U2 have more of a chance of getting a #1 now with the inclusion of downloads than they've had since the late '80's.

Yahweh · 07-19-2005, 08:30 AM

Nope.

U2 are lucky enough to get a #1 album in the US...its always a battle just to get that it seems. Thats just where music is today....crappy.

If you write good music the less chance you have of getting to #1.

fitz · 07-19-2005, 09:05 AM

Only the first single, released a few months before the album, has a real chance to get #1. So we have to wait for the next album.

rock888nwo · 07-20-2005, 08:55 PM

honestly, who cares...

u2 are great no matter what

lov12113 · 07-20-2005, 09:45 PM

Hold the phone, COBL is now going for adds on Hot AC format (According to R&R). If it can get airplay anywhere near Sometimes....it may yet crack the Hot 100.

Personally, I think it could possibly get alot of airplay on Hot AC....which could lead to adds on CHR/POP.....lets hope!

doctorwho · 07-21-2005, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rock888nwo
honestly, who cares...
u2 are great no matter what

Honestly, this is the wrong forum for that attitude.

This forum was created for the discussion of charts and sales. So to say "who cares?" here is, well, insulting. If this topic isn't for you, then this forum isn't for you.

Nube Gris · 07-21-2005, 08:42 AM

It is very possible if they produce a great first single with heavy promotion as Vertigo got
with the download system, U2 could get another chance

But U2 has to write a GREAT song in order to get the chance
and we all now what U2 is capable of
So.........of course!

BUT the Hot 100 is enfected with hip hop, rap and "the featuring "
featuring, featuring im fucking tired of that featuring.....Billboard is infected with featuring

So another chance could be U2 featuring who?
Eminem, Pussycat dolls, Busta Rhymes, Ciara & Fat Man, Omarion, Ludacris, Missy Elliot, Bobby Valentino, Ciara, Fat Joe, Webbie, Ban B...........?

Its Infected! Billboard Hot 100 is infected

BigMacPhisto · 07-21-2005, 09:06 AM

But U2 FEATURING Paul McCartney managed to get into the charts unlike "ABOY" and "COBL"

beLIEve · 07-21-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lov12113
Hold the phone, COBL is now going for adds on Hot AC format (According to R&R). If it can get airplay anywhere near Sometimes....it may yet crack the Hot 100.

Personally, I think it could possibly get alot of airplay on Hot AC....which could lead to adds on CHR/POP.....lets hope!

Not only that, but COBL is now just outside the Top 50 on Alternative radio, which correlates closely with BB's Modern Rock Chart. From Radio & Records:

Alternative New & Active

Artist Title (Label) Plays Stations Adds

Velvet Revolver Come On, Come In (Wind-up) 234 15 0
U2 City Of Blinding Lights (Interscope) 229 19 0
Nine Inch Nails Only (Interscope) 219 19 12
Finch Bitemarks And Bloodstains (Geffen) 206 18 0
Our Lady Peace Where Are You (Columbia) 172 24 19

There is the outside chance that COBL could chart on both the Modern Rock and Hot AC formats at the same time, which would probably be enough to get the song onto the Hot 100 Airplay chart. The song needs to break out, soon, however.

phanan · 08-02-2005, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigMacPhisto
"Vertigo" was really their only chance thanks to the advertisement.............I'm 100% positive that it would've hit #1 if downloads were being included......"Speed Of Sound" reached #8 with nowhere near as many downloads and relatively NO airplay at the time.........whereas "Vertigo" was seemingly setting download records AND getting massive radio airplay.

This is not true. When Speed Of Sound was first released, it had the largest first week download sales ever, meaning it beat Vertigo. I don't know exact numbers, but it was widely publicized everywhere after it debuted on the Hot 100 at #8.

And in the U.S. anyway, Speed Of Sound was all over the radio when it first came out, just like Vertigo was. I think Vertigo would have made Top Ten at best. But considering that it's been eight years since U2 accomplished that, I think everyone would be ecstatic with that, especially in today's music scene.

As for whether U2 can hit #1 again, it will be difficult. Download sales will certainly help, but that only counts so much to the overall tally. If Speed Of Sound broke all previous download records, as was claimed, and only made it to #8, it would take a lot.

DarkAcrobat · 08-02-2005, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by phanan

This is not true. When Speed Of Sound was first released, it had the largest first week download sales ever, meaning it beat Vertigo. I don't know exact numbers, but it was widely publicized everywhere after it debuted on the Hot 100 at #8.

And in the U.S. anyway, Speed Of Sound was all over the radio when it first came out, just like Vertigo was. I think Vertigo would have made Top Ten at best. But considering that it's been eight years since U2 accomplished that, I think everyone would be ecstatic with that, especially in today's music scene.

As for whether U2 can hit #1 again, it will be difficult. Download sales will certainly help, but that only counts so much to the overall tally. If Speed Of Sound broke all previous download records, as was claimed, and only made it to #8, it would take a lot.

No, Actually, Vertigo had more donwloads than Speed of sound, I don' t know the exact figures, anyone can post the info ?

phanan · 08-02-2005, 06:49 AM

Are you certain? I read somewhere that Vertigo had about 30,000 and Speed Of Sound had 44,000 (both numbers reflect first week sales), although to be quite honest I can't recall where I saw that and if it referred to only the U.S. or the entire world.

EDIT:

After some searching, I have found this article regarding music sales. The last paragraph is specific to Vertigo.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200...icsales11.html

And then this article, from Billboard, states the 44,000 figure for Speed of Sound:

http://www.billboard.com/bb/search/a..._id=1000901122

Am I missing something?

07-18-2005, 12:11 PM	#2
ybird3k War Child Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wales - UK Posts: 705 Local Time: 12:11 AM	if downloads had ben included at the time of Vertigo, that would have almost definately been a #1! so i'd say the first single of their next album (3 years time ) has a fair chance at making it to #1! __________________

07-19-2005, 04:06 AM	#6
doctorwho Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: My TARDIS - currently located in Valparaiso, IN Posts: 6,367 Local Time: 04:11 PM	It's possible "Vertigo" might have hit #1, but unfortunately, we'll never know. The song came out mere weeks too early to qualify for Billboard's new method of charting songs. Of course, this is my biggest grievance against Billboard. They are constantly changing how they chart. That may sound like a good thing and it is - times change and so does the charting method. Decades ago, Billboard would actually track how many plays a song received on jukeboxes to help chart it! Now jukeboxes have no influence, but obviously iTunes does. So I get that. The trouble, though, is then comparing the eras. Is it fair to compare "Vertigo" to "Speed of Sound"? NO!!! Even though the two songs were released just months apart, "Speed of Sound" had the advantage of downloads added to its tally. Being the highly anticipated first single from a hot group, the downloads added up and the song charted in the top 10. The same definitely would have happened to "Vertigo", but Billboard didn't count downloads then. If one just does a quick glance at the charts, it appears that "Speed of Sound" was a far bigger hit - but was it? I would say it wasn't. I'd argue that had the same charting method been used for "Vertigo", we would have seen U2 score another top 10 hit - perhaps top 5 and maybe, just maybe, even #1! In my mind, Billboard should break apart the eras. Every time they make a change to how they chart, that era should remain distinct from any other era. Comparing eras is always difficult, but when there are clear and obvious changes made between the eras, all the more reason to break them apart. Billboard may argue otherwise, but I'll never be convinced. __________________ *I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.*

08-02-2005, 06:49 AM	#20
phanan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in the darkness on the edge of town Posts: 26,311 Local Time: 08:11 PM	Are you certain? I read somewhere that Vertigo had about 30,000 and Speed Of Sound had 44,000 (both numbers reflect first week sales), although to be quite honest I can't recall where I saw that and if it referred to only the U.S. or the entire world. EDIT: After some searching, I have found this article regarding music sales. The last paragraph is specific to Vertigo. http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200...icsales11.html And then this article, from Billboard, states the 44,000 figure for Speed of Sound: http://www.billboard.com/bb/search/a..._id=1000901122 Am I missing something? __________________

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07-18-2005, 12:01 PM	#1
04072511 Guest Posts: n/a Local Time: 12:11 AM	Will U2 ever again reach #1 on the BB Hot 100? I've just been wondering have U2 got any chance of ever reaching Number 1 again on the Hot 100, and if so what ahs got to be done to achieve this? It would be great to see them reach #1 one more time before the end of their career (Whenever that may be). Aerosmith, achieved their only number 1 to date quite late in their career, so maybe there is still hope.

07-18-2005, 12:49 PM	#3
Danospano Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,415 Local Time: 07:11 PM	I don't think it's likely. I think it's a surprise that "With or Without You" and "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For", went to #1 back in 1987, so anything is possible. Their style of music has rarely been "commerical" for the time period...so I doubt it's going to happen, but heaven knows they deserve the airplay.

07-18-2005, 02:18 PM	#4
04072511 Guest Posts: n/a Local Time: 12:11 AM	I reckon that even if downloads had been included at the time of vertigo, it still wouldn't have made number 1. I think it would have peaked at around #7 or so and probably would have spent a good few weeks in the top 10.

07-19-2005, 12:39 AM	#5
ybird3k War Child Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wales - UK Posts: 705 Local Time: 12:11 AM	but coldplay speed of sound peaked at #8 and its download sales that week were nowhere near vertigos.

07-19-2005, 06:47 AM	#7
Irishteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 29,624 Local Time: 01:11 AM	U2 get a number 1 single, unless it is a rap, they have no chance, the singles chart will never give U2 another number 1, unless some form of song to end all songs comes out.

07-19-2005, 08:19 AM	#8
BigMacPhisto Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 6,351 Local Time: 07:11 PM	"Vertigo" was really their only chance thanks to the advertisement.............I'm 100% positive that it would've hit #1 if downloads were being included......"Speed Of Sound" reached #8 with nowhere near as many downloads and relatively NO airplay at the time.........whereas "Vertigo" was seemingly setting download records AND getting massive radio airplay.

07-19-2005, 08:28 AM	#9
ybird3k War Child Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wales - UK Posts: 705 Local Time: 12:11 AM	without any doubt, U2 have more of a chance of getting a #1 now with the inclusion of downloads than they've had since the late '80's.

07-19-2005, 08:30 AM	#10
Yahweh Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 3,478 Local Time: 12:11 AM	Nope. U2 are lucky enough to get a #1 album in the US...its always a battle just to get that it seems. Thats just where music is today....crappy. If you write good music the less chance you have of getting to #1.

07-19-2005, 09:05 AM	#11
fitz Acrobat Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Munich / Germany Posts: 402 Local Time: 02:11 AM	Only the first single, released a few months before the album, has a real chance to get #1. So we have to wait for the next album.

07-20-2005, 08:55 PM	#12
rock888nwo War Child Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 781 Local Time: 07:11 PM	honestly, who cares... u2 are great no matter what

07-20-2005, 09:45 PM	#13
lov12113 The Fly Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: West Coast USA Posts: 222 Local Time: 07:11 PM	Hold the phone, COBL is now going for adds on Hot AC format (According to R&R). If it can get airplay anywhere near Sometimes....it may yet crack the Hot 100. Personally, I think it could possibly get alot of airplay on Hot AC....which could lead to adds on CHR/POP.....lets hope!

07-21-2005, 08:42 AM	#15
Nube Gris War Child Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lima Peru Posts: 759 Local Time: 12:11 AM	It is very possible if they produce a great first single with heavy promotion as Vertigo got with the download system, U2 could get another chance But U2 has to write a GREAT song in order to get the chance and we all now what U2 is capable of So.........of course! BUT the Hot 100 is enfected with hip hop, rap and "the featuring " featuring, featuring im fucking tired of that featuring.....Billboard is infected with featuring So another chance could be U2 featuring who? Eminem, Pussycat dolls, Busta Rhymes, Ciara & Fat Man, Omarion, Ludacris, Missy Elliot, Bobby Valentino, Ciara, Fat Joe, Webbie, Ban B...........? Its Infected! Billboard Hot 100 is infected

07-21-2005, 09:06 AM	#16
BigMacPhisto Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 6,351 Local Time: 07:11 PM	But U2 FEATURING Paul McCartney managed to get into the charts unlike "ABOY" and "COBL"